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#3370404 - 05/13/14 12:07 PM BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40
SilverC6 Offline


Registered: 10/03/08
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I'm getting tired of following BMW's flip flops and coded messages on motor oil.

My owner's manual says LL-01 0W-30 or 0W-40 and that 5W-30 and 5W-40 are satisfactory also.

The oil cap says "BMW recommends Castrol" but their version of Castrol is 5W-30 and comes in a BMW bottle.

And no LL-01 5W-30 Castrol is out there at "normal" retail.

Now with SOPUS being BMW's new vendor of choice, I'm sure Shell Helix or a Euro PUP is going to find its way into the BMW bottle.

An LL-01 5W-30 Euro PUP is probably 3 years out in SOPUS's retail planning horizon.

I'm thinking I'll let the dealer install BMW's oil of choice on the prepaid 10,000 mile maintenance intervals.

But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.
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#3370408 - 05/13/14 12:09 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Originally Posted By: SilverC6
But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.

That'll be just fine. Castrol 0w-40 is your other readily available and low priced option.
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#3370411 - 05/13/14 12:13 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Quattro Pete]
SilverC6 Offline


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Loc: Southeast
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.

That'll be just fine. Castrol 0w-40 is your other readily available and low priced option.


I haven't really forgiven BP for the Florida Panhandle yet.

This is as good excuse as any to break ranks with the BMW/Castrol mantra.
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#3370421 - 05/13/14 12:24 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Quattro Pete Offline


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LOL! OK.

Also, amazon still sells PU 5w-40 for about $36/case with subscribe&save and free shipping. Alas, that's still more expensive than M1 at walmart.
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#3370426 - 05/13/14 12:30 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 1303
Loc: Detroit Metro
Good for you! Too many short memories in this declining country. M1 0W-40 is an excellent choice for your application and climate.

Originally Posted By: SilverC6
I haven't really forgiven BP for the Florida Panhandle yet.

This is as good excuse as any to break ranks with the BMW/Castrol mantra.

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#3370438 - 05/13/14 12:39 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
FetchFar Offline


Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 831
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
...My owner's manual says LL-01 0W-30 or 0W-40 and that 5W-30 and 5W-40 are satisfactory also.

The oil cap says "BMW recommends Castrol" but their version of Castrol is 5W-30 and comes in a BMW bottle.

And no LL-01 5W-30 Castrol is out there at "normal" retail.

...

But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.


German-Belgian Castrol 0w-30 is easily available at Autozones, a slightly thinner alternative to the good M1 0w-40, why not use that? Actually I think you could also use the Castrol Edge Extended gold jugs at walmart, 5w-30, a very good synthetic itself.


Edited by FetchFar (05/13/14 12:40 PM)
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#3370456 - 05/13/14 12:54 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: FetchFar]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 1303
Loc: Detroit Metro
He already said why he didn't want to use Castrol and I applaud him for his stance. M1 0W-40 is a better oil and is really nothing more than a heavy 30-grade anyway.


Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
...My owner's manual says LL-01 0W-30 or 0W-40 and that 5W-30 and 5W-40 are satisfactory also.

The oil cap says "BMW recommends Castrol" but their version of Castrol is 5W-30 and comes in a BMW bottle.

And no LL-01 5W-30 Castrol is out there at "normal" retail.

...

But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.


German-Belgian Castrol 0w-30 is easily available at Autozones, a slightly thinner alternative to the good M1 0w-40, why not use that? Actually I think you could also use the Castrol Edge Extended gold jugs at walmart, 5w-30, a very good synthetic itself.

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#3370461 - 05/13/14 12:58 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Quattro Pete]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.

That'll be just fine. Castrol 0w-40 is your other readily available and low priced option.


Win.
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#3370483 - 05/13/14 01:31 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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Why not just stick with dealer 5w30 for your intermediate changes? You may also avoid consumption issues due to flipping back and forth.

I'm assuming your vehicle is NOT on the new 10k/yr OCI?


Edited by BMWTurboDzl (05/13/14 01:37 PM)
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#3370508 - 05/13/14 01:59 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Oil Changer]
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Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Good for you! Too many short memories in this declining country. M1 0W-40 is an excellent choice for your application and climate.

Originally Posted By: SilverC6
I haven't really forgiven BP for the Florida Panhandle yet.

This is as good excuse as any to break ranks with the BMW/Castrol mantra.


LOL I guess you're just going to give a pass to XOM for the whole Valdez thing in Alaska then?
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#3370521 - 05/13/14 02:16 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: threeputtpar]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 1303
Loc: Detroit Metro
No, but they're not BRITISH Petroliam either. And I buy Dawn dish soap exclusively.

