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#3086379 - 08/05/13 10:35 AM Re: Chemistry of Brake Fluids [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Thanks for that. I, too, had heard such a thing mentioned. Of course, it's never something from a company that makes the stuff or in a sourced article. It's just mentioned in passing in some general tech article.


Exactly, inferential information from the Internet is dangerous.
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#3087147 - 08/06/13 01:48 AM Re: Chemistry of Brake Fluids [Re: MolaKule]
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I blame the German automakers. wink In North America, where everyone specifies DOT 3, few (if any) manufacturers call for a brake fluid replacement interval. The Germans, who tend to call for DOT 4, often do call for a replacement interval. Therefore, there must be something wrong with the DOT 4 fluid, rather than just a different take on maintenance, of course.
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#3087252 - 08/06/13 07:48 AM Re: Chemistry of Brake Fluids [Re: MolaKule]
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Some brand name cans say "Dot 3/4". I read this as it can be used either way or mixed. right or wrong?
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#3087726 - 08/06/13 03:52 PM Re: Chemistry of Brake Fluids [Re: tc1446]
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Thanks for the article Molakule!

Originally Posted By: tc1446
Some brand name cans say "Dot 3/4". I read this as it can be used either way or mixed. right or wrong?


Probably, just like motor oils. I personally wouldn't mix exclusively separate chemistries. Mixing different ethers/blends could, as Mola pointed out, change the boiling point of the resultant fluid, and this is where one enters into unknown-spec territory. Compatability-wise, if you had to do it, you could. shrug
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#3087920 - 08/06/13 06:43 PM Re: Chemistry of Brake Fluids [Re: tc1446]
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Originally Posted By: tc1446
Some brand name cans say "Dot 3/4". I read this as it can be used either way or mixed. right or wrong?


What the label is saying is that it is a DOT 4 fluid with a higher boiling point that can also be used in DOT 3 applications.

Again gentlemen and ladies, let us not compare brake fluid to motor oil or other fluids.

It is a very specialized hydraulic fluid and is hygroscopic which means it can absorb moisture, which means you need to change it every three years or less.

Let me stress again, Brake fluid is a SAFETY ITEM.
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#3157913 - 10/16/13 04:35 PM Re: Chemistry of Brake Fluids [Re: Tay]
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Originally Posted By: Tay
i read that DOT 5.1 is much more hygroscopic then DOT 4 and DOT 4 more then DOT 3.

is there any truth to this?


Not necessarily more total absorption for DOT 4, but they tend to absorb moisture at a higher rate. German cars take DOT 4 fluid, but require replacement every 2 years (in general), Asian cars take DOT 3 fluid, but only require replacement every 3 years.

Stoptech has a good white paper on this:
http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/brake-fluid

Originally Posted By: Stoptech
The real differentiating factor is that DOT 4 fluid should be changed more often than a DOT 3 fluid, because of the effects and rates of water absorption.
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#3162635 - 10/21/13 01:10 PM Re: Chemistry of Brake Fluids [Re: JHZR2]
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Thanks for the huge contribution in this forum.
I really like to read your articles. I like the way how you explain- with simple words expunging such complex area like modern fluid chemistry


Edited by miro (10/21/13 01:11 PM)

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#3352601 - 04/25/14 08:52 AM Re: Chemistry of Brake Fluids [Re: MolaKule]
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I've always wondered, why did the auto industry settle on glycol type brake fluid? The aircraft industry uses a petroleum based fluid, at least in my experience. Looks like ATF.

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#3353381 - 04/25/14 09:46 PM Re: Chemistry of Brake Fluids [Re: MolaKule]
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I think it was due to five things:

1. Brake fluid system pressure

2. brake line materials

3. seal materials

4. compressibility of comparative fluids

5. flammability and vapors


Edited by MolaKule (04/25/14 09:47 PM)
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