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#3336454 - 04/08/14 01:17 AM Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils?
Spetz Offline


Registered: 01/23/14
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Loc: Australia
I haven't seen fully synthetic diesel oils.
Do these exist?

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#3336462 - 04/08/14 01:40 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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Maybe I am misunderstanding the question, but aren't Rotella T6 and Mobil 1 turbo diesel both synthetic diesel oils?
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#3336483 - 04/08/14 04:19 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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Delvac 1, too, and some of the Chevron Delo series.
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#3336486 - 04/08/14 04:40 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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Castrol LL03 Professional Low SAPS


Edited by Boomer (04/08/14 04:41 AM)
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#3336523 - 04/08/14 06:34 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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RedLine 15w40.
AMSoil has many fully synthetic diesel oils.
Schaeffer's 9000 5w40.
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#3336531 - 04/08/14 06:44 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: A_Harman]
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
RedLine 15w40.
AMSoil has many fully synthetic diesel oils.
Schaeffer's 9000 5w40.

Yep.
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#3336552 - 04/08/14 07:14 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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OP in Australia. Maybe not available in his country.
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#3336562 - 04/08/14 07:34 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: dernp]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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The Delvac 1 line will certainly be available in Australia.
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#3336574 - 04/08/14 07:53 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
supercity Offline


Registered: 06/12/12
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Loc: Melbourne, Australia
I don't think I've seen a C3 rated lube that's not full synthetic!

If you are talking HDEO, mineral 15w40 is dominant but Delvac 1 5w40, Penrite Enviro 10w40 and Castrol Vecton 10w40 are all full syn.

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#3336577 - 04/08/14 07:55 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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Red Line wholesale distributor in Australia:

Rocket Industries
40 Huntingwood Drive Huntingwood, NSW 2148

Huntingwood, NS
(02) 8825 1900

If they're not closeby, perhaps they could ship you the oil or point you to a local retailer.
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#3336631 - 04/08/14 09:00 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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In the HDEO market it aint so important
to be "syntetic", performance and cost is what counts...
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#3337125 - 04/08/14 07:04 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: ac_tc]
Garak Offline


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Of course, provided one can get the viscosities one needs. A 15w-40 conventional can meet some very stringent specifications and is very cost effective. It isn't particularly useful when it's -40 outside, though, unless you take other precautions. In the PCMO world, however, more run of the mill viscosities are available in conventional and synthetic (i.e. 5w-30 is readily available in either form, whereas a 0w-40 is another matter).
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#3337424 - 04/09/14 02:35 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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When its -40 outside nothing will start anyway unless
you can heat it some way....
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#3337435 - 04/09/14 03:46 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: ac_tc]
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Certainly, but it's best to get 15w-40 out of the oil pan of diesel engines in such temperatures. Generally speaking, though, when it comes to gassers, carbed engines will occasionally start when it's really not in their best interests to do so. I've had plenty of vehicles that would start rather easily in -40 temperatures, and in such cases, it would pay to have a suitable viscosity in the pan - i.e. not 15w-40 or worse.
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#3338479 - 04/10/14 07:57 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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That is why those of us with commercial heavy diesels use block and oil pan heaters. Starts like a warm summer day even in minus territory. Even on my gassers when I lived in Alaska, we used block and oil pan heaters. Oil pan heaters are so cheap for what they deliver, and don't use much power at all. I am surprised more folks don't use them instead of playing "what if" games with oils in cold weather.
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#3338487 - 04/10/14 08:05 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
Swampyy Offline


Registered: 03/29/13
Posts: 10
Loc: Western Australia
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen fully synthetic diesel oils.
Do these exist?

In Australia..

Penrite
Mobil
Shell
Nulon
Castrol
Motul
Redline ...

The list goes on and on.....

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#3340003 - 04/11/14 05:09 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Swampyy]
Provi Offline


Registered: 11/29/11
Posts: 283
Loc: Dunbar, WV USA
Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5w-40 is what I use.
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#3341166 - 04/13/14 02:49 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: TiredTrucker]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11606
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
I am surprised more folks don't use them instead of playing "what if" games with oils in cold weather.

I have used them and still use them. That doesn't mean one shouldn't choose viscosity appropriately though, either.
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#3341180 - 04/13/14 03:25 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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Registered: 09/05/05
Posts: 1041
Loc: western australia

http://zddplus.labecon.com/TechBrief6%20...e%20Engines.pdf

Have a read of article attached to above link.

Diesel engines oils and petrol engine oils have differing performance requirements.
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#3341191 - 04/13/14 04:30 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: virginoil]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: virginoil
Diesel engines oils and petrol engine oils have differing performance requirements.

And ZDDPlus does have a competing interest - selling their own product. wink
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#3341733 - 04/13/14 05:55 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: virginoil]
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Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1704
Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: virginoil

http://zddplus.labecon.com/TechBrief6%20...e%20Engines.pdf

Have a read of article attached to above link.

Diesel engines oils and petrol engine oils have differing performance requirements.


