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#3356277 - 04/28/14 10:20 PM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: c502cid]
FXjohn Offline


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Originally Posted By: c502cid
Interesting that 22lr hoarding is even associated with preppers in any conversation.


yeah comparing hoarders to preppers is a real stretch <chuckle>

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#3356284 - 04/28/14 10:26 PM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: sw99]
OVERKILL Offline


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Originally Posted By: sw99
Check your Army Navy Surplus stores. I bought 9 cases of Federal .22 for $199 a case.


How many are in a case?
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#3356322 - 04/28/14 11:48 PM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: grampi]
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Cabela's 2100 rounds of .22 in a ammo can for $79.95. I got lucky and caught it online but it is not available anymore.
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#3356464 - 04/29/14 07:32 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: Astro14]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
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Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: grampi


Oh, I'm sure the guy would love to confiscate everybody's guns and ammo, fortunately for us, he doesn't have the laws to back up those desires...


oh you're sure. that's why the panic I guess


Just a little education.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?240038-Found-on-Facebook


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American Rifleman had an extensive article on ammo supply. Simply put: consumer demand has gone way up. Factories are working 3 shifts to try and keep up and production has focused on the common calibers, but demand remains high.

I don't think it's the survivalist/prepper types that are driving up .22LR, frankly, it's the sport shooter that wants rounds for plinking.

The prepper types drove up demand for AR-15 magazines and .223/5.56mm last year and that demand has finally been met. While demand was high, folks were getting $100 (and higher) for a box of 90 rounds of .223.

That ammo is back in stock (and back to normal prices) and magazines are back down to $13 for a Magpul at my LGS (so, yeah, I bought a few more Magpul magazines and 1,000 rounds of XM193 last week for $420).

The Gov't doesn't use .22LR. Preppers don't. It's your fellow sport shooters that are causing the demand spike. It'll come back down in price and .22 LR availability will return to normal again.

But with gun sales doubling since 2008, the volume of .22LR (and other popular calibers like 9mm, .45ACP and .223/5.56mm) will never return to 2008 levels...there are too many new owners that want to shoot.


I think the problem with .22 ammo is the hoarders...it isn't sport shooters shooting it all up because it isn't available enough right now for sport shooters to be able to shoot it...the hoarders are buying it all up, then selling it a little at a time for 5 or 6 times the normal price....

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#3356498 - 04/29/14 08:03 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: grampi]
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Grampi - the point is: the only real demand for .22 is sport shooters.

No one else buys it. There are those who buy and resell it, just like in every caliber and in every commodity from oil to ammo and tulip bulbs (though that market has been stable for a few hundred years). But those resellers are selling to the only buyers of .22 out there: the sport shooter.

The supply of .22 is constrained, factories are working 3 shifts to produce it. So it's the demand that's driving up price and driving down availability. That demand comes from people that shoot and own .22 ( I am one of those by the way).

Are you seriously suggesting that mysterious groups of people who don't own .22 caliber guns are buying it just to keep it for no purpose? If so, that's one small weird group (maybe they keep it with their beanie babies...another bubble from a few years ago) and I don't see them creating significant demand.

I shoot with my daughter, who learned when she was 13. At 13, she was easily able to handle an AR-15. Perhaps it would be simpler to switch guns for now and wait until this bubble bursts. The AR-15 magazine and ammo bubble has burst. .22 will come back down.


Edited by Astro14 (04/29/14 08:04 AM)
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#3356499 - 04/29/14 08:04 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: Astro14]
hatt Offline


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Originally Posted By: Astro14


If everyone stopped buying .22LR, then yes, it would magically reappear...that's the nature of the supply/demand curve intersection and price point.

But hoping that everyone will stop buying something that they want is like hoping to see a unicorn...both magical and unlikely.
Not stop buying. Stop paying the neckbeards 2x/3x who bought the ammo an hour ago at Walmart. What's confusing about this?
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#3356506 - 04/29/14 08:12 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: hatt]
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Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: Astro14


If everyone stopped buying .22LR, then yes, it would magically reappear...that's the nature of the supply/demand curve intersection and price point.

But hoping that everyone will stop buying something that they want is like hoping to see a unicorn...both magical and unlikely.
Not stop buying. Stop paying the neckbeards 2x/3x who bought the ammo an hour ago at Walmart. What's confusing about this?


Same argument was made when the price of gasoline went up. Stop paying $3.00/gallon. Show the oil companies, bring demand down and they'll lower the price.

