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#3365920 - 05/08/14 07:15 PM Bugatti required oil
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In case you ever wondered about the "required" oil for $1.5 to $3.0 million Bugatti.

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#3365925 - 05/08/14 07:19 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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At that price it should have a built in UOA system.

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#3365937 - 05/08/14 07:36 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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A band aid for engine design problems?
That's why BMW recommended this oil for some M5s.
I wonder how it would do on a 0W-20 in the hands of a Florida plastic surgeon we don't hear much from anymore?
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#3365980 - 05/08/14 08:15 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
A band aid for engine design problems?
That's why BMW recommended this oil for some M5s.


Highly unlikely. This engine produces so much heat that the first time they ran the prototype on the test stand at full power (1001 HP) it nearly burned the building down. The building's ventilation and exhaust system could not handle the heat and the ductwork started melting. VW probably spec'd this oil as an extra measure of protection.
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#3366033 - 05/08/14 08:58 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
A band aid for engine design problems?
That's why BMW recommended this oil for some M5s.
I wonder how it would do on a 0W-20 in the hands of a Florida plastic surgeon we don't hear much from anymore?


Erm.

You do realise this is one of the most advanced cars ever produced.

And if a car with 1000 bhp has design problems do you really think a thicker oil will fix it?

Simply put.

It is a highly tuned quad turbo engine.

Why would they spec anything but the best oil which will give the best protection.
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#3366053 - 05/08/14 09:15 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Yeah, the whole point of Bugatti was not to compromise.
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#3366096 - 05/08/14 09:46 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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oh come on guys,,, it's purely marketing. With so many Veyron oil changes taking place around the globe, Castrol is making a killing from the sale of this liquid band-aid. We all know that Castrol isn't even a oil company but just a 'blender' who mixes together stuff that they buy from other companies.

Heck, I bet Castrol pays Bugatti to put that sticker on there and gives the factory free product. And if any modern designer doesn't use 0W-20 then they're just not building a good engine. Heck, my Honda Civic thrives on 0W-20... if my Bugatti Veyron can't do the same then it shows that Honda is just a superior engine builder.

Yeah,, liquid band-aid.
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#3366106 - 05/08/14 09:58 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: FowVay]
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Originally Posted By: FowVay
oh come on guys,,, it's purely marketing. With so many Veyron oil changes taking place around the globe, Castrol is making a killing from the sale of this liquid band-aid. We all know that Castrol isn't even a oil company but just a 'blender' who mixes together stuff that they buy from other companies.

Heck, I bet Castrol pays Bugatti to put that sticker on there and gives the factory free product. And if any modern designer doesn't use 0W-20 then they're just not building a good engine. Heck, my Honda Civic thrives on 0W-20... if my Bugatti Veyron can't do the same then it shows that Honda is just a superior engine builder.

Yeah,, liquid band-aid.


Wow. Just...wow.
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#3366133 - 05/08/14 10:26 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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That's to funny, I'm glad someone on here has a sense of humor.

Like everything for that car I'd figure it's a custom blend, with a price to match!

I'm still more of a Pagani fan though.


Edited by hattaresguy (05/08/14 10:27 PM)

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#3366214 - 05/09/14 03:08 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
A band aid for engine design problems?
That's why BMW recommended this oil for some M5s.
I wonder how it would do on a 0W-20 in the hands of a Florida plastic surgeon we don't hear much from anymore?


They do run hot with all those turbos and there's a lot of torque going through those bearings, I wouldn't want to run a 0w20 that's for sure!

They recommend Castrol because VW own Bugatti, it's a VW engine and Castrol are the oil supplier to VAG.

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#3366215 - 05/09/14 03:10 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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I couldn't thumbs up your post, lol.

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#3366216 - 05/09/14 03:14 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: FowVay]
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Heck, my Honda Civic thrives on 0W-20... if my Bugatti Veyron can't do the same then it shows that Honda is just a superior engine builder.

A Honda Civic is a lightly loaded granny wagon producing about 100hp

A Bugatti Veyron is a highly stressed, quad turbo W16 producing 1000hp

Notice the extra zero.

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#3366220 - 05/09/14 03:59 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Yeah like number of horses you have under the hood has something to do with the viscosity of the oil.

Each engine of Boeing 777 has 110 000 hp and it's using oil that is 5 cSt at 100c as per D50TF1, class B.

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#3366288 - 05/09/14 07:27 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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buahhahhaha,, A GE90/100 or RR Trent 1000 does NOT produce 110,000 hp.. they produce a range of thrust between 90,000 - 110,000 lbs. This is NOT horsepower.

Jet turbine oil need not apply for a job in the Bugatti. haha...
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#3366319 - 05/09/14 07:58 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: FowVay]
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I read somewhere that this car needs to have it's oil changed at the factory - in France. Yes, you do not change oil at the dealer or at the mansion. You crate it to France and they change the oil for you among other things. Correct me if I'm wrong to any Veyron owners out there.
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#3366331 - 05/09/14 08:07 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: gregoron]
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Originally Posted By: gregoron
I read somewhere that this car needs to have it's oil changed at the factory - in France. Yes, you do not change oil at the dealer or at the mansion. You crate it to France and they change the oil for you among other things. Correct me if I'm wrong to any Veyron owners out there.


