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#3310694 - 03/13/14 02:22 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: ColdCanuk]
TTK Offline


Registered: 10/23/07
Posts: 324
Loc: TN
Originally Posted By: ColdCanuk
Forget about the CVT, worry about the oil eating FB25 engine.

Take 5 minutes and ask to look at the owners manual before you buy it:
1 quart per 1000 mile consumption is normal.


They actually come with a 'low oil light'.

As long as your good with that buy away!

It's like buying a 2 stroke car


And if you read a Toyota manual(600 miles/quart=normal) you won't buy one of those either. grin
5000 miles on mine first oil change and no oil usage measurable by dipstick. It is a great vehicle. The heater is a little slow to warm up is about the only flaw I can find, and as a bonus,33 mpg lifetime average so far.
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#3310697 - 03/13/14 02:30 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: 7055]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
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Nothing i want in my garage.
Subaru went down this road long before Nissan did with the Justy and that was almost 25 years ago and people are still complaining about CVT's.
IMO if people are not beating the door down for the technology as an real alternative after 25 years then something is really wrong with it.

They (not just Subaru) are not offering this as an option they are foisting it on the consumer like it or not.
IMHO they can shove it.
I think the Legacy 6cy are still available with the tried and true automatics, maybe another model that uses the 6 cyl also.

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#3310700 - 03/13/14 02:34 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: Rand]
wag123 Offline


Registered: 06/14/11
Posts: 570
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I believe a lot of CVT's are outsourced from an Asian company I can't recall the name of. Nissan uses them, as did Jeep for a while. I believe those are quite good, CVT's are their specialty. I don't know if Subie's CVT's are theirs or not though.


subaru makes their own CVT's they do not buy them from JATCO etc.

They are also much better than the cvt in nissan, dodge IMO.

obviously a subaru marketing piece but info on their cvt

http://www.subaru.com/engineering/transmission.html

Subaru only manufactures their own manual transmissions.
The manufacture of Subaru's automatic transmissions has always been outsourced, and always from JATCO, from what I understand. JATCO is a spin-off subsidiary of Nissan (with Mitsubishi owning a minority interest). This relationship is understandable as Nissan once owned controlling interest in Subaru. The CVT is a Subaru engineered JATCO manufactured transmission and is a design that is unique to Subaru.
You guys had better get used to CVTs. In 10 years ALL the "automatics" will either be CVTs or automated manuals. Personally, I would rather have a CVT than an automated manual.


Edited by wag123 (03/13/14 02:37 PM)

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#3310705 - 03/13/14 02:36 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: Trav]
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Registered: 02/08/13
Posts: 1377
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Trav
Nothing i want in my garage.
Subaru went down this road long before Nissan did with the Justy and that was almost 25 years ago and people are still complaining about CVT's.
IMO if people are not beating the door down for the technology as an real alternative after 25 years then something is really wrong with it.

They (not just Subaru) are not offering this as an option they are foisting it on the consumer like it or not.
IMHO they can shove it.
I think the Legacy 6cy are still available with the tried and true automatics, maybe another model that uses the 6 cyl also.



I used to feel this way about CVTs as my past experience with them in older vehicles left me hating them. But in the last round of car shopping we test drove a '14 Nissan Altima and I was floored at how good it was. Extremely smooth, and very quick to choose the appropriate engine speed to match the desired acceleration. It's better to drive than the traditional hydraulic 6at box in my Camry by a fairly wide margin...... and I'm told that the ones that Nissan puts in their cars aren't as good as what Subaru and Honda are offering.
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#3310719 - 03/13/14 03:05 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: 7055]
ronbo Offline


Registered: 04/04/07
Posts: 614
Loc: western ny, usa
Note: cut/paste

"Just wondering, how do you check the transmission fluid level if there isn't a dipstick?

CVT transmission oil- Forester, Impreza, Crosstrek
Replace only under severe driving or towing conditions. #4
Use Subaru CVT oil only. There's no dipstick to check the CVT fluid.
Forester 2.0XT's high torque CVT uses special CVT fluid, orange colored."

CVT fluid is dealer only, a special mix and they use scan tool to replace fluid.


I too am interested in the vehicle and worry about the CVT , warranty is 5 yr/60,000 mile, hear not able to rebuild CVT and thousands of dollars to replace, $4000 or more?


Edited by ronbo (03/13/14 03:09 PM)

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#3310726 - 03/13/14 03:13 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: 7055]
CHARLIEBRONSON21 Offline


Registered: 08/28/13
Posts: 533
Loc: MEMPHIS, TN
Over 120k on my CVT in my fusion. Drives the same from day of purchase at 2 miles. Just my experience with it though, but it's done great to this point. As for subaru, I would hope they were reliable since pretty much everything is going to CVT now.
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#3310731 - 03/13/14 03:17 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: ColdCanuk]
Bandito440 Offline


Registered: 02/13/12
Posts: 1781
Loc: Northern NY
Originally Posted By: ColdCanuk
Forget about the CVT, worry about the oil eating FB25 engine.

Take 5 minutes and ask to look at the owners manual before you buy it:
1 quart per 1000 mile consumption is normal.

They actually come with a 'low oil light'.

As long as your good with that buy away!

It's like buying a 2 stroke car


My 2013 burned a half-quart before 7,500 miles. It's since stabilized and I'm not seeing any consumption. I'm at 15,800 now.
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#3310746 - 03/13/14 03:34 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: Bandito440]
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Registered: 06/10/06
Posts: 273
Loc: midland tx
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
Originally Posted By: ColdCanuk
Forget about the CVT, worry about the oil eating FB25 engine.

Take 5 minutes and ask to look at the owners manual before you buy it:
1 quart per 1000 mile consumption is normal.

They actually come with a 'low oil light'.

