wemay
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Is it an absolute that a higher NOACK makes their new synthetics irrefutably worse? Might we all be jumping the gun here?
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Pennzoil PurePlus synthetics, NOACK = quality?
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Does Pennzoil PurePlus have more NOACK than SuperTech ?
wemay
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Didn't they ever teach you never to answer a question with a question?
Heck, look at all the tests Pennzoil Ultra passed. It's gotta be good stuff if it can do all that.
It even passed the Corvette 4718M test !! And look at all the stars its got !!
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3 out of 3 (100%) reviewers recommend this product
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FORMULATIONS AVAILABLE GRADES
Ultra (North American
and Japanese/Asian OEMs)
SAE 5W-20
SAE 5W-30
SAE 10W-30
Ultra Euro L (Diesel
and some Gasoline)
SAE 5W-30
Ultra Euro
SAE 5W-40
Product Data Sheet
ABOUTBENEFITSSPECIFICATIONSWARRANTYREVIEWS
Pennzoil Ultra™
Ultra Class Synthetic Motor Oil
Industry specifications:
API SN, SM, SL and SJ
ILSAC GF-5
Exceeds ILSAC GF-5 engine cleansing and protection requirements
OEM specifications:
GM 4718M (Corvette and Cadillac)
Chrysler MS-6395 (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
GM 6094M (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C945-A and WSS-M2C929-A (SAE 5W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C946-A and WSS-M2C930-A (SAE 5W-20)
HTO-06
Specifications may vary by viscosity grade.
Pennzoil Ultra™ Euro
Ultra Class Synthetic Motor Oil
Euro 5W-40
Ferrari – Exclusive to Pennzoil Ultra™ in the USA
Porsche A40
Mercedes Benz 229.5 and 229.3
VW 502 00 and 505 00
VW/Audi 503 01
Fiat 9.55535 Z2
BMW LL-01
Chrysler MS-10725
Exceeds the requirements of ACEA A3/B3/B4
Exceeds the requirements of API SM/CF and previous categories
Euro L 5W-30
VW 504 00 and 507 00
Porsche C30
Mercedes Benz 229.51
BMW LL-04
Fiat 9.55535-S1
Chrysler MS-11106
Exceeds the requirements of ACEA C2, C3 and A3/B4
It even passed the Corvette 4718M test !! And look at all the stars its got !!
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5 out of 5 stars. Read reviews.
5 out of 5 rating.5.0 Rating out of 5 stars. 3 Reviews
3 out of 3 (100%) reviewers recommend this product
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FORMULATIONS AVAILABLE GRADES
Ultra (North American
and Japanese/Asian OEMs)
SAE 5W-20
SAE 5W-30
SAE 10W-30
Ultra Euro L (Diesel
and some Gasoline)
SAE 5W-30
Ultra Euro
SAE 5W-40
Product Data Sheet
ABOUTBENEFITSSPECIFICATIONSWARRANTYREVIEWS
Pennzoil Ultra™
Ultra Class Synthetic Motor Oil
Industry specifications:
API SN, SM, SL and SJ
ILSAC GF-5
Exceeds ILSAC GF-5 engine cleansing and protection requirements
OEM specifications:
GM 4718M (Corvette and Cadillac)
Chrysler MS-6395 (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
GM 6094M (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C945-A and WSS-M2C929-A (SAE 5W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C946-A and WSS-M2C930-A (SAE 5W-20)
HTO-06
Specifications may vary by viscosity grade.
Pennzoil Ultra™ Euro
Ultra Class Synthetic Motor Oil
Euro 5W-40
Ferrari – Exclusive to Pennzoil Ultra™ in the USA
Porsche A40
Mercedes Benz 229.5 and 229.3
VW 502 00 and 505 00
VW/Audi 503 01
Fiat 9.55535 Z2
BMW LL-01
Chrysler MS-10725
Exceeds the requirements of ACEA A3/B3/B4
Exceeds the requirements of API SM/CF and previous categories
Euro L 5W-30
VW 504 00 and 507 00
Porsche C30
Mercedes Benz 229.51
BMW LL-04
Fiat 9.55535-S1
Chrysler MS-11106
Exceeds the requirements of ACEA C2, C3 and A3/B4
It has a much higher heat resistance and film strength.
Therefore, it is a better lubricant.
There is no complicated answer here.
What makes things complicated is "good enough" gets the job done.
I think the new line of oils just gives Shell more freedom in selling off excess GTL stock and allows them to stay in a Noack% envelope that doesn't limit them to using "the best of the best" base stock.
Fact is, they have the best widely available base stock on the market right now, but it is overkill for most applications at the lowest ~5% NOACK grade.
Therefore, it is a better lubricant.
There is no complicated answer here.
What makes things complicated is "good enough" gets the job done.
I think the new line of oils just gives Shell more freedom in selling off excess GTL stock and allows them to stay in a Noack% envelope that doesn't limit them to using "the best of the best" base stock.
Fact is, they have the best widely available base stock on the market right now, but it is overkill for most applications at the lowest ~5% NOACK grade.
Are you talking about old Ultra, or the new Ultra Platinum passing all those tests?
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Heck, look at all the tests Pennzoil Ultra passed. It's gotta be good stuff if it can do all that.
It even passed the Corvette 4718M test !! And look at all the stars its got !!
Quote:
5 out of 5 stars. Read reviews.