I thought they flew a technician out from France.
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#3366359 - 05/09/14 08:38 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Bugatti of North America has several dealerships in the U.S. and routine maintenance can be done at any of the service centers.
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#3366369 - 05/09/14 08:44 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Mathson]
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Originally Posted By: Mathson
Yeah like number of horses you have under the hood has something to do with the viscosity of the oil.

Each engine of Boeing 777 has 110 000 hp and it's using oil that is 5 cSt at 100c as per D50TF1, class B.


There is a rather massive difference in terms of architecture between a turbine, which has no parts going up and down as the shaft goes 'roundy-round, and a piston engine, which has many parts doing the hokey-pokey as it spins the crank about.
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#3366517 - 05/09/14 10:51 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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I still belive it would run nicely on rotella...
but if going by factory oci it would mean that you would dump
perfectly fine oil at the changes.
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#3366955 - 05/09/14 05:27 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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The Veyron uses special Michelin PAX tires found on no other car. They were designed specifically for the Bugatti's capabilities and can only be removed from the wheels in France, a process that costs $70,000. The tires themselves cost $17,000 per set.

Quoted from Jalopnik.

This was also quoted back in 2010. I am sure bugatti North America does theioil changes. Maybe the tires too by now who knows.
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#3366992 - 05/09/14 06:16 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: bigjl]
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Okay, so the Bugatti-badged VW is apparently exempt from the need to provide for adequate oil cooling?
Got it.
Of course, this engine will rarely if ever actually produce anything close to a thousand horses even in the hands of its most psychotic (or inebriated) owners, but I guess that doesn't matter.
I guess that nobody else remembers that really thick grades are often recommended as band aids.
This VW design is no different, despite its undeniably exotic design and unparalled performance in a street car.
Heck, it'll outrun most purpose-built race cars.
I can't think of a modern purpose-built race engine that needs a sixty grade oil, though, and they actually do get run hard all of the time.
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#3367001 - 05/09/14 06:25 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Audi has the special 501.01 spec for the R8 GT (a higher output and lighter version of the R8 V10). The only oil on that list is Castrol Edge Professional TWS 10w60.

Clearly VAG believes it is necessary to run a 60 on their very highest-output motors. I have to assume that on something like the Veyron, this was tested heavily and 10w60 was deliberately chosen. Castrol also provides their service fill so naturally TWS was the only option.
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#3367043 - 05/09/14 07:34 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Okay, so the Bugatti-badged VW is apparently exempt from the need to provide for adequate oil cooling?
Got it.

I strongly suggest you read up on the car's development.

It has multiple oil coolers. Adding any more would have required more grille openings, which would increase aerodynamic drag, which would have required more power to achieve the top speed, which would have generated more heat...

There's plenty to criticize about the Veyron, but the competence of the engineering behind it is completely beyond reproach.
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#3367159 - 05/09/14 09:36 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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It says Bugatti approved Castrol 10w60, but what makes it different from the Castrol 10w60 used in certain BMW models?
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#3367326 - 05/10/14 06:40 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: d00df00d]
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I don't doubt that this car is a remarkable achivement and it does take a lot of power to push 4000+ lbs to the speeds the car can reach.
Maybe the VW folks should have spent a little more time on weight reduction?
With all those cylinders and turbos and all of the complexity, this engine has a specific output only slightly superior to the simple two liter inline four used in the original Honda S2000, for which any API 10W-30 is recommended.
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#3367328 - 05/10/14 06:45 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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I run a turbo S2000, with 385-407 RWHP, depending on boost levels (summer-winter) and 8500RPM redline (2.2L)

One thing has become clear, 5W-40 is not sufficiently viscous to protect the engine. The loads require 15W-50 especially during the summer.

I'm not at all surprised by this engine's requirements. It's what us turbo guys have been doing all along. Doing otherwise results in rapid wear.

Remember, non boosted engines have vastly different bearing load issues. Also, consider what's required for track days. Many high powered and turbo track cars simply don't hold up with thin oils, unless designed to do so.
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#3367436 - 05/10/14 09:25 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Cujet]
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If you're getting that kind of RWHP, would it be fair to say that the engine would dino at 200 bhp/liter?
Quite a bit for any street car.
I understand that forced induction will result in higher bearing loads and that more power output requires that more fuel be burned which in turn generates more heat.
What kind of oil temperatures are you seeing?
What's been done to the engine to help it to hold up under power levels way beyond what Honda envisioned?
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#3367465 - 05/10/14 10:06 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Cujet]
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Originally Posted By: Cujet

Remember, non boosted engines have vastly different bearing load issues.