Originally Posted By: threeputtpar

LOL I guess you're just going to give a pass to XOM for the whole Valdez thing in Alaska then?

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#3370524 - 05/13/14 02:19 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Oil Changer]
kschachn Offline


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Posts: 2312
Loc: Upper Midwest
They're not "British Petroliam" either.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
No, but they're not BRITISH Petroliam either. And I buy Dawn dish soap exclusively.

Originally Posted By: threeputtpar

LOL I guess you're just going to give a pass to XOM for the whole Valdez thing in Alaska then?
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#3370529 - 05/13/14 02:26 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Miller88 Offline


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I do like Dawn dish soap. That has saved my white carpet so many times! It's not a good idea to rebuild driveshafts on your white carpet ....
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#3370582 - 05/13/14 03:27 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: kschachn]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 1303
Loc: Detroit Metro
Sorry, spelling nazi. Didn't think this thread was so serious. Petroleum. Happy?

Originally Posted By: kschachn
They're not "British Petroliam" either.

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
No, but they're not BRITISH Petroliam either. And I buy Dawn dish soap exclusively.

Originally Posted By: threeputtpar

LOL I guess you're just going to give a pass to XOM for the whole Valdez thing in Alaska then?

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#3370599 - 05/13/14 03:38 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Oil Changer]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 6985
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
He already said why he didn't want to use Castrol and I applaud him for his stance. M1 0W-40 is a better oil and is really nothing more than a heavy 30-grade anyway.


Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
...My owner's manual says LL-01 0W-30 or 0W-40 and that 5W-30 and 5W-40 are satisfactory also.

The oil cap says "BMW recommends Castrol" but their version of Castrol is 5W-30 and comes in a BMW bottle.

And no LL-01 5W-30 Castrol is out there at "normal" retail.

...

But when I do my intermediate changes, I'm going to use M1 0W-40.


German-Belgian Castrol 0w-30 is easily available at Autozones, a slightly thinner alternative to the good M1 0w-40, why not use that? Actually I think you could also use the Castrol Edge Extended gold jugs at walmart, 5w-30, a very good synthetic itself.



Better?

I'd like to believe so however look at the bottle for the Porsche spec and if it meets it then Porsche feels all oils certified to meet their spec are equal,no matter the brand.
So if that's how Porsche feels who are we to say which is better.
I certainly like the M1 more than Castrol,even though I'm using the Belgian version in my charger right now.
I'm still buying based on price. I wish I could pay American Walmart prices,sometimes I do thanks to Rikstaker. But that's not always the case.
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#3370616 - 05/13/14 03:54 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: kschachn]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 24675
Loc: Illinoistan
Originally Posted By: kschachn
They're not "British Petroliam" either.

Maybe he was referring to Liam Geddes, the BP Intervention and Abandonment Consultant. smile
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#3370642 - 05/13/14 04:18 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Voltmaster Offline


Registered: 10/08/12
Posts: 792
Loc: California
Use anything high quality that matches anythign on manual...

Synthetic SN rated will be amazing regardless, dont make it complicated on yourself.

If you care about warranty stuff, just buy german castrol or mobil1
that matches any of the 4 numbers you mentioned.

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#3370657 - 05/13/14 04:33 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
Rand Offline


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but how "synthetic" is a store brand syn vs a name brand "conventional"

ie napa 5w20 syn vs PYB 5w20
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#3370687 - 05/13/14 05:09 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: threeputtpar]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 2805
Loc: Northeastern MT
Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Good for you! Too many short memories in this declining country. M1 0W-40 is an excellent choice for your application and climate.

Originally Posted By: SilverC6
I haven't really forgiven BP for the Florida Panhandle yet.

This is as good excuse as any to break ranks with the BMW/Castrol mantra.


LOL I guess you're just going to give a pass to XOM for the whole Valdez thing in Alaska then?


I am not a fan of XOM, but in all fairness the Valdez was the result of one man.'s irresponsibility. BP's spill was part of a corporate cost cutting measure which intentionally ignored corrective action and safety regulations. So SilverC6 is right.
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#3371040 - 05/13/14 10:32 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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I own a condo on the Gulf so I got to see the BP impact in real time.

But don't think I'm a raging tree-hugger or anything.

I might feel the same way about XOM if I owned a place in Alaska.
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#3372770 - 05/15/14 07:26 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: BMWTurboDzl]
SilverC6 Offline


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Loc: Southeast
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Why not just stick with dealer 5w30 for your intermediate changes? You may also avoid consumption issues due to flipping back and forth.

I'm assuming your vehicle is NOT on the new 10k/yr OCI?


