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#3322400 - 03/24/14 07:53 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
NateDN10 Offline


Registered: 01/10/10
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Loc: Rochester, NY
I once bought a 16-oz container of TCW3 and the top broke when I first opened it, so I just dumped it all in my 12-gal tank. I did not notice any difference whatsoever in how my car ran.


Edited by NateDN10 (03/24/14 07:54 PM)
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#3322424 - 03/24/14 08:07 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
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How much did you actually use. And what does tcw3 smell like
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#3322601 - 03/24/14 10:44 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
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This is the pic of the plug.


It is only about 2 months old.


Edited by Stregone (03/24/14 10:44 PM)

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#3323402 - 03/25/14 05:18 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
dave5358 Offline


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Loc: North Bend
Originally Posted By: Stregone
This is the pic of the plug.


It is only about 2 months old.


The gap on that plug looks mighty generous. I'm curious what the gap measures.
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#3323411 - 03/25/14 05:24 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: dave5358]
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I was thinking the same thing when I looked at the pic again after posting it. I need to go up to the store to get a new plug (I cracked the insulator on that one when I removed it), and will pick up a gap checker too. Unfortunately we are having a really miserable wet snow atm frown I am so done with all this freaking snow. It was 60 degrees when I took that picture just the other day! and now more snow.

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#3323447 - 03/25/14 06:09 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
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It's hard to tell the gap from a picture, but it looks like the gap is too big and the plug is oil fouled. Does the car use any oil?
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#3323458 - 03/25/14 06:21 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
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It does use some, judging by what I have read here it isn't an unusual amount. I have only been paying close attention recently, so I can't say for certain how much per 1000 miles or anything. I started using HM oil and doing my own oil changes after finding this site a few months ago, and it appears to have greatly slowed the loss of oil. Before I would usually have to add 2 quarts by the time the change oil light came on. I have no idea how the OLM in my car works, it seemed to light up about once a year. I do lots of short trips (I work like a mile and a half from home, so I have been walking while my car has been out) and just started doing shorter ~3k ocis.

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#3323495 - 03/25/14 07:10 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
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That plug is SOOOO wet with the blue colored Super Tech stuff (I just bought some), that I suspect you have a SPARK problem of some sort causing your no start condition.

That plug looks like there was NO ignition/combustion at all.

Did you remove it AFTER cranking the engine for a while with the no start/catch condition??
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#3323504 - 03/25/14 07:20 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: dailydriver]
Stregone Offline


Registered: 03/24/14
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
That plug is SOOOO wet with the blue colored Super Tech stuff (I just bought some), that I suspect you have a SPARK problem of some sort causing your no start condition.

That plug looks like there was NO ignition/combustion at all.

Did you remove it AFTER cranking the engine for a while with the no start/catch condition??


Yes, a friend advised me to crank the engine a few times just before pulling the plug to inspect it. Plus when it first happened the previous day I cranked it quite a bit hoping it would eventually start :p

My current plan of action is to pull, clean, and check/adjust gap on the plugs and then see if it starts. Thoughts?

I also got a ride and picked up a gas can and added 5 gallons to the tank.

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#3323575 - 03/25/14 08:30 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
JAG Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
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Loc: Fredericksburg, VA
This reminds me of when I was dosing my car's gas with a high-viscosity ester 2 stroke oil. The oil didn't burn completely and the oil seeped up the spark plug threads.
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#3323815 - 03/26/14 03:51 AM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: dailydriver]
demarpaint Offline


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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
That plug is SOOOO wet with the blue colored Super Tech stuff (I just bought some), that I suspect you have a SPARK problem of some sort causing your no start condition.

That plug looks like there was NO ignition/combustion at all.

Did you remove it AFTER cranking the engine for a while with the no start/catch condition??


Nice diagnosis. I bet if the engine fired and ran there'd be no problems to report.
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#3324658 - 03/26/14 07:34 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
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Registered: 03/24/14
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Loc: VA
Its looking like I might have some much more serious problems frown May be time for a new car. Was hoping to be able to take this baby to at least 150k.

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#3325051 - 03/27/14 07:35 AM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
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There just is not enough information in this thread to diagnose the problem for you.

I'd love to help, and I find it hard to believe that the engine is suddenly toast (without some catastrophic event) (maybe you did not tell us??? )

Engines can be made to run quite well with all sorts of mechanical problems. In fact, some engines can be made to produce FULL POWER without any piston rings at all! (some aircraft engines were tested this way many years ago) And, of course, model aircraft engines often have no rings.

My point is this, do some troubleshooting before giving up.
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#3325128 - 03/27/14 09:08 AM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
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Well, when I pulled the plug to look at it I cracked it. I went to the store yesterday and bought a replacement. When I opened the hood to install it I noticed the coolant was gone. All of it. It all leaked out. Can't find anything obvious inside the engine compartment or on the ground, and it isn't in the oil thankfully.

I haven't given up, was just in a bad mood when I posted that. One of my friends is being rather pessimistic and unhelpful about this situation. Best case is the coolant is unrelated and there is some not terribly serious issue with the fuel or spark. I am kind of worried it is a head, head gasket, or an intake manifold problem (these engines are supposed to be pretty bulletproof...except for the intake manifold), though.

it should warm up today, a little, so I am going to check for spark. I bought one of those spark checkers that you install between the plug and the wire. Gunna be warm but rainy until sunday frown

I am also [censored] I paid a stupid amount for the shop to basically replace the plugs and wires to fix this 2 months ago. When its pretty obvious now they only treated the symptom and not the root cause.

PS. I checked the gap on the plug, it was fine.

PPS. I appreciate any help you guys can give, this is stressing me out frown

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#3325323 - 03/27/14 12:23 PM Re: Too much tcw3? [Re: Stregone]
Cujet Offline


Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 4083
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
You can use a sparkplug to check for spark.

You can also use a screwdriver. No need to spend money.

You still have not given us enough information to help.

Let's start at the top.

1) What engine
2) Do you have a coolant leak? If so, where? If you don't know, find out.
3) Do you have spark?
4) Do you have fuel pressure?
5) Do you have a can of starting fluid to help it start?
6) Did you try to put an ounce of gas in the intake to help it start?
7) Did you change the plugs
8) Intact engines need only 3 things. 1) fuel, 2) spark, 3) rotation. With that in mind, always start with the basics.

The lack of coolant is a big red flag. Determine where it's going.
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