Indeed. Far beyond anything they were tested or designed for. And when a simple upgrade in oil can hold them together easily IF the tune is good, why not?
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#3367486 - 05/10/14 10:43 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: artificialist]
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Originally Posted By: artificialist
It says Bugatti approved Castrol 10w60, but what makes it different from the Castrol 10w60 used in certain BMW models?



Nothing. It has the same name and is the exact same oil.

BTW, related thread:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2588675
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#3367890 - 05/10/14 07:42 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Okay, so the Bugatti-badged VW is apparently exempt from the need to provide for adequate oil cooling?
Got it.
Of course, this engine will rarely if ever actually produce anything close to a thousand horses even in the hands of its most psychotic (or inebriated) owners, but I guess that doesn't matter.
I guess that nobody else remembers that really thick grades are often recommended as band aids.
This VW design is no different, despite its undeniably exotic design and unparalled performance in a street car.
Heck, it'll outrun most purpose-built race cars.
I can't think of a modern purpose-built race engine that needs a sixty grade oil, though, and they actually do get run hard all of the time.


Race engines are rebuilt every few hundred miles and longevity is not a factor.

Performance is.

I assume everybody would be saying this was a great idea if the Veyron was designed and built in the US.

This thin oil or you're obviously rubbish mantra is getting a bit old.

I await the first Veyron owner on Bitog to post up a UOA on 0w20 after 5k miles.

Wonder what the wear will be like, if the engine hasn't grenaded that is.
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#3368236 - 05/11/14 06:30 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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I hope that my sarcasm is making a bit more sense now. haha

And BTW, my Kawasaki ZX-14R puts down 197 horsepower to the back tire with a mere 1.441 liters of normally aspirated displacement giving it an output of 136.7 horsepower/liter. That Volkswagen on steroids makes 125 horsepower/liter with a ton of blowers and pushers and coolers and whatever else they could find in the Beetle parts bin. Eight liters of displacement and ONLY 1001 HP? tsk tsk tsk.. inefficiency at it's finest.

10W-60 INDEED! wink
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#3368256 - 05/11/14 06:53 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: bigjl]
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The Veyron is neither a great nor a bad idea.
It's merely a couple of million dollars worth of wretched excess that will never be stressed by most of its owners.
Heck, it'll probably rarely be driven by most of its owners.
Still, it offers awesome acceleration and top end, well beyond any other factory standard street car ever built and it even meets American impact and emmissions standars.
Quite an achievement.
Now, in the lightly stressed use this car will see in the hands of a typical owner, a much thinner oil would work just fine.
We also do have a member here who does use twenty grade oils in his various Italian exotics based upon that premise.
If the engine is never run hard enough or long enough to generate any significant heat then it doesn't need an oil grade thick enough to retain adequate viscosity under the most extreme operating conditions.
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#3368304 - 05/11/14 07:50 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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The whole point of the Veyron is to make its speed accessible any day, any time, any place. If you want to go from cruising around to crushing your opponents, you're not supposed to have to stop and think about anything, let alone how thick your oil is.
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#3368438 - 05/11/14 10:11 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
The Veyron is neither a great nor a bad idea.
It's merely a couple of million dollars worth of wretched excess that will never be stressed by most of its owners.
Heck, it'll probably rarely be driven by most of its owners.
Still, it offers awesome acceleration and top end, well beyond any other factory standard street car ever built and it even meets American impact and emmissions standars.
Quite an achievement.
Now, in the lightly stressed use this car will see in the hands of a typical owner, a much thinner oil would work just fine.
We also do have a member here who does use twenty grade oils in his various Italian exotics based upon that premise.
If the engine is never run hard enough or long enough to generate any significant heat then it doesn't need an oil grade thick enough to retain adequate viscosity under the most extreme operating conditions.


Silly question, but how are we classifying "factory standard street cars"? Just wondering if we include cars like the Shelby 1000?
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#3368686 - 05/11/14 04:49 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: d00df00d]
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
The whole point of the Veyron is to make its speed accessible any day, any time, any place. If you want to go from cruising around to crushing your opponents, you're not supposed to have to stop and think about anything, let alone how thick your oil is.


Yeah, there are so many opportunities to exceed 200 mph for an extended period of time.
If all you wanted to do was to win a little high speed roll-on you'd only be dipping into a fraction of this car's capability in crushing any opponent I can thing of.
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#3368695 - 05/11/14 04:56 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: OVERKILL]
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Okay, how about a car that can be bought new from a dealer with normal factory warranty that is DOT/EPA certified and can be licensed and street driven in all fifty states?
The Veyron clearly would meet all of the above.
Not entirely sure about the Shelby 1000.
I don't think it matters, though, since there are more potent versions of the Veyron than the stripper 1001 bhp model.
The engine also probably has a lot more room for development than would a supercharged Ford truck motor.
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#3368779 - 05/11/14 06:36 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Okay, how about a car that can be bought new from a dealer with normal factory warranty that is DOT/EPA certified and can be licensed and street driven in all fifty states?
The Veyron clearly would meet all of the above.
Not entirely sure about the Shelby 1000.