My vehicle is in the 10k/yr OCI category.

Is there a comsumption issue with M1 0W-40 vs. Castrol 0W-40?
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#3372852 - 05/15/14 09:21 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Why not just stick with dealer 5w30 for your intermediate changes? You may also avoid consumption issues due to flipping back and forth.

I'm assuming your vehicle is NOT on the new 10k/yr OCI?


My vehicle is in the 10k/yr OCI category.

Is there a comsumption issue with M1 0W-40 vs. Castrol 0W-40?


I don't know about the Castrol, but the M1 0w-40 is the lowest in terms of consumption in my M5. 1L/10,000Km.
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#3373157 - 05/16/14 10:07 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
BMWTurboDzl Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 1181
Loc: Atlanta,GA
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Why not just stick with dealer 5w30 for your intermediate changes? You may also avoid consumption issues due to flipping back and forth.

I'm assuming your vehicle is NOT on the new 10k/yr OCI?


My vehicle is in the 10k/yr OCI category.

Is there a comsumption issue with M1 0W-40 vs. Castrol 0W-40?


Some people get consumption when they constantly change brands. For example my old 330 would consume some oil when I switched oil on my between dealer changes but my 335d does not. The dealer oil is inexpensive as well. You'll also get a chance to build rapport with the Service Dept.


Edited by BMWTurboDzl (05/16/14 10:12 AM)
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#3373167 - 05/16/14 10:31 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: BMWTurboDzl]
FetchFar Offline


Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 831
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
...dealer changes but my 335d does not. The dealer oil is inexpensive as well. You'll also get a chance to build rapport with the Service Dept.


Dealer oil inexpensive? I've never seen any dealer, especially BMW ones, to offer oil cheap per quart. Official BMW bottles cost $11 each at dealer ("stealer") and Mobil1 0w-40 is $7 per quart at Walmart.
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#3373220 - 05/16/14 11:35 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: FetchFar]
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Registered: 04/15/10
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Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
...dealer changes but my 335d does not. The dealer oil is inexpensive as well. You'll also get a chance to build rapport with the Service Dept.


Dealer oil inexpensive? I've never seen any dealer, especially BMW ones, to offer oil cheap per quart. Official BMW bottles cost $11 each at dealer ("stealer") and Mobil1 0w-40 is $7 per quart at Walmart.
LOL...my Walmart doesn't carry M1 0w40.

Dealer oil is $8.95 in my neck of the woods.
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#3373233 - 05/16/14 11:53 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: BMWTurboDzl]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 24675
Loc: Illinoistan
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
my Walmart doesn't carry M1 0w40.

You can order online with free ship-to-store. $25/5qt jug.

But M1 0w-40 does not meet LL-04 spec, so that's not something for a 335d anyway.
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#3373241 - 05/16/14 11:58 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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Posts: 1088
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I know my parts guy already.

The dealership's approach is multiply the price of anything you buy from parts X 2.

$21 BMW OEM oil filter on line = $42 BMW OEM oil filter at the dealership

So I'm sure the $7.25 quart of genuine BMW 5W-30 would be $14.50 there.

Parts and service continue to be profit centers no matter what brand vehicle you are driving.

The dealer is a few miles down the road anyway.

I'm going to stick with the oil offerings at Wallyworld or Advanced Auto/Autozone/O'Reilly.
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#3373390 - 05/16/14 03:35 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: BMWTurboDzl]
FetchFar Offline


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Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
[/quote] LOL...my Walmart doesn't carry M1 0w40.

Dealer oil is $8.95 in my neck of the woods.


I'm surprised, yet it makes sense for a dealer to get customers in their for oil changes with the bait of reasonably priced oil. Sure some GM/Ford/Chrysler dealers offer quick oil change services to lure you in, yet the expensive-car dealerships out there rarely give many breaks.
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#3375104 - 05/18/14 08:24 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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Registered: 05/31/08
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Originally Posted By: SilverC6
I know my parts guy already.

The dealership's approach is multiply the price of anything you buy from parts X 2.

$21 BMW OEM oil filter on line = $42 BMW OEM oil filter at the dealership

So I'm sure the $7.25 quart of genuine BMW 5W-30 would be $14.50 there.

Parts and service continue to be profit centers no matter what brand vehicle you are driving.

The dealer is a few miles down the road anyway.

I'm going to stick with the oil offerings at Wallyworld or Advanced Auto/Autozone/O'Reilly.


Strangely, not always.
Recently I looked for different parts and fluids, and after doing my research on the net ( ebay and some more specialised european cars web site), I called the parts departemenf of a BMW dealership.

