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#3355830 - 04/28/14 04:50 PM 2003 Pontiac Vibe , 5w30 nextgen, PL14477 ~7kmi
earlyre Offline


Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 2230
Loc: Lima, Ohio, USA
I new this one wasn't going to be pretty, This is my buddy's car, I change the oil just so I know that it gets done. Car has a well worn 175k mi, last 6-8,000 were over this last winter, polar vortex and all. Told him to take it somewhere and have the oil changed a couple months back (early Feb),he "never got around to it. "





Inspected the air Filter when i changed the oil,(K&N Drop in I bought when he got the car in summer '10 w/around 120k mi.) just about due for a Cleaning, but i Did Notice that one of the Clips that holds the airbox shut is missing. there's our phantom silicon.
next oil change, (october or sooner) I'll replace the K&N with a paper filter, and Ducttape the box shut....

Blackstone UOA PDF - for clearer reading

Filter Autopsy
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Mine:
09 Mercury Sable : .5qts PP(old) 5w30, 5qts PPPP 5w20, Wix 51516
Mine to Maintain:
03 Pontiac Vibe : 4.5 qts PP(old) 5w30, Fram Ultra XG4967

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#3355842 - 04/28/14 05:01 PM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe , 5w30 nextgen, PL14477 ~7kmi [Re: earlyre]
surfstar Offline


Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 4387
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
Wait, is this related: "Did the oil Change a week ago, couple days back drove a self tapping screw into the dome end, and drained the oil within(Nextgen Conv. 5w30), which was sent for a UOA. should be interesting."


i.e. - this ISN'T a "clean catch" sample?


Do not draw any conclusions from this UOA.


My $.02

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#3355994 - 04/28/14 06:51 PM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe , 5w30 nextgen, PL14477 ~7kmi [Re: earlyre]
earlyre Offline


Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 2230
Loc: Lima, Ohio, USA
yes, i made sure to tell them as much on the slip, and it's a cleaner sample than I'd have gotten from the drain pan. that got contaminated with degreaser before i had a sample kit available to me.

From Blackstone's FAQ page:http://www.blackstone-labs.com/faq.php

"What about the oil left in the filter? Can I use that instead?

Sure, just make a note on the slip that the oil came from the filter. If something really bizarre shows up, we'll take that into account. It shouldn't change much in the analysis, though."
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Mine:
09 Mercury Sable : .5qts PP(old) 5w30, 5qts PPPP 5w20, Wix 51516
Mine to Maintain:
03 Pontiac Vibe : 4.5 qts PP(old) 5w30, Fram Ultra XG4967

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#3356016 - 04/28/14 07:10 PM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe , 5w30 nextgen, PL14477 ~7kmi [Re: earlyre]
surfstar Offline


Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 4387
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
Never knew they would recommend that as a backup! Thanks for pointing that out. I would think that condensation could form possibly and that contaminants might get concentrated in oil adjacent to the filter media.

IMO, the engine is fine and not dying.

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#3356748 - 04/29/14 12:42 PM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe , 5w30 nextgen, PL14477 ~7kmi [Re: earlyre]
kwikrnu Offline


Registered: 12/04/03
Posts: 62
Loc: Brentwood Tennessee
I think it looks good.

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#3360541 - 05/03/14 09:12 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe , 5w30 nextgen, PL14477 ~7kmi [Re: earlyre]
fdcg27 Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 9410
Loc: OH
Given the miles run and the conditions under which the car was used, this isn't too horrible.
A mid-drain sample would probably have looked better, since you probably got some excess debris from the oil filter.
That wouldn't have changed TBN or moisture levels, though.
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#3362174 - 05/05/14 07:28 AM Re: 2003 Pontiac Vibe , 5w30 nextgen, PL14477 ~7kmi [Re: surfstar]
bigt61 Offline


Registered: 02/12/13
Posts: 1215
Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Wait, is this related: "Did the oil Change a week ago, couple days back drove a self tapping screw into the dome end, and drained the oil within(Nextgen Conv. 5w30), which was sent for a UOA. should be interesting."


i.e. - this ISN'T a "clean catch" sample?


Do not draw any conclusions from this UOA.


My $.02

+1 - it's an 11 year old beater with 175k miles and a suspect oil sample taken from the filter. (with a self tapping screw!) It's not going to die anytime soon - at least not from oil related engine failure. SuperTech oil was made with this car in mind.
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99 Olds Aurora 4.0L 91K M1_5w30 4yr OCI
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70 Camaro 5.7L 59k

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