Not sure on the warranty part of it but as long as you don't buy the 1,200HP version, it is DOT/EPA approved. The 1200HP version is for "off-road use only". IIRC, any Ford dealer that does Shelby can hook you up with one of those.

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I don't think it matters, though, since there are more potent versions of the Veyron than the stripper 1001 bhp model.
The engine also probably has a lot more room for development than would a supercharged Ford truck motor.


Probably not actually. A variant of the Ford GT holds the world record in the standing mile (283Mph) and there are numerous ones making over 2,000HP out of that "Ford truck motor".

Unicorns usually have a lot less headroom than engines that are based off of something production with massive aftermarket support. The LSx family, the Ford Modular series.....etc.
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#3368785 - 05/11/14 06:44 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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No expense was spared building the Veyron. They actually lose 6 million dollars for everyone they sell. The car was built to showcase their ability and they don't use 10w-60 as some sort of band aid. With the millions they spent to design the engine I am sure they spec 10w-60 for a reason.


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#3368789 - 05/11/14 06:49 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: OVERKILL]
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Not sure on the warranty part of it but as long as you don't buy the 1,200HP version, it is DOT/EPA approved. The 1200HP version is for "off-road use only". IIRC,


If you're talking about the Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse or the Super Sport (both with 1200 bhp), you are absolutely wrong. They are both 50-state street legal.

The warranty on all new Bugattis is 36 months, bumper to bumper, unlimited mileage and includes full service during the warranty period (not counting tires--currently $30,000 for a set).
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#3368790 - 05/11/14 06:51 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Rendezvous]
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No expense was spared building the Veyron. They actually lose 6 million dollars for everyone they sell.


Uh, it's actually about $750,000 on each car.
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#3368792 - 05/11/14 06:52 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: OVERKILL]
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Okay, and that variant of the Ford GT could have been sold at any Ford dealer with full warranty as well as EPA/DOT compliance?
The Bug is a unicorn, but it also has displacement that no Ford Mod V-8 can approach.
The basic thousand BHP Veyron has barely more specific output than does a two liter S2000.
The 5.4 liter Ford is already at a much higher level and actually must produce considerably more power that's used to drive its mechanical forced induction.
A US street legal Veyron, complete with all the creature comforts can already crack 250 mph.
There's no doubt that a stripped out (lightened) car with some engine development, which would be easy with a turbocharged engine that wouldn't have to last, could eclipse this Ford GT standing mile record.
Cost wouldn't be a barrier, since VW is richer than Ford and has already spent more on the Bugatti program than they can ever hope to get back.
If VW wants the bragging rights, I'm confident that they could win them.
I do think that EB must be rolling over in his grave, or maybe not.
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#3368796 - 05/11/14 06:59 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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No expense was spared building the Veyron. They actually lose 6 million dollars for everyone they sell.


Uh, it's actually about $750,000 on each car.


No its not 750k per car. They spent 1.62 billion on R&D alone for the car.

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#3368809 - 05/11/14 07:10 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Rendezvous]
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No expense was spared building the Veyron. They actually lose 6 million dollars for everyone they sell.


Uh, it's actually about $750,000 on each car.


No its not 750k per car. They spent 1.62 billion on R&D alone for the car.


I don't think companies factor in R&D costs (at least ALL of those costs) into the sticker price.

If your figure of $1.62 billion is correct, and they knew they were only going to make 300 cars, they would have to charge $5.4 million for each car just to recoup the R&D, irrespective of how much it cost to actually make the car. The figure I quoted is what VW/Bugatti is saying they lose on each car based on production cost for each car.
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#3368815 - 05/11/14 07:17 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Originally Posted By: Rendezvous
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Originally Posted By: Rendezvous
No expense was spared building the Veyron. They actually lose 6 million dollars for everyone they sell.


Uh, it's actually about $750,000 on each car.


No its not 750k per car. They spent 1.62 billion on R&D alone for the car.


I don't think companies factor in R&D costs (at least ALL of those costs) into the sticker price.

If your figure of $1.62 billion is correct, and they knew they were only going to make 300 cars, they would have to charge $5.4 million for each car just to recoup the R&D, irrespective of how much it cost to actually make the car. The figure I quoted is what VW/Bugatti is saying they lose on each car based on production cost for each car.






The Veyron actually costs VW 5 million dollars to make each one. The car wasn't built to make a profit on.


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#3368826 - 05/11/14 07:26 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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Okay, and that variant of the Ford GT could have been sold at any Ford dealer with full warranty as well as EPA/DOT compliance?


Of course not, that wasn't my point. I was responding to your claims about the Veyron's engine having more headroom than the Modular, which I don't agree with.

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The Bug is a unicorn, but it also has displacement that no Ford Mod V-8 can approach.


Are you sure about that? The Veyron is 8.0L, Hurricane/BOSS (which is the SOHC mill currently displacing 6.2L in the F-series) has a displacement ceiling somewhere in the 8.xxL realm. And of course one could stroke the 6.8L V10 as well to north of 8.0L.

