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#3372307 - 05/15/14 09:52 AM liqui moly mos2 additive?
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Registered: 10/08/13
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Has anyone used this recently with a standard grade oil like Super Tech 5w20? The ST voa shows that it doesn't contain any moly as a form of anti wear. Would something like this help 'boost' the additive pack of the ST so that I could get a better performing oil? Or is this stuff snake oil like a lot of other additives?

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#3372342 - 05/15/14 10:32 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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Mos2 does indeed work. Mos2 is NOT snake oil. Yes use half the bottle on your OCI. It takes 500-1000 (around 750-800) miles before it bonds to the internal part of your motor.

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#3372372 - 05/15/14 10:56 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 285south]
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Registered: 10/17/13
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Originally Posted By: 285south
Mos2 does indeed work. Mos2 is NOT snake oil. Yes use half the bottle on your OCI. It takes 500-1000 (around 750-800) miles before it bonds to the internal part of your motor.


Wish we actually knew it worked! No real independent engineering tests to verify all the claims over the years. Only guesses.
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#3372423 - 05/15/14 11:44 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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Registered: 05/17/09
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I didn't like it with EDGE gold bottle W/TI, BUT IT SEEMED FINE WITH Synpower (that has no moly).
I would CAUTION to only put in a TBS at a time - no need for the whole batch. Just replenish as needed. 1 TBS is a TON of additive.
You could thin a 1/2 bottle into a litre of oil and mix it up and put in a cup of THAT. I would NOT toss in a 1/2 bottle on a small engine. This experiment Really screwed up my Fit that was running well on the Edge b4 I put this stuff in. Again, the VSP 0w20 im currently running likes the LiquiMoly.

And I will add my std reply, that no modern oils used a colloidal MoS2( suspended nano poweder) - they are all "soluble" sulfur carbamates moly Amines or the like _ FOR GOOD Reason.
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#3372534 - 05/15/14 01:52 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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I'm currently running a full bottle (300 ml per Liqui-Moly instructions for my sump capacity) and will decrease to 150 ml maintenance doses for subsequent changes.

Now that it has been in the car ~7k miles it is running smooth as silk and I've seen about a 1 mpg increase in my Fuelly averages.

Definitely not snake oil. Use it as recommended with confidence.
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#3372626 - 05/15/14 03:54 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: FetchFar]
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Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: 285south
Mos2 does indeed work. Mos2 is NOT snake oil. Yes use half the bottle on your OCI. It takes 500-1000 (around 750-800) miles before it bonds to the internal part of your motor.


Wish we actually knew it worked! No real independent engineering tests to verify all the claims over the years. Only guesses.


Fetch:

Do you mean independent studies of a particular MoS2 product, such as Liqui-Moly MoS2 Anti Friction? Or do you mean independent studies of the principal ingredient molybdenum disulfide? If the latter, there are plenty of studies. MoS2 is the most common industrial lubricant in use today.

If you mean independent studies of a particular branded MoS2 product, then, no, probably none. But there are no independent studies of most proprietary products, such as Techron. That doesn't mean the products don't work or even work as claimed. It does mean that manufacturers tend to keep the research results and product details confidential.
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#3372966 - 05/16/14 12:06 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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Just changed oil in the E430 tonight, a total 8 quarts: 5 quarts M1 AFE 0W20, 2 quarts M1 0W40, 1 quart M1 5W20 HM plus half bottle Liqui Moly MoS2.

I used to add 1/2 ounces VSOT per quart, I'm running out VSOT.
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#3372992 - 05/16/14 04:51 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Just changed oil in the E430 tonight, a total 8 quarts: 5 quarts M1 AFE 0W20, 2 quarts M1 0W40, 1 quart M1 5W20 HM plus half bottle Liqui Moly MoS2.

I used to add 1/2 ounces VSOT per quart, I'm running out VSOT.


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#3373003 - 05/16/14 05:48 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: HTSS_TR]
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Just changed oil in the E430 tonight, a total 8 quarts: 5 quarts M1 AFE 0W20, 2 quarts M1 0W40, 1 quart M1 5W20 HM plus half bottle Liqui Moly MoS2.

I used to add 1/2 ounces VSOT per quart, I'm running out VSOT.


