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#3334212 - 04/05/14 03:31 PM THREE Permatex brake lubricants
sws669 Offline


Registered: 07/22/11
Posts: 9
Loc: hawaii
Why three? Any preference? Only want to buy one type. TIA

Permatex Ultra Disc Brake Caliper Lube
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HAL/My%20Documents/Downloads/20353.pdf

Permatex Ultra Disc Brake Caliper Lube, Silicone/Moly Formula
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HAL/My%20Documents/Downloads/24115.pdf

Permatex Ceramic Extreme Brake Parts Lubricant
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HAL/My%20Documents/Downloads/24125%20(1).pdf


Edited by sws669 (04/05/14 03:32 PM)

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#3334219 - 04/05/14 03:40 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
yonyon Offline


Registered: 03/06/12
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A file:// URL only works on your own computer. None of us here can see what you're linking to except for...


LOOK OUT! BEHIND YOU!

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#3334233 - 04/05/14 04:01 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 34212
Loc: New Jersey
None. Buy 3m silicone paste and then either the m77 or crc silaramic if you need some with solids.

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#3334235 - 04/05/14 04:04 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
Joseph_S37 Offline


Registered: 03/21/10
Posts: 235
Loc: Alberta, Canada
Here is the direct link to the Permatex website showing the brake lubes. I'm only seeing two different lubes and a 'brake quiet'
Permatex Brake Lubes
From the descriptions it seems the Extreme might be a higher end formula where as the Ultra is their 'normal' formula?

Hopefully someone with experience using both can chime in


Edited by Joseph_S37 (04/05/14 04:05 PM)
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#3334237 - 04/05/14 04:07 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
NHGUY Offline


Registered: 10/09/11
Posts: 3489
Loc: USA
I would use the CRC black colored Sta Lube stuff.

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#3334253 - 04/05/14 04:30 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
sws669 Offline


Registered: 07/22/11
Posts: 9
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#3334267 - 04/05/14 04:48 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 9788
Loc: Clovis, CA
Get the GREEN Permatex Ultra. Awesome slide pin lube.

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#3334284 - 04/05/14 05:06 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
sws669 Offline


Registered: 07/22/11
Posts: 9
Loc: hawaii
Agree, I've used the Ultra green for the slider pins before. Had a strong brake pull and rebuilt both calipers and replaced brake hoses to no avail. Bought new NAPA Total Eclipse calipers that solved the pull but now have a very loud squeak. I'll try the green lube on the hardware and piston/ rear pad contact points. Thanks.

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#3334900 - 04/06/14 11:21 AM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: NHGUY]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 10416
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Originally Posted By: NHGUY
I would use the CRC black colored Sta Lube stuff.

Yep i am back to this also. I tried many and nothing seems to do better than this so far.
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#3335884 - 04/07/14 02:58 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
dubie2003 Offline


Registered: 01/20/11
Posts: 495
Loc: Melbourne, Florida
I just did the brakes on my truck. I used the Green on the slide pins and the purple on the back of the pads. Works thus far with zero squeeks.

Now that I typed that, it will probably squeek.....

The best deal I found was buying the plastic can at AAP with online discount codes (stacking mrrebates on it too).

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#3338712 - 04/10/14 11:57 AM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
2008wrx Offline


Registered: 03/12/09
Posts: 133
Loc: CA
I use this: NAPA Sil-Glyde Silicone Lubricating

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#3340841 - 04/12/14 05:20 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
SLCraig Offline


Registered: 12/21/08
Posts: 5317
Loc: London, ON, Canada
I used the green stuff on my Saturns back in the day, and wondered why I needed to service my brakes every 6 months until I realized the green stuff was swelling and ruining my slide bushings. The stuff is USELESS around rubber and it creates more headaches than it helps.

I have been using Sil Glyde ever since on any and every car I've touched and it works every time.

Would not use that green [censored] as long as I live anymore.

The other 2 types I have no experience with.
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#3346435 - 04/18/14 11:16 AM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
nthach Offline


Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 1627
Loc: California
I never had luck with Permatex brake lube. I use Molykote M77 on the backs of the pads and either Sil-Glyde or Toyota red rubber grease on slide pins.

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#3356283 - 04/28/14 10:25 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: SLCraig]
AMC Offline


Registered: 10/17/10
Posts: 393
Loc: South Eastern, CT
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
I used the green stuff on my Saturns back in the day, and wondered why I needed to service my brakes every 6 months until I realized the green stuff was swelling and ruining my slide bushings. The stuff is USELESS around rubber and it creates more headaches than it helps.

I have been using Sil Glyde ever since on any and every car I've touched and it works every time.

Would not use that green [censored] as long as I live anymore.

The other 2 types I have no experience with.