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The basic thousand BHP Veyron has barely more specific output than does a two liter S2000.
The 5.4 liter Ford is already at a much higher level and actually must produce considerably more power that's used to drive its mechanical forced induction.
A US street legal Veyron, complete with all the creature comforts can already crack 250 mph.
There's no doubt that a stripped out (lightened) car with some engine development, which would be easy with a turbocharged engine that wouldn't have to last, could eclipse this Ford GT standing mile record.


But nobody has, which is surprising given how easy you feel this feat is smirk The "usual contenders" in the standing mile competitions have been Nissan GT-R's, Lambo's and the Ford GT. Having a top speed of 250Mph is one thing. Being able to hit 283Mph in one mile is another. And the Hofman Motorsports Ford GT removed the mechanical supercharger in favour of a pair of twins FWIW.

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Cost wouldn't be a barrier, since VW is richer than Ford and has already spent more on the Bugatti program than they can ever hope to get back.
If VW wants the bragging rights, I'm confident that they could win them.
I do think that EB must be rolling over in his grave, or maybe not.


OK, we could talk mad hypotheticals all day long but that doesn't do anything to validate the point you had attempted to make, which was that the Veyron's engine had more headroom than the Modular. As it stands, there are more examples of the Modular family making more than 2,000HP than there are of the Veyron. In fact there are probably more 2,000+HP Modulars than there are Veyrons.
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#3368927 - 05/11/14 08:45 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: riggaz]
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They do run hot with all those turbos and there's a lot of torque going through those bearings, I wouldn't want to run a 0w20 that's for sure!


For an extra $28,000, they'll install a pressure gauge on the hood for those insisting on a 20 weight.

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#3369107 - 05/12/14 04:53 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: FowVay]
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And BTW, my Kawasaki ZX-14R puts down 197 horsepower to the back tire with a mere 1.441 liters of normally aspirated displacement giving it an output of 136.7 horsepower/liter. That Volkswagen on steroids makes 125 horsepower/liter with a ton of blowers and pushers and coolers and whatever else they could find in the Beetle parts bin. Eight liters of displacement and ONLY 1001 HP? tsk tsk tsk.. inefficiency at it's finest.

10W-60 INDEED! wink


And this is why focussing on power is folly. Your ZX-14R makes that power because of engine speed. Engine power is a factor of torque and speed - the bike's engine makes low torque but high speed, so gets a high power number.

However, when thinking about real engine forces, it is torque that you need to worry about (this is, after all, what pushes on the crankshaft journals).

Now how does your ZX-14R look? Let's take a look:

Kawasaki ZX-14R peak torque = 113 lb.ft (best I could find online)
Bugatti Veyron peak torque = 922 lb.ft

You can slice this up a few ways:

Per litre: 81 vs 115 - Veyron wins by 42%
Per cylinder: 28 vs 58 - Veyron wins by 107%
Per bhp: 0.57 vs 0.92 - Veyron wins by 61%
Per ton: 390 vs 443 - Veyron wins by 14%
Per ton (with 180 lb rider/driver): 297 vs 425 - Veyron wins by 43%.

Bang for buck the bike wins hands-down, but where it matters to the oil, the Veyron puts a lot more demand into it.

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#3369276 - 05/12/14 10:10 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Make sure you are using wheel horsepower/torque for both of them. Has anyone actually seen a dyno chart for a veyron?

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#3369303 - 05/12/14 11:02 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Originally Posted By: Rendezvous
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No expense was spared building the Veyron. They actually lose 6 million dollars for everyone they sell.


Uh, it's actually about $750,000 on each car.


No its not 750k per car. They spent 1.62 billion on R&D alone for the car.


I don't think companies factor in R&D costs (at least ALL of those costs) into the sticker price.

If your figure of $1.62 billion is correct, and they knew they were only going to make 300 cars, they would have to charge $5.4 million for each car just to recoup the R&D, irrespective of how much it cost to actually make the car. The figure I quoted is what VW/Bugatti is saying they lose on each car based on production cost for each car.


The accounting rules for expensing/capitalizing R&D costs are very specific when it comes to what can be put into the inventory numbers. Any costs up until a working prototype is created are all expensed in the period that they are incurred. So, by the time that VAG had a functional prototype of the Veyron, all of those costs were just expensed and would not show up in the cost of goods sold from inventory sales.
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#3369651 - 05/12/14 05:13 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: quarterliter]
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Make sure you are using wheel horsepower/torque for both of them. Has anyone actually seen a dyno chart for a veyron?


I've never seen a dyno report on the Veyron.

Here is a vid of a stock 1001 bhp Veyorn running the 1/4 in 10.17 seconds at 139.44 mph. Given that this car weighs 4300 pounds, I think it's fair to assume the hp at the wheels is somewhere in the neighborhood of 800.

