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#3362481 - 05/05/14 02:18 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: smokey422]
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My '03 passat requires a 75w-90, around 14 cst. MTL is a 70w-80. The engines that sit transverse do use the thin gear oil in the tranny.


Edited by glxpassat (05/05/14 02:20 PM)

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#3362516 - 05/05/14 02:51 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: glxpassat]
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Originally Posted By: glxpassat
My '03 passat requires a 75w-90, around 14 cst. MTL is a 70w-80. The engines that sit transverse do use the thin gear oil in the tranny.


They spec 75w-90. They do not use 75W-90. This has been gone over thousands of times. Check the UOA/VOAS of the VW/Audi fluids. They are nowhere near 75W-90.

Fuchs 75W FE is rebottled as the OEM fluid unless something has changed again.
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#3362552 - 05/05/14 03:24 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: smokey422]
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I had a voa done of the G052-911 which is correct for my car that I bought at the dealer and it was 14.5 cst. There are quite a few different VW G052-XXX fluids.

My VOA


Edited by glxpassat (05/05/14 03:37 PM)

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#3362579 - 05/05/14 03:44 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: smokey422]
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Volkswagen Gear Oil Specifications - http://www.oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php


VW G 052 911
Audi specification for transmissions used with longitudinal engine configurations. Products meeting this specification are of SAE 75W90 viscosity and also meet API GL-5 criteria.

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#3363140 - 05/06/14 08:18 AM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: glxpassat]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: glxpassat


Volkswagen Gear Oil Specifications - http://www.oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php


VW G 052 911
Audi specification for transmissions used with longitudinal engine configurations. Products meeting this specification are of SAE 75W90 viscosity and also meet API GL-5 criteria.


Look up the fluids that meet that spec:

http://www.fuchs-europe.com/products/lubricants-motors-machinery/gear-oils/gear-oils-passenger0.html

http://www.eurol.com/en/37-products/3129-eurol-mtf-75w-80-gl5.html

http://news.blauparts.com/20140505-prerelease-vw-gearbox-oil-g-052-911-a2


As you can see, VW/Audi will say 75W-90 in the user manual and other places but their actual performance specs for the fluids are much thinner. This seems to be typical for all modern VW/Audis out there. Thicker fluids from all the major euro fluid makers (75W90) do not meet the VW spec.


Edited by badtlc (05/06/14 08:19 AM)
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#3363341 - 05/06/14 12:24 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: smokey422]
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Originally Posted By: smokey422
We have a 2014 VW Passat that I love with the 5 speed manual shift and although Amsoil makes an approved motor oil, they don't have an approved gear lube. ....


As a point of order.

Amsoil may make an oil they "recommend" for it or say is "suitable", however there is no Amsoil product listed on the Official VAG Approved Engine Oils .

I would encourage one to understand the distinction.
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#3363369 - 05/06/14 12:57 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: DuckRyder]
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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: smokey422
We have a 2014 VW Passat that I love with the 5 speed manual shift and although Amsoil makes an approved motor oil, they don't have an approved gear lube. ....


As a point of order.

Amsoil may make an oil they "recommend" for it or say is "suitable", however there is no Amsoil product listed on the Official VAG Approved Engine Oils .

I would encourage one to understand the distinction.


Just an FYI but AMSOIL has actually started to pursue the official Euro approvals. Their mid-SAPS product, AFL for example, sports the following OEM approvals:

BMW Longlife-04
MB-Approval 229.51
Porsche A40

I would expect an official VW approval to be coming up, though as noted, it does not carry one currently. smile
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#3363548 - 05/06/14 04:11 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 10/20/05
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
...
Just an FYI but AMSOIL has actually started to pursue the official Euro approvals. Their mid-SAPS product, AFL for example, sports the following OEM approvals:

BMW Longlife-04
MB-Approval 229.51
Porsche A40

I would expect an official VW approval to be coming up, though as noted, it does not carry one currently. smile


I actually consider that good news... Looking forward to the update...
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#3363619 - 05/06/14 05:21 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: badtlc]
glxpassat Offline


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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Look up the fluids that meet that spec:


"Recommendations" and "suitable for" is not the same as meeting spec or having VW approval. You have to believe their claim that it will work. Good luck with that if your tranny dies under warranty.

All I know is my voa of VW fluid shows the fluid is thick. The Ravenol does not meet GL-5 so I don't know how they can make the claim of meeting spec.


Edited by glxpassat (05/06/14 05:23 PM)

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#3366327 - 05/09/14 08:05 AM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: smokey422]
gregoron Offline


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Originally Posted By: smokey422
We have a 2014 VW Passat that I love with the 5 speed manual shift and although Amsoil makes an approved motor oil, they don't have an approved gear lube. I like Amsoil gear lubes ever since the first change I put in my 1983 Ford Ranger 4 speed manual pickup. Does anyone know if Amsoil plans on making a gear lube for my Passat?


I'd just stick with the factory recommended VAG manual transmission fluid. I wouldn't call it gear lube as that's for a different application. I've tried RL MT90 on my 2000 Jetta and I liked the OEM MTF better. I'll be switching to it next year.
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#3373304 - 05/16/14 01:28 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: smokey422]
benjy Offline


Registered: 08/23/10
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Loc: pa
i use Amsoil oils but Redline gear lubes. put MT-90 in my O2J VW 5 speed, it helped shifting a lot. it took about a thousand miles though, wonder why. put it in mt TT's O2M i believe 6 spd manual as well

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#3376294 - 05/20/14 09:21 AM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: badtlc]
simple_simon Offline


Registered: 01/26/11
Posts: 103
Loc: Indianapolis, IN
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: glxpassat
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Redline MTL would have been the appropriate fluid, not MT90.


Not if the motor sits longitudinal and uses a spiral bevel gear in the transmission.


Audi/VW use very thin OEM MTF. Usually under 7 cSt at 100C. Redline MTL is much closer to that than MT90.


Then RP Synchromax should be the choice. Same as BMWs. Much better than anything offered by Redline or Amsoil in that category.

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#3412891 - 07/02/14 08:11 PM Re: VW Passat- Amsoil does not make a gear lube [Re: smokey422]
benjy Offline


Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 158
Loc: pa
many years ago in my 01 jetta O2J 5 speed i had run Amsoil series 2000 in my gearbox-transaxle, after several thousand miles shifting deteriorated, switched to MT-90 + forever happy. using it in my 01 TT 6 speed now, more satisfaction again. i do use Amsoil's REAL synthetic oils though


Edited by benjy (07/02/14 08:12 PM)

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