I too went through the headache of the green synthetic brake lube. I tried sil-glyde and and never looked back. It works great and is very versatile. I use anti-seize compound on the brake pad ears and backs, works well for me. No squeeks at all
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#3360508 - 05/03/14 08:18 AM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: NHGUY]
Petersubaru Offline


Registered: 01/24/10
Posts: 235
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
I would use the CRC black colored Sta Lube stuff.
…This product would work with most cars…but not with my '01 subi..it reacts with the rubber to cause slider pin seizing …

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#3360612 - 05/03/14 11:16 AM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
Blaze Offline


Registered: 12/31/10
Posts: 1006
Loc: Washington State (East)
I just replaced the pads on one of our farm trucks (1993 Ford F-350) and it doesn't use sliding caliper pin/boot system. No grease or rubber boots etc to mess with. It takes longer just to remove the tire to do a pad replacement job. All you do is knock out two pins, remove the caliper, throw the pads on, mount caliber and knock the two pins back in and done.

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#3392389 - 06/08/14 06:07 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
HosteenJorje Offline


Registered: 05/26/14
Posts: 333
Loc: Columbus,Nebraska
That green Permatex [censored] swelled the lower slide pin bushings so bad I had a hard time getting the pin out. No Permatex brake grease of any color for me. I am sticking wil Syl-Glyde or may use the new CRC brake grease.

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#3507670 - 10/10/14 09:01 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1771
Loc: Southern CA
I always thought syl-glyde would dry out under heat. Is that wrong? Are you guys getting good service life out of it in disc brake applications? Do you also use it under shoes on the backing plate? Adjuster screws?
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#3508020 - 10/11/14 10:38 AM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: another Todd]
doitmyself Offline


Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 4820
Loc: MI
It could be used as you suggest, another Todd. But, as mentioned above, a lot of people like to use two different greases: a brake "grease" for the enclosed slide pins and a high solids "paste" for the exposed metal to metal parts. IMO, the benefit of the pastes recommended above is that they are more tenacious and more water resistant. With the high solids paste, as (if) the oil component eventually dissipates away, you are still left with some boundary lubrication in the form moly/graphite/ceramic,etc. "marbles" to still provide some lubrication.

Just my opinion, and this guy's also: http://www.aa1car.com/library/2005/ic80560.htm


Regarding Permatex green, I also had negative results similar to those mentioned above.

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#3508250 - 10/11/14 04:16 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
wokeupdead Offline


Registered: 09/11/14
Posts: 34
Loc: WV
I use the CRC synthetic brake lube on the backing plates and pad abutment ends of the pads. Syl-glide or dielectric grease ONLY on the guide pins/bolts due to rubber damage. Regular grease will seize the pins.

I have also found anti-seize will turn very hard and dry and cause pins to stick.
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#3511827 - 10/15/14 08:54 AM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: HosteenJorje]
rkpatt Offline


Registered: 10/27/02
Posts: 133
Loc: SE
Isn't Permatex dielectric tune-up grease the equivalent to Syl-Glyde ?

Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
That green Permatex [censored] swelled the lower slide pin bushings so bad I had a hard time getting the pin out. No Permatex brake grease of any color for me. I am sticking wil Syl-Glyde or may use the new CRC brake grease.

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#3512781 - 10/16/14 10:52 AM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: rkpatt]
doitmyself Offline


Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 4820
Loc: MI
Originally Posted By: rkpatt
Isn't Permatex dielectric tune-up grease the equivalent to Syl-Glyde ?

Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
That green Permatex [censored] swelled the lower slide pin bushings so bad I had a hard time getting the pin out. No Permatex brake grease of any color for me. I am sticking wil Syl-Glyde or may use the new CRC brake grease.


NO!!!

The Permatex green is a PAO grease. Dielectric and other silicone brake grease (i.e. Dow)are true silcone based grease.

Sil-glyde seems to be a grease of different nature than most realize. It's MSDS indicates it contains only a small percentage of silicone (< 13%) and in fact the SIL might actually refer more to silicate, in my opinion. It also has castor oil and polyethylene glycol as main components.

https://www.imperialsupplies.com/msds0075150.shtml

Chemical/Ingredient Name |CAS-No |Weight%
| |
Polypropylene glycol |25322-69-4 |30-60%
Dimethyl silicone polymer|67762-90-7 |7-13%
with silica
Oleoyl Sarcosine Mixture ||0.1-1% |
Diethyl phthalate |84-66-2 |0.1-1%
Glycine, |110-25-8 |0.1-1%
N-methyl-N-(1-oxo-9-octadecenyl)-, (Z)- Phenyl-1-naphthylamine 0.1-1%

While Sil-glyde's claim of being silicone based is stretching the truth, it is a time tested excellent brake grease with a huge following.

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#3513747 - 10/17/14 12:16 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: doitmyself]
gogozy Offline


Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 680
Loc: GTA, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: rkpatt
Isn't Permatex dielectric tune-up grease the equivalent to Syl-Glyde ?

Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
That green Permatex [censored] swelled the lower slide pin bushings so bad I had a hard time getting the pin out. No Permatex brake grease of any color for me. I am sticking wil Syl-Glyde or may use the new CRC brake grease.


NO!!!