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#3369739 - 05/12/14 07:26 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: OVERKILL]
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I know that you didn't mean to imply that the record setting Ford GT was streetable.
I mentioned Mod V-8s for a reason.
I know that the V-10 exists, but it coudn't possibly be packaged into a production car, and Ford couldn't afford the loss of CAFE credits this thirsty engine would bring even if it could be. The Mod has always been displacement limited for cars, as compared to GM's compact pushrod engines or probably the very dense VW 16 cylinder, although I'm not sure how to refer to its configuration.
I also understand that it wouldn't be easy to build a car to run to well over 250 mph in the standing mile, but a stock Veyron has eight liters deployed to begin with and also has four turbos to play with.
A little overbore and a little overboost would no doubt yield a lot more power, if VW wants to play that game, especially since the engine wouldn't have to live very long, could use any fuel and would not need to comply with any emissions standards.
Remember that the stripper model Veyron is capable of nearly 260 mph as delivered stock and also meets fifty state emission standards and that VW is also required to warrant that the engine will remain emissions legal for quite a few years and miles under USEPA regs.
While I'm sure that there exist 2000 bhp Ford Mods, I have to wonder what their life might be as measured in hours, or maybe passes?
Probably not any longer than what you'd get with a 2000 bph Veyron. One will get built, if not by VW than by some private owner with more money than sense.
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#3369867 - 05/12/14 09:26 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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I know that you didn't mean to imply that the record setting Ford GT was streetable.
I mentioned Mod V-8s for a reason.
I know that the V-10 exists, but it coudn't possibly be packaged into a production car, and Ford couldn't afford the loss of CAFE credits this thirsty engine would bring even if it could be. The Mod has always been displacement limited for cars, as compared to GM's compact pushrod engines or probably the very dense VW 16 cylinder, although I'm not sure how to refer to its configuration.
I also understand that it wouldn't be easy to build a car to run to well over 250 mph in the standing mile, but a stock Veyron has eight liters deployed to begin with and also has four turbos to play with.
A little overbore and a little overboost would no doubt yield a lot more power, if VW wants to play that game, especially since the engine wouldn't have to live very long, could use any fuel and would not need to comply with any emissions standards.
Remember that the stripper model Veyron is capable of nearly 260 mph as delivered stock and also meets fifty state emission standards and that VW is also required to warrant that the engine will remain emissions legal for quite a few years and miles under USEPA regs.
While I'm sure that there exist 2000 bhp Ford Mods, I have to wonder what their life might be as measured in hours, or maybe passes?
Probably not any longer than what you'd get with a 2000 bph Veyron. One will get built, if not by VW than by some private owner with more money than sense.


You'll laugh but somebody actually managed to squeeze the 6.8L V10 into an SN95 grin

Also, not sure if you ever saw the GT90 concept car, but if not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GT90

Modular-based 6.0L quad-turbo V12 smile And that was 1995.

Also of note, the Koenigsegg CCR was powered by a twin-supercharged Ford Modular V8 displacing 4.7L and making 795HP. A later edition made 891BHP.

I have no idea how long the 5.4's last at 2K+HP. But I was surprised at how well the 4.6 Termi's held up at the 1K HP levels. A buddy of mine who runs a tuning shop had a DD termi with a pair of twins on it making 850RHWP (about 975HP crank) that he drag raced and drove everywhere. Still had full emissions gear on it too crzy

The Modulars have impressed the heck out of me (in case you didn't notice, LOL). That's in no way meant to undermine the achievement and engineering masterpiece that is the Veyron of course smile It is an engineer's wet dream. I was just really shocked when I saw the power guys were getting out of the Ford GT setup, many of them with mostly stock engines. And they were staying together.
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#3369920 - 05/12/14 10:18 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: OVERKILL]
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Is any of those 1000+ hp engines designed to be as reliable and long-lasting as the engine in the Veyron? I don't think anyone could say that with a straight face, except maybe in the cases of the GT90 and Koenigsegg cars -- both of which, I'm sure you'll agree, are exceptions that prove the rule: it's extremely hard to make an engine that puts out that much power with anywhere near normal longevity. No one could even come close until well after the Veyron came out in 2005.

And that's completely ignoring the docility and tractability of the Veyron's engine, which are nearly unmatched even among highly refined luxury car engines with half the power, let alone anything that comes close to 1000 hp.
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#3369960 - 05/12/14 10:58 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Koenigsegg's engines are much more impressive than the veyrons. 270HP per liter on the new ONE:1. All from a twin turbo v8. No need for a w16 whiz bang engine. And even the most powerful bugatti does not have more than 1340 hp or one megawatt. It's amazing that a small swedish company could build such a competitive super car.

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#3369961 - 05/12/14 10:59 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: d00df00d]
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Is any of those 1000+ hp engines designed to be as reliable and long-lasting as the engine in the Veyron? I don't think anyone could say that with a straight face, except maybe in the cases of the GT90 and Koenigsegg cars -- both of which, I'm sure you'll agree, are exceptions that prove the rule: it's extremely hard to make an engine that puts out that much power with anywhere near normal longevity. No one could even come close until well after the Veyron came out in 2005.

