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Mobile Elite 222 is the replacement for Esso XD 3 in Canada. I have not purchased it for a while because the price was not compeditive with other good synthetics. The spring Mobile sale brought the price down to $5.95 a litre, which is very good for a premium synthetic oil in Canada. I purchased a case and noticed that on the box it came in it called the oil semi-synthetic. The bottle still calls it a full synthetic. I wrote to Mobile to ask which is correct but no answer. MY question is: Does anyone know what it really is. I believe it is full synthetic because it always has been but you never know what the manufactures are doing to save money. Thanks Roger
 
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Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0W-30
SAE Grade 0W-30
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 69
cSt @ 100ºC 12.2
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 176
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 0.99
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 7.7
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -45
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 215
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.842
 
Seems like they are making it in two semi-synthetic grades (10w-30 & 15w-40) & calling it '222' for the synthetic 0w-30 stuff. No more 0w-40 version it seems. Historically, that XD-3 by Imperial Oil was one of the best made oils. I expect that it is still darned good stuff. Haven't used it in years since my neighbourhod bulk dealer stopped selling locally. Too bad. It was a great value.

John.
 
Originally Posted By: RogerBacon
Is this good?
Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0W-30
SAE Grade 0W-30
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 69
cSt @ 100ºC 12.2
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 176
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 0.99
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 7.7
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -45
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 215
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.842


I seem to remember that this was touted as having a MUCH MUCH higher VI than what is stated above.

Did they recently lower it, or pull most of the VIIs out of it??
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I seem to remember that this was touted as having a MUCH MUCH higher VI than what is stated above.

I can't think of another 0w-30 with an HTHS => 3.5 with a higher VI.
 
I could have sworn that some Canucks were saying it had a VI in the ~220 range in the past.
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The RLI 0W-30 is at 193 with a 3.7 HTHSV, but I'm guessing you are talking about NON boutique, 'on the shelf' (at least where you live) oils?
 
I'm not sure; that seems exceedingly high. Unfortunately, the Esso XD-3 0w-30 sheets have disappeared and I don't think I archived them. Maybe Caterham remembers if the VI is the same as it always was.

And yes, I'm talking about readily available oils.
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There are all kinds of fancy things available if one wishes to go on a major hunt and spend a lot of money. Then again, Delvac Elite 222 isn't readily available in the States, either.
 
Finally got an e-mail from Esso that told me to call them. I had a very unpleasant conversation with a 'tech specialist. I asked him why it said syn. blend on the box and syn. on the bottle and he told me they are having an internal problem. I asked what it was and he said his data sheets says it is a blend. I asked him more questions like when, why the price, false advertising? and his only answer was "my data sheets say it is a blend. He became quite angry at me and told me he had answered all my question and at that point I said thank-you and hung up. Imperial oil has lost another customer. I am sure they could not care less. Roger
 
Mobil Elite 222 0W-30 is synthetic and Mobil Elite 10W-30 & 15W-40 are synthetic-blend as far as I understand.

Did your box refer to the 0W-30 viscosity at all?
 
Originally Posted By: Reg# 43897
No more 0w-40 version it seems. Historically, that XD-3 by Imperial Oil was one of the best made oils. I expect that it is still darned good stuff. John.

The 0W-40 (Mobil Delvac 1 ESP) is readily available even at Cdn Tire, but the best deal is at NAPA for $7.19/l.

As for Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0W-30, the original XD-3 0W-30 was PAO based and had an incredibly low 14,900cP MRV for a 3.5cP oil. The spec's that have been shown for the Delvac Elite 222 are the same as for XD-3 (the 176 VI is same). What we really need to know is if the MRV is the same as that will tell us if it is still PAO based or not. But the noise about it being a syn-blend is not encouraging.
 
Originally Posted By: RogerBacon
The box says 0w30 and it is an (over priced) syn. blend according to the specialist.

Remember that the specialist may consider Group III a synthetic technology type thing, or may consider a mix of base stocks a blend, which is completely different than how marketing people will view such a thing. Heck, he may not even be able to get into base stocks in great depth.

Nonetheless, it's hardly overpriced. Go grab a one litre bottle of Mobil Super 2000 off the shelf at Canadian Tire for comparison. That's almost a dollar more.
 
A better question: Why do want to use an HDEO in a passenger-car application? It's not really tailored for that purpose, even though it meets some (but not all) of the SM specs and is allowed to be sold as dual-spec. Besides, SN is a better spec than SM.
 
Roger,

I last purchased Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0w30 in the spring of 2011. At that time, the box said synthetic blend while the bottle said synthetic. I remember comparing the spec sheet of the Elite 222 to the old XD-3 0w30 (supposedly PAO-based) and they were identical. It's pretty sad that they're still having "internal problems" three years later. Doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence - and I don't use it anymore.

Also,the VI was always 176, not 200+.
 
Originally Posted By: Uregina09
Also,the VI was always 176, not 200+.


OK, I must have been confusing it with some other readily available in the northland only 0W-30.
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I found it in 5 gallon pails from the provincial distributor. My cousin buys all their oils,filters grease,etc for their farm from them and I got a smokin deal on it. I didn't pay no 7 bucks a litre either.
I love the stuff. I used it in our forklift this winter.
 
The '0W''s have always been a full-synthetic formulation, while the other grades are syn-blends.

It gets confusing b/c both products used to be on the same TDS.
 
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
A better question: Why do want to use an HDEO in a passenger-car application?

I may get some of the Delvac Elite 222 0w-30 as well. Its price is fantastic and I do prefer 5 gallon pails. Its VI is hard to beat and its cold cranking specs (at least last time we knew them) are phenomenal. Maybe that's what my F-150 needs, since it's always outside.
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