5 out of 5 rating.5.0 Rating out of 5 stars. 3 Reviews
3 out of 3 (100%) reviewers recommend this product
WRITE A REVIEW . This action will open a modal dialog.
FORMULATIONS AVAILABLE GRADES
Ultra (North American
and Japanese/Asian OEMs)
SAE 5W-20
SAE 5W-30
SAE 10W-30
Ultra Euro L (Diesel
and some Gasoline)
SAE 5W-30
Ultra Euro
SAE 5W-40
Product Data Sheet
ABOUTBENEFITSSPECIFICATIONSWARRANTYREVIEWS
Pennzoil Ultra™
Ultra Class Synthetic Motor Oil
Industry specifications:
API SN, SM, SL and SJ
ILSAC GF-5
Exceeds ILSAC GF-5 engine cleansing and protection requirements
OEM specifications:
GM 4718M (Corvette and Cadillac)
Chrysler MS-6395 (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
GM 6094M (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C945-A and WSS-M2C929-A (SAE 5W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C946-A and WSS-M2C930-A (SAE 5W-20)
HTO-06
Specifications may vary by viscosity grade.
Pennzoil Ultra™ Euro
Ultra Class Synthetic Motor Oil
Euro 5W-40
Ferrari – Exclusive to Pennzoil Ultra™ in the USA
Porsche A40
Mercedes Benz 229.5 and 229.3
VW 502 00 and 505 00
VW/Audi 503 01
Fiat 9.55535 Z2
BMW LL-01
Chrysler MS-10725
Exceeds the requirements of ACEA A3/B3/B4
Exceeds the requirements of API SM/CF and previous categories
Euro L 5W-30
VW 504 00 and 507 00
Porsche C30
Mercedes Benz 229.51
BMW LL-04
Fiat 9.55535-S1
Chrysler MS-11106
Exceeds the requirements of ACEA C2, C3 and A3/B4
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Heck, look at all the tests Pennzoil Ultra passed. It's gotta be good stuff if it can do all that.
It even passed the Corvette 4718M test !! And look at all the stars its got !!
Quote:
5 out of 5 stars. Read reviews.
5 out of 5 rating.5.0 Rating out of 5 stars. 3 Reviews
3 out of 3 (100%) reviewers recommend this product
WRITE A REVIEW . This action will open a modal dialog.
FORMULATIONS AVAILABLE GRADES
Ultra (North American
and Japanese/Asian OEMs)
SAE 5W-20
SAE 5W-30
SAE 10W-30
Ultra Euro L (Diesel
and some Gasoline)
SAE 5W-30
Ultra Euro
SAE 5W-40
Product Data Sheet
ABOUTBENEFITSSPECIFICATIONSWARRANTYREVIEWS
Pennzoil Ultra™
Ultra Class Synthetic Motor Oil
Industry specifications:
API SN, SM, SL and SJ
ILSAC GF-5
Exceeds ILSAC GF-5 engine cleansing and protection requirements
OEM specifications:
GM 4718M (Corvette and Cadillac)
Chrysler MS-6395 (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
GM 6094M (SAE 5W-20, SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C945-A and WSS-M2C929-A (SAE 5W-30)
FORD WSS-M2C946-A and WSS-M2C930-A (SAE 5W-20)
HTO-06
Specifications may vary by viscosity grade.
Pennzoil Ultra™ Euro
Ultra Class Synthetic Motor Oil
Euro 5W-40
Ferrari – Exclusive to Pennzoil Ultra™ in the USA
Porsche A40
Mercedes Benz 229.5 and 229.3
VW 502 00 and 505 00
VW/Audi 503 01
Fiat 9.55535 Z2
BMW LL-01
Chrysler MS-10725
Exceeds the requirements of ACEA A3/B3/B4
Exceeds the requirements of API SM/CF and previous categories
Euro L 5W-30
VW 504 00 and 507 00
Porsche C30
Mercedes Benz 229.51
BMW LL-04
Fiat 9.55535-S1
Chrysler MS-11106
Exceeds the requirements of ACEA C2, C3 and A3/B4
Originally Posted By: Falken
It has a much higher heat resistance and film strength.
How do you arrive at those conclusions based on the TDS that they have posted? It doesn't even list HTHS, so how can anybody make conclusions about film strength?
It has a much higher heat resistance and film strength.
How do you arrive at those conclusions based on the TDS that they have posted? It doesn't even list HTHS, so how can anybody make conclusions about film strength?
Doesn't NOACK reflect molecular uniformity of the fluid- which besides molecular homogeny of the base oils, also includes additive 'adulterants' within it's scope?
for example, a Sae xW30 grade oil composed of say 35% 4cst and 65% 12cst bases vs one made with all 10cst base- both adjusted for correct Vis. Wouldn't the former have a higher NOACK than the latter?
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Falken
It has a much higher heat resistance and film strength.
How do you arrive at those conclusions based on the TDS that they have posted? It doesn't even list HTHS, so how can anybody make conclusions about film strength?
In the absence of an actual value, that would be more a generality, which is usually correct.
for example, a Sae xW30 grade oil composed of say 35% 4cst and 65% 12cst bases vs one made with all 10cst base- both adjusted for correct Vis. Wouldn't the former have a higher NOACK than the latter?
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Falken
It has a much higher heat resistance and film strength.
How do you arrive at those conclusions based on the TDS that they have posted? It doesn't even list HTHS, so how can anybody make conclusions about film strength?
In the absence of an actual value, that would be more a generality, which is usually correct.
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