And that's completely ignoring the docility and tractability of the Veyron's engine, which are nearly unmatched even among highly refined luxury car engines with half the power, let alone anything that comes close to 1000 hp.


I think the ~900HP CCR is pretty close, and I believe pre-dates the Veyron. Sure, it is off a bit over 100BHP, but it is also shy 3.5L too, LOL smile I just think it is pretty darn impressive they did it with a Modular grin
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#3369967 - 05/12/14 11:06 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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All the new engines are now their own design, but the Ford ones were impressive too

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#3370091 - 05/13/14 03:26 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Mathson]
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Yeah like number of horses you have under the hood has something to do with the viscosity of the oil.

Each engine of Boeing 777 has 110 000 hp and it's using oil that is 5 cSt at 100c as per D50TF1, class B.


I didn't realise they were piston engines on those...

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#3370948 - 05/13/14 09:15 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Originally Posted By: Rendezvous
No expense was spared building the Veyron. They actually lose 6 million dollars for everyone they sell.


Uh, it's actually about $750,000 on each car.


No you are wrong.

It is widely reported to be just under £4million a car.

Which is around $6million
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#3370960 - 05/13/14 09:22 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: quarterliter]
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Koenigsegg's engines are much more impressive than the veyrons. 270HP per liter on the new ONE:1. All from a twin turbo v8. No need for a w16 whiz bang engine. And even the most powerful bugatti does not have more than 1340 hp or one megawatt. It's amazing that a small swedish company could build such a competitive super car.


You are completely ignoring that one car is pretty bare bones and slightly ragged when driven hard.

And a Veyron was maxed by Captain Slow from TopGear, probably wearing brogues.
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#3370969 - 05/13/14 09:25 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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And the CCR produced under 800bhp with the help of two rotrex compressors.

It would give more power on biofuel though. I think it was BioEthanol but don't quote me on that as it was many years ago i watches the first road test of the CCR on TopGear
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#3370971 - 05/13/14 09:27 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: quarterliter]
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Koenigsegg's engines are much more impressive than the veyrons. 270HP per liter on the new ONE:1. All from a twin turbo v8. No need for a w16 whiz bang engine. And even the most powerful bugatti does not have more than 1340 hp or one megawatt. It's amazing that a small swedish company could build such a competitive super car.


I thought the CCR was supercharged?

Must be remembering wrongly.
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#3371422 - 05/14/14 11:56 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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that whole car is a band aid for a marketing gimmick with "omg 4 turbos!" of an engine.. 1000 hp is not hard to get.. could of been done very easily with a v8 running 30 weight oil. ... sorry i never really liked the car. give me a p1, 918, or laferrari (without the mirrors) any day

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#3371513 - 05/14/14 01:59 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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#3371540 - 05/14/14 02:36 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Ignorance is alive and well on BITOG.


Was there ever any doubt?

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#3372864 - 05/15/14 09:41 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: MotorsportsX]
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that whole car is a band aid for a marketing gimmick with "omg 4 turbos!" of an engine.. 1000 hp is not hard to get.. could of been done very easily with a v8 running 30 weight oil. ... sorry i never really liked the car. give me a p1, 918, or laferrari (without the mirrors) any day


These days 1000hp isn't as hard to make as people may think. A few years ago I had a car that made 800whp on a 2.0 engine. However making a 1000hp with a bumper to bumper warranty and meeting emissions is a whole another story. It takes a lot of work to do something like that. How anyone could call this car a band aid is just crazy to me. As an engineer by trade cars like this bring a huge smile to my face. I love every detail about it. I would think anyone who was a car enthusiast would appreciate it also but I guess not. People should be happy car manufacturers even make cars like this anymore because they are a dying breed.

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#3373016 - 05/16/14 06:18 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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If the engine is never run hard enough or long enough to generate any significant heat then it doesn't need an oil grade thick enough to retain adequate viscosity under the most extreme operating conditions.


It can probably do as well as necessary on retreaded tyres rather than $17,000 a set also...if you aren't using the performance, then obviously you don't need the tyres either...or the brakes for that matter, and the aero braking thing really doesn't work that well at 55...

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#3373023 - 05/16/14 06:42 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Shannow]
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It can probably do as well as necessary on retreaded tyres rather than $17,000 a set also...if you aren't using the performance, then obviously you don't need the tyres either...or the brakes for that matter, and the aero braking thing really doesn't work that well at 55...

Well said!

Now I'm imagining a Veyron with tiny brakes and 155-section LRR all-season tires...
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#3373049 - 05/16/14 07:36 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: bigjl]
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Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: quarterliter
Koenigsegg's engines are much more impressive than the veyrons. 270HP per liter on the new ONE:1. All from a twin turbo v8. No need for a w16 whiz bang engine. And even the most powerful bugatti does not have more than 1340 hp or one megawatt. It's amazing that a small swedish company could build such a competitive super car.


I thought the CCR was supercharged?

Must be remembering wrongly.


The CCR is an older car which was supercharged. The One:1 is a new limited production car bad off the agera R, which uses variable vein 3d printed turbos.