Oh yes, VSOT I still have about 15 bottles of it. I cleaned out Auto Barn's supply when they discontinued it.
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#3373113 - 05/16/14 09:01 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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I sorry you guys cant find a good oil where you don't need additives smile
Note that oil formulated with high PPM moly usually wont pass either TEOST. 0w20 gets an ILSAC "waiver" as its not used in turbo apps (yet).
I may forgo using PU 5w20 in the Fit and run another OCI with VSP as this oil seems like the real deal in 0w20's over M1 and QSUD run in the past. Clean running stuff that allows the engine to make advertised HP.
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#3373328 - 05/16/14 01:57 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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Registered: 07/22/05
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When it comes to engine longevity, ARCO is our resident expert. He knows his engines like nobody else around here. He certainly knows how to make engine last for 20,000 miles at a pop!

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#3373357 - 05/16/14 02:55 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: Vikas]
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
When it comes to engine longevity, ARCO is our resident expert. He knows his engines like nobody else around here. He certainly knows how to make engine last for 20,000 miles at a pop!


LOL I thought he got them to last a little longer than that.
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#3373371 - 05/16/14 03:16 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: dave5358]
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Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 831
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: 285south
Mos2 does indeed work. Mos2 is NOT snake oil. Yes use half the bottle on your OCI. It takes 500-1000 (around 750-800) miles before it bonds to the internal part of your motor.


Wish we actually knew it worked! No real independent engineering tests to verify all the claims over the years. Only guesses.


Fetch:

Do you mean independent studies of a particular MoS2 product, such as Liqui-Moly MoS2 Anti Friction? Or do you mean independent studies of the principal ingredient molybdenum disulfide? If the latter, there are plenty of studies. MoS2 is the most common industrial lubricant in use today.

If you mean independent studies of a particular branded MoS2 product, then, no, probably none. But there are no independent studies of most proprietary products, such as Techron. That doesn't mean the products don't work or even work as claimed. It does mean that manufacturers tend to keep the research results and product details confidential.


Since we are only talking about putting extra moly in engines, I was wondering if there are any actual field studies, one small fleet getting Mobil1 5w-30, compared to another small fleet with the same oil plus a can of LubroMoly MOS2. Any benefits, specifically in wear?

And what would LubroMoly have to be afraid of? The results probably. Yes I know moly is used to coat upper piston rings in many engines, and that moly in general is good stuff. For example, I do use Mazda Genuine Motor Oil (MGMO) because it does have 600 ppm dinuclear (aka dimer) moly, and I'm assuming they are doing something special, as they claim on the bottle that the extra moly helps when running cold. Its just my assumption that more moly is "good". No proof. Fleet study might help here. The companies can run and hide I guess....
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#3373639 - 05/16/14 08:21 PM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: dave5358]
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Registered: 03/25/14
Posts: 400
Loc: Nevada
Originally Posted By: dave5358
But there are no independent studies of most proprietary products, such as Techron. That doesn't mean the products don't work or even work as claimed. It does mean that manufacturers tend to keep the research results and product details confidential.


This is a misrepresentation.

The SAE requires technical papers to be peer reviewed by experts. So the available technical paper including research and testing results on Techron can be relied on.

But even more importantly, Techron has multiple VEHICLE manufacturer approval. This is clearly independent of the oil company and means Mercedes, BMW etc would have to stand behind any damage caused by the usage of an approved additive for unlimited mileage in the case of Mercedes CPO vehicles and 10 years for Hyundai vehicles.

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#3373802 - 05/17/14 12:42 AM Re: liqui moly mos2 additive? [Re: 2012AccentSE]
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Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 689
Loc: Portland, Oregon
I've been using Liqui moly for years. It will upgrade a weak add'v pack oil and you need only browse the UOA/VOA's to find there are plenty of oils that seem a bit weak in additive formula.

I consider half a bottle a full dose, and 1/4 or 1/5 a bottle as maintenance or add'v package upgrade.

Here's my current blend:
1.0 qts 10w40; Kendall Semi-Synth + 1.6 qts 5w30; Wally World Full Synth
+ 1.6 qts 10w30; store brand (O'reilly) High Mileage (conv?)
plus, additives: half a bottle of Lubro moly, and 1 to 2 oz of TB Zinc.
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