For most of the parts, yes, internet is cheaper (except in my case when shipping to Canada gets expensive, but that is not your case), but for some other, the dealer was just few bucks more, and getting the parts right away, it was the right choice to get it from the dealer.

From memory, it was the new blue gas cap and the Pentosin CHF-11S fluid for the power steering.

All the filters, oil, air and cabin, I bought from a Canadian website, dealer was at least double the price.
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#3378908 - 05/23/14 03:34 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: FetchFar]
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Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
LOL...my Walmart doesn't carry M1 0w40.

Dealer oil is $8.95 in my neck of the woods.


I'm surprised, yet it makes sense for a dealer to get customers in their for oil changes with the bait of reasonably priced oil. Sure some GM/Ford/Chrysler dealers offer quick oil change services to lure you in, yet the expensive-car dealerships out there rarely give many breaks.

[/quote]

Most customers who get their oil changed at the dealer or oil change shops don't know the price of oil. They just know how much the oil change and 50 pt inspection package cost.
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#3379152 - 05/23/14 10:29 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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My BMW dealer gives me 15% off of true MSRP on parts and 20% off parts and labor in the service department. Best of all, they do excellent work.
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#3379208 - 05/23/14 11:40 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: MCompact]
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
My BMW dealer gives me 15% off of true MSRP on parts and 20% off parts and labor in the service department. Best of all, they do excellent work.


It certainly isn't the guy in Louisville.....
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#3379279 - 05/23/14 01:13 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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It is, actually...
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#3379701 - 05/23/14 11:38 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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They never miss an opportunity to bone me.....

You must be related or work there to get the friends and family treatment.
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#3379722 - 05/24/14 12:13 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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I'm not an employee or relative, just another customer...
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#3379728 - 05/24/14 12:32 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: MCompact]
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You're right that they do good work.

And there are a couple of great folks on the sales side.

I'm glad you're getting the customer care you deserve.
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#3379833 - 05/24/14 07:59 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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I applaud SilverC6 for voting with his wallet. I'm no fan of Castrol OR Mobil, but for different reasons.

Having said that, I think they both offer excellent products, I just choose to spend my money elsewhere.
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#3379879 - 05/24/14 09:16 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: MCompact]
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
My BMW dealer gives me 15% off of true MSRP on parts and 20% off parts and labor in the service department. Best of all, they do excellent work.

Any Costco member can get 15% off at participating dealers for parts and labor so anyone paying full price should look into this. I just walk into my MINI dealer and ask for the Costco discount and they know. I am a member though and went through the steps online to get the "coupon" for the first couple times.
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#3380301 - 05/24/14 08:53 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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I can't really see how a Costco discount would work at the BMW dealer.

Don't think they are "participating."

But BMW could invite some monkeys from the zoo over to work on your car and match price, I guess.
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#3380507 - 05/25/14 04:49 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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Even more confusion - BMW have recently introduced a new oil spec: LL-14 FE+
Presumably the 14 refer to the year of origination, I believe the FE stands for fuel economy.
As far as I know, there is only one manufacturer that meets this new spec; strange as the the engine for which it is designed has been in production for a few years now.

Regards, lim


Edited by lim (05/25/14 04:50 AM)

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#3380576 - 05/25/14 07:30 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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BMW has had an FE spec for over a decade (LL-01 FE). I guess this LL-14 FE is an updated version of it.
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#3380825 - 05/25/14 01:09 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Quattro Pete]
lim Offline


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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
BMW has had an FE spec for over a decade (LL-01 FE). I guess this LL-14 FE is an updated version of it.


True, but I doubt that this latest spec will have the same backwards compatibility as 04, 01, 98 and Spezial. It seems to be much more than a simple update.


Edited by lim (05/25/14 01:09 PM)

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#3381100 - 05/25/14 08:11 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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Originally Posted By: SilverC6
I can't really see how a Costco discount would work at the BMW dealer.

Don't think they are "participating."

But BMW could invite some monkeys from the zoo over to work on your car and match price, I guess.

Obviously, you're not a member then...or you're not using all of the benefits. Just because you can't "see" it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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#3381113 - 05/25/14 08:26 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: LotI]
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Originally Posted By: LotI
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
I can't really see how a Costco discount would work at the BMW dealer.

Don't think they are "participating."

But BMW could invite some monkeys from the zoo over to work on your car and match price, I guess.

Obviously, you're not a member then...or you're not using all of the benefits. Just because you can't "see" it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


My apologies after re-reading your post.

No Costco in my town so I am not a member.