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#3373362 - 05/16/14 03:00 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: riggaz]
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Originally Posted By: riggaz
Originally Posted By: Mathson
Yeah like number of horses you have under the hood has something to do with the viscosity of the oil.

Each engine of Boeing 777 has 110 000 hp and it's using oil that is 5 cSt at 100c as per D50TF1, class B.


I didn't realise they were piston engines on those...


Ouh didn't you..

The point being the oil used is determined by the design of an engine, not by number of hp it produces.


Edited by Mathson (05/16/14 03:03 PM)

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#3373587 - 05/16/14 07:28 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Mathson]
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Originally Posted By: Mathson
The point being the oil used is determined by the design of an engine, not by number of hp it produces.


breath of fresh air...

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#3375511 - 05/19/14 10:31 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Mathson]
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The point I was making is that, as a rule, 1000hp engine will run hotter than a 100hp engine thus thinning the oil, requiring a heavier viscosity to compensate.

At least use a piston engine as an example, turbofans are nothing like piston engines in their lube requirements, they also don't produce 110000 hp, they produce about 110000 lbf of thrust.


Edited by riggaz (05/19/14 10:32 AM)

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#3377975 - 05/22/14 01:33 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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from what I understand there's only three types of 10w60 available. the easiest one to obtain would be the castrol 10w60 that ur Local bmw dealer sells. while you have to go online or have a world pac account or IMC account to obtain Redline Motor Oil and Lubrimolly
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#3378090 - 05/22/14 08:09 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: JohnathanDm]
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Castrol alone has more than one kind of 10w-60....

RLI has one, too.
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#3378337 - 05/22/14 01:13 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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I'd just use Redline 60 WT, (20w60)
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#3378628 - 05/22/14 06:54 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Shannow]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
If the engine is never run hard enough or long enough to generate any significant heat then it doesn't need an oil grade thick enough to retain adequate viscosity under the most extreme operating conditions.


It can probably do as well as necessary on retreaded tyres rather than $17,000 a set also...if you aren't using the performance, then obviously you don't need the tyres either...or the brakes for that matter, and the aero braking thing really doesn't work that well at 55...


You make perfect sense in this post.
This car will never be driven hard enough by most of its owners for the oil or the tires to actually matter.
Glad that you got the idea.
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#3378953 - 05/23/14 06:05 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: fdcg27]
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#3379513 - 05/23/14 07:04 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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I suspect Shannow was being a bit tongue in cheek
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#3380248 - 05/24/14 07:26 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: bigjl]
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Originally Posted By: bigjl
I suspect Shannow was being a bit tongue in cheek


Actually, I started posting that way, then realised that one of my peeves in this country is that if a vehicle is fitted with certain speed rated tyres, it is illegal to downgrade, even 'though the fines for even running at 100MPH are over three grand...no-one in this country "needs" a tyre rated over 100MPH.

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#3380260 - 05/24/14 08:01 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that we're having a conversation about what's "necessary" for "most drivers" in a Bugatti Veyron.
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#3380555 - 05/25/14 07:09 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Just shades of grey...no-one needs more than 5W-20 int heir Mustang for normal road use (and on the track, they don't need all the horsepower that they paid for either)...just shades of grey

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#3380626 - 05/25/14 08:47 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: Shannow]
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Just shades of grey...no-one needs more than 5W-20 int heir Mustang for normal road use (and on the track, they don't need all the horsepower that they paid for either)...just shades of grey


Something quite often ignored here with our intense focus on absolutes (probably from all those darn engineers)....
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#3380858 - 05/25/14 02:05 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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I don't see the point in using an oil such as 0w20 or 5w20 as it will be fine most of the time.

As then i would never be able to use all the performance of my vehicle.

Well only if i did a quick oil change to the proper specified oil to ensure the level of protection deemed appropriate by the company that designed and built it.
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#3381843 - 05/26/14 10:30 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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Those of you scoffing at a hp rating being associated with a turbine engine are ignorant of the subject. A hp rating in an engine or motor is a mathematical, formulaic extraction based on torque and rpm. In an aircraft engine, thrust and aircraft speed, to put it simplistically, can be converted to hp. It is a straightforward mathematical formula. It is also more of an engineering construct than a "piloting" or aviating number. As a result, you don't often see it in aviation publications or articles, but you certainly see it in powerplant industry publications or articles and the like. It is not a 1:1 correlation, but thrust and hp numbers are often similar in a given high bypass turbine engine.
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#3386228 - 06/01/14 11:54 AM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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This car can have a much higher top speed. The limiting factor is not the engine or aerodynamics but the tires themselves. People comparing this to an S2000 is just funny. Don't get me wrong, the S2000 had a fantastic motor but these two cars aren't even in the same league.
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#3412881 - 07/02/14 08:05 PM Re: Bugatti required oil [Re: G-MAN]
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reading about ester oils some time ago + it was stated ONLY an ester oil can handle the heat of jet engines + the cost of the specially made ester oils used in jets is not changed is OUTRAGEOUS!!!

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