I have not seen an oil for sale that isn't specced for diesel and petrol engines that I can remember.

Even cheap mineral oils are A3/B3 (Acea)
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#3342132 - 04/14/14 06:38 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: bigjl]
supercity Offline


Registered: 06/12/12
Posts: 889
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: bigjl


I have not seen an oil for sale that isn't specced for diesel and petrol engines that I can remember.

Even cheap mineral oils are A3/B3 (Acea)


ACEA light duty specs (A,B) usually if not always go hand in hand. ACEA C can of course be used for either petrol or diesel too. ACEA heavy duty, API and JASO diesel spec oils dont usually have hand in hand petrol specs.

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#3342749 - 04/14/14 06:18 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
Spetz Offline


Registered: 01/23/14
Posts: 164
Loc: Australia
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel.
Just some which are for petrol and diesel.


I wanted a diesel fully synthetic to clean out the inside of the motor (since from what I understand diesel oils have more cleaning agents)

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#3342784 - 04/14/14 06:58 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11606
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel. Just some which are for petrol and diesel.

That's what you want to use - dual rated oils. You do NOT want to be using a diesel-only oil, since most of those, particularly in your part of the world, will have no gasoline approval and will be completely different from a normal CJ-4 type diesel lube. You don't want to be using a diesel only CF-2, CF type lube in a gasser or "normal" diesel. This is the type of lube you definitely want to avoid. I haven't seen such an oil in synthetic only, either. Maybe Doug or Charlie have, but I certainly haven't.

If you want a sensible synthetic HDEO, I'd stick with a proper dual rated one from Shell, Chevron, Castrol, or Mobil.
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#3342964 - 04/14/14 09:26 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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Registered: 09/23/07
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Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel.
Just some which are for petrol and diesel.


I wanted a diesel fully synthetic to clean out the inside of the motor (since from what I understand diesel oils have more cleaning agents)

You might not be able to get Motorcraft HDEO in Australia, but it does say CJ-4 only, and says "Don't use in gasoline engines with catalytic converters."

However, the second part is only a concern if the engine has an oil burning problem, or is covered by a special warranty.

The oil is very similar from other ConocoPhillips oils that are rated CJ-4/SM.

If you want a synthetic HDEO, having something that says CJ-4/SM is fine.
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#3343198 - 04/15/14 06:53 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: artificialist]
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Registered: 09/05/05
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Loc: western australia
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel. Just some which are for petrol and diesel.
I wanted a diesel ………………….


You might not be able to get Motorcraft HDEO in Australia, but it does say CJ-4 only, and says "Don't use in gasoline engines with catalytic converters."

However, the second part is only a concern if the engine has an oil burning problem, or is covered by a special warranty.


If Ford says it’s a concern I would not risk it. Nothing has changed since the Garden of Eden in this respect, if the OEM says do this, who is leading the temptation to do otherwise and with what guarantee ?

Yep is all risk based I know but this thinking still makes me shiver as to why.


Edited by virginoil (04/15/14 06:58 AM)
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#3343201 - 04/15/14 06:56 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: virginoil]
Garak Offline


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I wonder what the situation is with Ford in Australia. Only North American arms of automakers seem to have this absolute terror about HDEOs.
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#3343343 - 04/15/14 10:24 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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Oils that are ACEA E6 and E9 (almost the same as CJ4) are usually also petrol rated due to ash limits of 1.0%. Likewise ACEA E7 (corresponding sometimes to CI4+) are also usually petrol related due to ash contents mostly <1.5%.
OTOH ACEA E4 oils have a limit of 2.0% and actual ash levels in the 1.6-1.9% range and aren't petrol rated.
Very few E4 oils are sold in the US, I get mine via Mobil marine distributor. In Australia I know one can get Shell Rimula R6M which is E4/E7, 228.5, EO-M+, and is "synthetic" (very likely Grp. III), ash = 1.9%. It has no petrol rating. Most E4/MB228.5 oils are claimed to be synthetic and are only diesel rated.

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#3382025 - 05/27/14 09:06 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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Among others mentioned here, Pennzoil Ultra Euro L. Chrysler MS-11106 spec for the new VM Motori 3.0 Diesel
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#3382758 - 05/28/14 05:48 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
supercity Offline


Registered: 06/12/12
Posts: 889
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel.
Just some which are for petrol and diesel.


I wanted a diesel fully synthetic to clean out the inside of the motor (since from what I understand diesel oils have more cleaning agents)


Petrol or diesel motor?

Castrol Vecton 5w30 CJ4
Castrol Vecton 10w40 LS
BP Vanellus Eco 10w40

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#3388468 - 06/04/14 08:49 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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Schaeffer 9000 5w40 full synthetic is rated for diesel CJ-4 and API SM for gas engines.
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#3388484 - 06/04/14 09:08 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
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mobil delvac1 le5w30 & shell t6 0w40 are likely to cover whatever is demanded of it ,not sure about the t6 0w40 since it is a relatively new formulation but the delvac1 I mention definitely will be good where ever you are!
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