As long as your good with that buy away!

It's like buying a 2 stroke car

My experience mirrors yours.My wife who's in real estate has gone 24k on her Forester is not having an issue either.

My 2013 burned a half-quart before 7,500 miles. It's since stabilized and I'm not seeing any consumption. I'm at 15,800 now.
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#3310759 - 03/13/14 03:44 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: doitmyself]
ColdCanuk Offline


Registered: 11/21/09
Posts: 41
Loc: Calgary, Canada
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Sad, Cold Canuck. If I remember correct, just about a year ago you were here all excited about your new Forester.

Here is a link to the ongoing 203 page thread regarding the oil use issue: http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/...2/index203.html

It's difficult to judge the current status of the problem: how many engines, the upgrade effectiveness, and how well SOA is assisting owners.


I bash all brands equally, but I find it amusing that Consumer Reports ranks certain vehicles at the very top, and they fail to even mention these serious issues: i.e. - Forester oil consumption and Honda Variable Cylinder Management: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/23/honda-settles-class-action-lawsuit-engines/


Yeah I guess I've had it a year, my mistake for buying the oil eating thing, no one else's. I don't think I'd describe myself as 'all excited'. I don't think I've ever posted 'all excited', I like that you think that though, makes me 'very excited'........

Learn from my mistake, don't buy a new Subaru Forester unless you're ok with an oil eating engine. Maybe for some it's no big deal, I don't judge.

I do like some things about Forester, but oil eating, tough for me to forget no matter how many times I hear 'It's normal', 'They all do it now', blah blah. It's the first vehicle I've ever owned that noticeably drinks oil.


Edited by ColdCanuk (03/13/14 03:46 PM)

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#3310777 - 03/13/14 03:54 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: gofast182]
doitmyself Offline


Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 4817
Loc: MI
Originally Posted By: gofast182
Someone said the units Jeep used were good? IIRC they were a train wreck (unless they got a new supplier) and is part of the reason they are transitioning to conventional ZF boxes.


I frequent the Jeep Patriot/Compass forums and I think the JATCO CVT failure rate is overstated. Plus, the media hates these vehicles and the CVT inherits this hate also.

However, it's my opinion that Jeep botched the application of the CVT to these vehicles. The vehicles are not highly refined to start out with. The GEMA engine has a stellar reliability history, but it too is unrefined and a bit "buzzy". Add to this maybe initial bad programming of the mated units and it spells disaster. IMO, the new automatic in these vehicles turns them into a tolerable vehicle (less noise, etc.). Some people need to relearn how to drive a CVT.

Chrysler has an agreement with JATCO not to rebuild. So, every tranny failure turns into a huge expense, double or more than a rebuild. A fluid change will run close to $300 at a dealer due to the need for temperature sensors, etc..

Ironic that Chrysler is abandoning the CVT while other mfg. are coming on board. And, the media loathed the Chrysler CVT's but adore all the new ones.

I personally don't like CVT's, but I am old school about some things. It will be an interesting next ten years.

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#3310781 - 03/13/14 03:56 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: ColdCanuk]
Mykl Offline


Registered: 02/08/13
Posts: 1377
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: ColdCanuk
Yeah I guess I've had it a year, my mistake for buying the oil eating thing, no one else's. I don't think I'd describe myself as 'all excited'. I don't think I've ever posted 'all excited', I like that you think that though, makes me 'very excited'........

Learn from my mistakes, don't buy a new Subaru Forester unless you're ok with an oil eating engine. Maybe for some it's no big deal, I don't judge.


I think you'll find that most vehicles come with potential weaknesses that could bite you. The best you can do prior to purchase is try to find out how often the issue actually happens.
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#3310804 - 03/13/14 04:22 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: 7055]
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Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 29227
Loc: NJ
The Subaru CVT is one of the best on the market right now. It's really good. Surprisingly good in some instances, such as the Forester XT and even the new WRX. Reliability has been rock solid so far.
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#3310807 - 03/13/14 04:22 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: KCJeep]
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Registered: 02/01/09
Posts: 6471
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I believe a lot of CVT's are outsourced from an Asian company I can't recall the name of. Nissan uses them, as did Jeep for a while. I believe those are quite good, CVT's are their specialty. I don't know if Subie's CVT's are theirs or not though.


Chrysler, Nissan, and a bunch of others use JATCO (Japan Automatic Transmission Co.) CVTs. They had some early glitches, but most of the "problems" are that people just DO NOT adapt to the way a CVT works and satisfaction is generally pretty low. The people that do adapt seem to like them a lot.
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#3310839 - 03/13/14 05:11 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: buster]
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Registered: 02/08/13
Posts: 1377
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: buster
The Subaru CVT is one of the best on the market right now. It's really good. Surprisingly good in some instances, such as the Forester XT and even the new WRX. Reliability has been rock solid so far.


I'm really looking forward to test driving a WRX with a CVT. I still wouldn't buy it, but after being warmed up to the idea the CVTs don't have to be awful I'm curious to see how it feels in a performance focused vehicle.
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#3310933 - 03/13/14 06:39 PM Re: How reliable are the Subaru CVTs? [Re: 7055]
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Registered: 07/27/13
Posts: 98
Loc: Illinois
The CVT is something to get used to, but I'm liking it. The Outback does have a transmission dipstick, so it's strange that the other models don't.

I haven't had a problem with mine burning oil. I only have 8,500 miles on it, but I went 7,500 on the FF and the dipstick didn't show any use. I have QSUD in it now and I'm not seeing consumption so far.

As far as Toyota saying 1 qt every 600 miles is normal, my '09 Corolla has 119K miles on it and it'll use 1/2 qt during a 7,500 mile OCI. So I guess I just get lucky and don't end up with all these oil burners I keep hearing about.
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