But no one was willing to stop driving, so the price stayed high. Still is.

The gasoline market has a few more factors but the point is the same: supply and demand.

You're asking for people to stop demanding ammo. Sure, in that case of falling demand, then the neck beards wouldn't be able to resell it, and they would stop buying it, and the price would fall. It's Econ 101.

So, how do you propose we stop people from buying so that the price will come down and you can buy? You don't see the circular nature of your complaint? "All you people stop buying so that I can buy"...do you think that's realistic?

.22 is being made. It's being sold. It's a market under pressure, but it will return to normal, just like Beanie Babies and Tulip bulbs...
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#3356516 - 04/29/14 08:26 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: grampi]
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It's not the same argument at all. Were you buying gas off craigslist for $6/gal the guy bought an hour earlier for $3?
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#3356522 - 04/29/14 08:35 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: grampi]
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If there was no demand, then people wouldn't pay that mark up.

But there is demand, so they will pay 3 times the price. And folks will get up early to meet the WM delivery truck to buy the ammo to make a few $$ on that mark up. At 3 boxes per customer, they're not making much, but because the demand is there, they're making it.

Without the demand, without the willingness of someone else to pay that mark up, it all collapses.

How do you propose reducing demand?
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#3356552 - 04/29/14 09:12 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: Astro14]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3612
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Grampi - the point is: the only real demand for .22 is sport shooters.

No one else buys it. There are those who buy and resell it, just like in every caliber and in every commodity from oil to ammo and tulip bulbs (though that market has been stable for a few hundred years). But those resellers are selling to the only buyers of .22 out there: the sport shooter.

The supply of .22 is constrained, factories are working 3 shifts to produce it. So it's the demand that's driving up price and driving down availability. That demand comes from people that shoot and own .22 ( I am one of those by the way).

Are you seriously suggesting that mysterious groups of people who don't own .22 caliber guns are buying it just to keep it for no purpose? If so, that's one small weird group (maybe they keep it with their beanie babies...another bubble from a few years ago) and I don't see them creating significant demand.

I shoot with my daughter, who learned when she was 13. At 13, she was easily able to handle an AR-15. Perhaps it would be simpler to switch guns for now and wait until this bubble bursts. The AR-15 magazine and ammo bubble has burst. .22 will come back down.


I'm not saying people who don't own .22s are buying up the ammo, I'm saying there are people who are buying 10s of thousands of rounds they have no intention of shooting themselves...they intend to sell most of it at absurdly high prices, which is completely unnecessary...I say leave it on the shelves so those of us who want to shoot can do so without having to pay ridiculously high ammo prices...the demand is no higher than it's ever been, it's only perceived to be higher because ammo hoarders have made buying ammo much more difficult...


Edited by grampi (04/29/14 09:14 AM)

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#3356563 - 04/29/14 09:25 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: Astro14]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3612
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: Astro14
If there was no demand, then people wouldn't pay that mark up.

But there is demand, so they will pay 3 times the price. And folks will get up early to meet the WM delivery truck to buy the ammo to make a few $$ on that mark up. At 3 boxes per customer, they're not making much, but because the demand is there, they're making it.

Without the demand, without the willingness of someone else to pay that mark up, it all collapses.

How do you propose reducing demand?


I already answered that question...limit the amount a person can buy...

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#3356576 - 04/29/14 09:45 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 03/22/06
Posts: 1445
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: sw99
Check your Army Navy Surplus stores. I bought 9 cases of Federal .22 for $199 a case.


How many are in a case?


5000
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#3356585 - 04/29/14 09:59 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: sw99]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 26459
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: sw99
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: sw99
Check your Army Navy Surplus stores. I bought 9 cases of Federal .22 for $199 a case.


How many are in a case?


5000


Good deal! I've been buying the buckets of 1400 for $69.00
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#3356598 - 04/29/14 10:18 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: sw99]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3612
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: sw99
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: sw99
Check your Army Navy Surplus stores. I bought 9 cases of Federal .22 for $199 a case.


How many are in a case?


5000


So you bought 45000 rounds of .22 ammo? Nuts!

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#3356600 - 04/29/14 10:19 AM Re: Are you able to buy ammo? [Re: OVERKILL]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3612
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: sw99
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: sw99
Check your Army Navy Surplus stores. I bought 9 cases of Federal .22 for $199 a case.


How many are in a case?


5000


Good deal! I've been buying the buckets of 1400 for $69.00


Would the be the Remington Goldens? That's not a bad price...I may see if I can pick up one...

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