The Permatex green is a PAO grease. Dielectric and other silicone brake grease (i.e. Dow)are true silcone based grease.

Sil-glyde seems to be a grease of different nature than most realize. It's MSDS indicates it contains only a small percentage of silicone (< 13%) and in fact the SIL might actually refer more to silicate, in my opinion. It also has castor oil and polyethylene glycol as main components.

https://www.imperialsupplies.com/msds0075150.shtml

Chemical/Ingredient Name |CAS-No |Weight%
| |
Polypropylene glycol |25322-69-4 |30-60%
Dimethyl silicone polymer|67762-90-7 |7-13%
with silica
Oleoyl Sarcosine Mixture ||0.1-1% |
Diethyl phthalate |84-66-2 |0.1-1%
Glycine, |110-25-8 |0.1-1%
N-methyl-N-(1-oxo-9-octadecenyl)-, (Z)- Phenyl-1-naphthylamine 0.1-1%

While Sil-glyde's claim of being silicone based is stretching the truth, it is a time tested excellent brake grease with a huge following.

thx doitmyself,
the PAO in the green thing often swell the robber boots?

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#3513773 - 10/17/14 12:51 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: gogozy]
doitmyself Offline


Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 4820
Loc: MI
Originally Posted By: gogozy
thx doitmyself, the PAO in the green thing often swell the robber boots?


I'm not an expert on brakes or grease. I'm also not a chemist. I do know that certain car brands have rubber brake components that seem more sensitive to swelling per my Google searches.

The PAO brake greases such as Permatex, CRC/Stalube, etc. all advertise they are plastic and rubber safe. Yet, if you look at the elastomer compatability chart at the bottom of the following link, you can easily see that silicone is safe with all elastomers listed(except silicone) while the PAO has several that are not compatable (buna-s, EPDM, others).

http://www.nyelubricants.com/_pdf/literature/engineering_pdf/Engineering_Ref_Charts.pdf

Again, I'm just making my decisions for myself based on internet research.

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#3514970 - 10/19/14 06:54 AM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: doitmyself]
wokeupdead Offline


Registered: 09/11/14
Posts: 34
Loc: WV
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: gogozy
thx doitmyself, the PAO in the green thing often swell the robber boots?


I'm not an expert on brakes or grease. I'm also not a chemist. I do know that certain car brands have rubber brake components that seem more sensitive to swelling per my Google searches.

The PAO brake greases such as Permatex, CRC/Stalube, etc. all advertise they are plastic and rubber safe. Yet, if you look at the elastomer compatability chart at the bottom of the following link, you can easily see that silicone is safe with all elastomers listed(except silicone) while the PAO has several that are not compatable (buna-s, EPDM, others).

http://www.nyelubricants.com/_pdf/literature/engineering_pdf/Engineering_Ref_Charts.pdf

Again, I'm just making my decisions for myself based on internet research.


Doitmyself is correct. silglyde not identical to dielectric grease but proves to be excellent in brake boot applications.

The other brake greases will swell most rubber seals/boots. I prefer to use dielectric grease for the boots, but shop buys silglyde.
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#3518134 - 10/22/14 03:07 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: wokeupdead]
gogozy Offline


Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 680
Loc: GTA, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: wokeupdead
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: gogozy
thx doitmyself, the PAO in the green thing often swell the robber boots?


I'm not an expert on brakes or grease. I'm also not a chemist. I do know that certain car brands have rubber brake components that seem more sensitive to swelling per my Google searches.

The PAO brake greases such as Permatex, CRC/Stalube, etc. all advertise they are plastic and rubber safe. Yet, if you look at the elastomer compatability chart at the bottom of the following link, you can easily see that silicone is safe with all elastomers listed(except silicone) while the PAO has several that are not compatable (buna-s, EPDM, others).

http://www.nyelubricants.com/_pdf/literature/engineering_pdf/Engineering_Ref_Charts.pdf

Again, I'm just making my decisions for myself based on internet research.


Doitmyself is correct. silglyde not identical to dielectric grease but proves to be excellent in brake boot applications.

The other brake greases will swell most rubber seals/boots. I prefer to use dielectric grease for the boots, but shop buys silglyde.


thanks! i have a spare tub of green grease but i don't use it anymore after learning from BITOG about silglyse.
thx to doitmyself for the chart, the chart has good info. i think I remember there were some debate long ago that how group 4 oil (PAO?) will harden seal and need a bit of other oil to condition the seal.

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#3541431 - 11/18/14 01:33 PM Re: THREE Permatex brake lubricants [Re: sws669]
gamefoo21 Offline


Registered: 04/19/08
Posts: 133
Loc: Kah-nah-dah
I've had great luck with the Permatex Purple Ceramic grease. Slides, pistons(internal on the seal ring and dust boot), backs of pads, and even on bleeder nipples for bleeding purposes.

The green stuff is garbage.

I have used and have Sil-Glyde, and I prefer the results of the permatex ceramic grease, honestly.


Edited by gamefoo21 (11/18/14 01:36 PM)

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