There is a SAM's here and they did, a few years back, have some affiliated car dealerships that displayed new cars at the club.
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#3402290 - 06/20/14 02:08 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: lim]
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LL-04 is not backwards compatible with LL-01 in the US.

Originally Posted By: lim
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
BMW has had an FE spec for over a decade (LL-01 FE). I guess this LL-14 FE is an updated version of it.


True, but I doubt that this latest spec will have the same backwards compatibility as 04, 01, 98 and Spezial. It seems to be much more than a simple update.

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#3402375 - 06/20/14 04:08 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Why not just stick with dealer 5w30 for your intermediate changes? You may also avoid consumption issues due to flipping back and forth.

I'm assuming your vehicle is NOT on the new 10k/yr OCI?


My vehicle is in the 10k/yr OCI category.

Is there a comsumption issue with M1 0W-40 vs. Castrol 0W-40?


I don't know about the Castrol, but the M1 0w-40 is the lowest in terms of consumption in my M5. 1L/10,000Km.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought you mentioned you got better oil consumption with PU 5W-40 or was that not for a full 10,000 kms?

My high mileage 328i has low oil consumption (1/2L/8,000 kms) on a light (HTHSV 2.9-3.0cP) 0W-30 blend. Heavier oils I've run in the past were no better.
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#3402397 - 06/20/14 04:49 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: CATERHAM]
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Why not just stick with dealer 5w30 for your intermediate changes? You may also avoid consumption issues due to flipping back and forth.

I'm assuming your vehicle is NOT on the new 10k/yr OCI?


My vehicle is in the 10k/yr OCI category.

Is there a comsumption issue with M1 0W-40 vs. Castrol 0W-40?


I don't know about the Castrol, but the M1 0w-40 is the lowest in terms of consumption in my M5. 1L/10,000Km.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought you mentioned you got better oil consumption with PU 5W-40 or was that not for a full 10,000 kms?

My high mileage 328i has low oil consumption (1/2L/8,000 kms) on a light (HTHSV 2.9-3.0cP) 0W-30 blend. Heavier oils I've run in the past were no better.


Nope, was not the whole 10K Km's. The PU consumed at twice the rate (2L in 10K) as the M1 0w-40 (1L in 10K).
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#3402924 - 06/21/14 10:16 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: OVERKILL]
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And I presume that's the lighter SM version of M1 0W-40?
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#3402997 - 06/21/14 12:40 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: CATERHAM]
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
And I presume that's the lighter SM version of M1 0W-40?



Yes, this car has not seen any of the SN rated stuff, I only recently saw my first bottle of it at CT a few weeks ago actually, LOL!. I have about four cases of the SM stuff left in stock here.
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#3403072 - 06/21/14 02:38 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: OVERKILL]
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You actually saw some SN M1 0W-40 at Cdn Tire in litre bottles?
That's the first I've heard of it so I'll have to check out my local CT stores not that I would buy any.
I have enough US bought SN M1 0W-40 to last me for a while.
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#3403079 - 06/21/14 02:46 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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my M3 likes the M1 0W40 and MoS2 combo, no oil consumption.
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#3403139 - 06/21/14 04:25 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: SilverC6]
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M1 0W40 is also now $22.66 at my local walmart, cheapest I've ever seen
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#3403321 - 06/21/14 09:08 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: CATERHAM]
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
That's the first I've heard of it so I'll have to check out my local CT stores not that I would buy any.

You could go to Imperial Oil and engage in some false economy and buy some Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 at about $25 a jug. wink
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#3403469 - 06/21/14 11:59 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: CATERHAM]
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
You actually saw some SN M1 0W-40 at Cdn Tire in litre bottles?
That's the first I've heard of it so I'll have to check out my local CT stores not that I would buy any.
I have enough US bought SN M1 0W-40 to last me for a while.


Yup, finally did! But only at the one store, LOL!
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#3415845 - 07/06/14 06:23 AM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Coprolite]
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Originally Posted By: Coprolite
LL-04 is not backwards compatible with LL-01 in the US.

Originally Posted By: lim
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
BMW has had an FE spec for over a decade (LL-01 FE). I guess this LL-14 FE is an updated version of it.


True, but I doubt that this latest spec will have the same backwards compatibility as 04, 01, 98 and Spezial. It seems to be much more than a simple update.


Not backwards compatible in Australia either.

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#3416468 - 07/06/14 07:32 PM Re: BMW confusion, why not just use M1 0W-40 [Re: Leonardo629]
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Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
M1 0W40 is also now $22.66 at my local walmart, cheapest I've ever seen


Hmm, I thought some were seeing $22.47 or something? Regardless, that's dirt-cheap. Just confirmed my stores have the $22.66 too.
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