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#3338487 - 04/10/14 08:05 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
Swampyy Offline


Registered: 03/29/13
Posts: 7
Loc: Western Australia
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen fully synthetic diesel oils.
Do these exist?

In Australia..

Penrite
Mobil
Shell
Nulon
Castrol
Motul
Redline ...

The list goes on and on.....

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#3340003 - 04/11/14 05:09 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Swampyy]
Provi Offline


Registered: 11/29/11
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Loc: Dunbar, WV USA
Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5w-40 is what I use.
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#3341166 - 04/13/14 02:49 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: TiredTrucker]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11171
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
I am surprised more folks don't use them instead of playing "what if" games with oils in cold weather.

I have used them and still use them. That doesn't mean one shouldn't choose viscosity appropriately though, either.
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#3341180 - 04/13/14 03:25 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
virginoil Offline


Registered: 09/05/05
Posts: 1017
Loc: western australia

http://zddplus.labecon.com/TechBrief6%20...e%20Engines.pdf

Have a read of article attached to above link.

Diesel engines oils and petrol engine oils have differing performance requirements.
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#3341191 - 04/13/14 04:30 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: virginoil]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: virginoil
Diesel engines oils and petrol engine oils have differing performance requirements.

And ZDDPlus does have a competing interest - selling their own product. wink
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#3341733 - 04/13/14 05:55 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: virginoil]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
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Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: virginoil

http://zddplus.labecon.com/TechBrief6%20...e%20Engines.pdf

Have a read of article attached to above link.

Diesel engines oils and petrol engine oils have differing performance requirements.


I have not seen an oil for sale that isn't specced for diesel and petrol engines that I can remember.

Even cheap mineral oils are A3/B3 (Acea)
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#3342132 - 04/14/14 06:38 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: bigjl]
supercity Offline


Registered: 06/12/12
Posts: 870
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: bigjl


I have not seen an oil for sale that isn't specced for diesel and petrol engines that I can remember.

Even cheap mineral oils are A3/B3 (Acea)


ACEA light duty specs (A,B) usually if not always go hand in hand. ACEA C can of course be used for either petrol or diesel too. ACEA heavy duty, API and JASO diesel spec oils dont usually have hand in hand petrol specs.

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#3342749 - 04/14/14 06:18 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
Spetz Offline


Registered: 01/23/14
Posts: 106
Loc: Australia
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel.
Just some which are for petrol and diesel.


I wanted a diesel fully synthetic to clean out the inside of the motor (since from what I understand diesel oils have more cleaning agents)

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#3342784 - 04/14/14 06:58 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11171
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel. Just some which are for petrol and diesel.

That's what you want to use - dual rated oils. You do NOT want to be using a diesel-only oil, since most of those, particularly in your part of the world, will have no gasoline approval and will be completely different from a normal CJ-4 type diesel lube. You don't want to be using a diesel only CF-2, CF type lube in a gasser or "normal" diesel. This is the type of lube you definitely want to avoid. I haven't seen such an oil in synthetic only, either. Maybe Doug or Charlie have, but I certainly haven't.

If you want a sensible synthetic HDEO, I'd stick with a proper dual rated one from Shell, Chevron, Castrol, or Mobil.
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#3342964 - 04/14/14 09:26 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
artificialist Offline


Registered: 09/23/07
Posts: 6714
Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel.
Just some which are for petrol and diesel.


I wanted a diesel fully synthetic to clean out the inside of the motor (since from what I understand diesel oils have more cleaning agents)

You might not be able to get Motorcraft HDEO in Australia, but it does say CJ-4 only, and says "Don't use in gasoline engines with catalytic converters."

However, the second part is only a concern if the engine has an oil burning problem, or is covered by a special warranty.

The oil is very similar from other ConocoPhillips oils that are rated CJ-4/SM.

If you want a synthetic HDEO, having something that says CJ-4/SM is fine.
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#3343198 - 04/15/14 06:53 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: artificialist]
virginoil Offline


Registered: 09/05/05
Posts: 1017
Loc: western australia
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel. Just some which are for petrol and diesel.
I wanted a diesel ………………….


You might not be able to get Motorcraft HDEO in Australia, but it does say CJ-4 only, and says "Don't use in gasoline engines with catalytic converters."

However, the second part is only a concern if the engine has an oil burning problem, or is covered by a special warranty.


If Ford says it’s a concern I would not risk it. Nothing has changed since the Garden of Eden in this respect, if the OEM says do this, who is leading the temptation to do otherwise and with what guarantee ?

Yep is all risk based I know but this thinking still makes me shiver as to why.


Edited by virginoil (04/15/14 06:58 AM)
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#3343201 - 04/15/14 06:56 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: virginoil]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11171
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
I wonder what the situation is with Ford in Australia. Only North American arms of automakers seem to have this absolute terror about HDEOs.
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#3343343 - 04/15/14 10:24 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
m37charlie Offline


Registered: 06/08/09
Posts: 1124
Loc: Alaska
Oils that are ACEA E6 and E9 (almost the same as CJ4) are usually also petrol rated due to ash limits of 1.0%. Likewise ACEA E7 (corresponding sometimes to CI4+) are also usually petrol related due to ash contents mostly <1.5%.
OTOH ACEA E4 oils have a limit of 2.0% and actual ash levels in the 1.6-1.9% range and aren't petrol rated.
Very few E4 oils are sold in the US, I get mine via Mobil marine distributor. In Australia I know one can get Shell Rimula R6M which is E4/E7, 228.5, EO-M+, and is "synthetic" (very likely Grp. III), ash = 1.9%. It has no petrol rating. Most E4/MB228.5 oils are claimed to be synthetic and are only diesel rated.

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#3382025 - 05/27/14 09:06 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
philbytx Offline


Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 9
Loc: Texas, USA
Among others mentioned here, Pennzoil Ultra Euro L. Chrysler MS-11106 spec for the new VM Motori 3.0 Diesel
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#3382758 - 05/28/14 05:48 AM Re: Fully Synthetic Diesel Oils? [Re: Spetz]
supercity Offline


Registered: 06/12/12
Posts: 870
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: Spetz
I haven't seen any fully synthetic oils solely sold for diesel.
Just some which are for petrol and diesel.


I wanted a diesel fully synthetic to clean out the inside of the motor (since from what I understand diesel oils have more cleaning agents)


Petrol or diesel motor?

Castrol Vecton 5w30 CJ4
Castrol Vecton 10w40 LS
BP Vanellus Eco 10w40

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