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As many of you know the Hyundai manual recommends either 5W-30/40 for my car. They never mention anything about 0W-30 or 0W-40.

Is there anything from an engineering standpoint that would not allow 0W-40 to be used in a tubo DI motor?

I would love to use M1 0W-40, it's relatively cheap and easy to find.
 
Use it with confidence, great choice and will exceed the recommended standard. I'd even go for M1 AFE 0W-30 if I were you.

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From an engineering standpoint? No, 0w40 will work great. I would rather use Mobil 1 0W40 than any 5w40 on the market for gas engines. It's got more certifications per dollar than anything. (if you shop at wally)
 
So technically, it won't cause any problems. I wonder why they didn't just spec the car for a 0W oil.
 
I use M1 0W-40 in my sonata and she runs great. No idea why 0W-40 is not specified for use in turbo.
 
Originally Posted By: gixxersix04
I use M1 0W-40 in my sonata and she runs great. No idea why 0W-40 is not specified for use in turbo.


I just checked Mobil 1's website, they actually recommend 0W-30. I sent them a message asking them about 0W-40.

Is there any benefit to using 5W over 0W???? I'm just wondering if there's some mechanical need for 5W.
 
Originally Posted By: Swift101
As many of you know the Hyundai manual recommends either 5W-30/40 for my car. They never mention anything about 0W-30 or 0W-40.

Is there anything from an engineering standpoint that would not allow 0W-40 to be used in a tubo DI motor?

I would love to use M1 0W-40, it's relatively cheap and easy to find.



They probably spec the 5W oils as they tend to be conventional based oil, instead of 0W oils, which are typically viewed as synthetic oils.

And chances are they do that simply because they don't want to alienate their potential clients who don't want to pay extra for synthetic oils.

BC.
 
Originally Posted By: Swift101
Originally Posted By: gixxersix04
I use M1 0W-40 in my sonata and she runs great. No idea why 0W-40 is not specified for use in turbo.


I just checked Mobil 1's website, they actually recommend 0W-30. I sent them a message asking them about 0W-40.

Is there any benefit to using 5W over 0W???? I'm just wondering if there's some mechanical need for 5W.


Possibly due to Hyundai engines shearing oils rather quickly (DI and turbo) and oils with a wider viscosity spread may shear down more quickly. In any case, while under warranty, I recommend using only the grades recommended by Hyundai. Less potential headaches in the future...
 
Originally Posted By: Danno
Possibly due to Hyundai engines shearing oils rather quickly (DI and turbo) and oils with a wider viscosity spread may shear down more quickly.

As opposed to the European turbocharged direct injection engines that call for M1 0w-40?
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Originally Posted By: Eddie
Or Hyundai didn't test it yet?


The 2011 Sonata was the first year to introduce DI & Turbo DI. I'm not sure when M1 0W-40 became available (or at least widely used), but it might be possible that due to its low popularity at the time Hyundai felt it wouldn't be necessary to mention it.

Or it could be that mentioning 0W-40 would imply synthetic would be necessary. However that argument falls apart somewhat since they mention 5W-40, which from what I can tell only comes as a synthetic.

In the 2011 manual they mentioned 5W-40 should be used for "maximum performance", whatever that means. In the 2012 and up manuals they removed that paragraph. But they still show 5W-40 as an option under the oil recommendation chart.

It looks like Hyundai leans toward 5W-30 since it offers marginally better fuel economy. Perhaps they don't want to scare away potential buyers by making this car require synthetic only. There claim that dino is good enough. It may be good enough for 100,000 miles, but after that the warranty is up.

I wouldn't be surprised if some turbo models develop problems later on in life. I'm not saying owners will have issues if they only use dino, but it's just something to think about. The turbo used is made by Mitsubishi, it's a TD04 variant. I'm sure they did all kinds of testing to make sure dino was adequate but Hyundai is relatively new to the turbo game.
 
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Originally Posted By: Swift101

I wouldn't be surprised if some turbo models develop problems later on in life. I'm not saying owners will have issues if they only use dino, but it's just something to think about. The turbo used is made by Mitsubishi, it's a TD04 variant. I'm sure they did all kinds of testing to make sure dino was adequate but Hyundai is relatively new to the turbo game.

Hyundai isn't new to making turbo engines.
The Scoupe had a turbo engine, and that was back in 1990.
 
Before the Santa Fe Turbo, I owned an EVO8 and a Ralliart (2010 jr. Evo), both ran almost exclusively on dino. The EVO was sold with 245,000 miles. But OCI never went past 3500 miles.

I know artificialist, every turbo vehicle you've worked on, using dino, has shown varnish.
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As I mentioned I'm sure they did a ton of testing, using synthetic gives just gives me peace of mind. Perhaps it's unnecessary but only time will tell.
 
It wont cause any harm. That's for sure. Reaearching and questioning are good things.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Danno
Possibly due to Hyundai engines shearing oils rather quickly (DI and turbo) and oils with a wider viscosity spread may shear down more quickly.

As opposed to the European turbocharged direct injection engines that call for M1 0w-40?
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Such as?
 
Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Danno
Possibly due to Hyundai engines shearing oils rather quickly (DI and turbo) and oils with a wider viscosity spread may shear down more quickly.

As opposed to the European turbocharged direct injection engines that call for M1 0w-40?
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Such as?


Mercedes (and Mercedes AMG), Audi, VW, Porsche

And of course that same lube also carries LL-01 for use in the vast majority of BMW cars as well.
 
Originally Posted By: Danno
Such as?

Starting with a variety of VW diesels, and going on to what Overkill listed. I highly doubt that a Hyundai would be the most demanding application that M1 0w-40 could possibly face.
 
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