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#3308405 - 03/11/14 03:17 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: Vikas]
chestand Offline


Registered: 09/20/11
Posts: 100
Loc: Kansas City
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Quote:
I had to go through the wheel well sway bar opening with 20 inches worth of extensions, a ujoint and a 10mm socket. Took a total of 5 hours start to finish.
I do not know this engine but I don't quite understand why one implies other! I am assuming there can be no more than 3 bolts holding the thing you wanted to replace. Please explain the 5 hours.

As usual, the job is complicated by the amount of stuff that has to come off, be drained out, etc. in order to be able to access the area and not be drenched by coolant.

Jack up left front, Remove wheel, Drain coolant, Remove battery and battery tray, Remove lower radiator hose, Remove oil filter,Remove power steering reservior return line,Drain power steering reservior, Remove 4 bolts holding adapter to engine, clean adapter surface, clean engine block, as the manuals say "reassembly is the reverse of disassembly."

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#3308424 - 03/11/14 03:41 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: chestand]
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Registered: 01/26/12
Posts: 1006
Loc: Pa
The absolute worst repair job I ever did was replacing a leaking engine oil cooler in a 1986 Neoplan transit bus with a 6V71 DD. It was smack against the frame rail and had to come out as an assembly (cooler core and non-doweled cover and a bunch of bolts) with the bolts still through it....All the while dripping coolant and engine oil. Going back together was every bit as much fun but it was cleaner since my shirt had rubbed most of the dirt and grime off when I removed it.
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#3308473 - 03/11/14 04:33 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: chestand]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 7070
Loc: Saskatoon canada
My 04 ram hemi was by far the most painful plug change experience ever.
The first 6 on the driver side are easy, it's the last 2 that are agonizing. I had to drop the plug in the hole,then the socket and short extension,then swivel,another extension then assemble the pieces,with 1 hand,blind,then crank them in. Pulling them out was a nightmare because I hadn't learned yet that the whole socket and extension needed to be assembled and disassembled in the plug hole.
And I had to lay on top of the engine getting poked and stabbed with whatever was sticking out.
Dodge wanted 800 bucks to change the plugs in my truck. It took me. 6.5 hours to do it.
I'd want 800 bucks to if I had to do it to someone else's vehicle.
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#3308562 - 03/11/14 05:44 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: Clevy]
AdRock Offline


Registered: 06/05/09
Posts: 712
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Clevy
My 04 ram hemi was by far the most painful plug change experience ever.
The first 6 on the driver side are easy, it's the last 2 that are agonizing. I had to drop the plug in the hole,then the socket and short extension,then swivel,another extension then assemble the pieces,with 1 hand,blind,then crank them in. Pulling them out was a nightmare because I hadn't learned yet that the whole socket and extension needed to be assembled and disassembled in the plug hole.
And I had to lay on top of the engine getting poked and stabbed with whatever was sticking out.
Dodge wanted 800 bucks to change the plugs in my truck. It took me. 6.5 hours to do it.
I'd want 800 bucks to if I had to do it to someone else's vehicle.


I just did the plugs on my buddies 04 ram hemi with 90k miles on it on Sunday. What a pain. Plus they were the original plugs and were in that engine very tight. I have a 24in. long ratchet that I was using to get the plugs out but had to use a 4ft. breaker bar to get a few loose. When it came to the back 2 cylinders on the drivers side I couldn't get enough leverage to even get them loose. It was about midnight when he said just leave them. He's going to get the shop that does his company cars to deal with them. Also, who was the moron designer that decided to put the egr pipe on the passenger side directly above the coils that really should be pulled straight out? IDIOT.
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#3308582 - 03/11/14 06:01 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: chestand]
Kruse Offline


Registered: 10/05/05
Posts: 3027
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: chestand
1997 Thunderbird - 4.6 Modular

I've read that the 4.6 SOHC is a great motor. I'm sure it is, but given enough time, they all seem to develop an oil leak around the oil filter adapter.


I did this repair on my Mark VIII a few years ago. Yea, it was enough of a pain that I'm glad it was on my car instead of some customer who would be waiting for it. It's worth it, though, when you start the engine and there are no more leaks.

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#3308588 - 03/11/14 06:06 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: AdRock]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 7070
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: AdRock
Originally Posted By: Clevy
My 04 ram hemi was by far the most painful plug change experience ever.
The first 6 on the driver side are easy, it's the last 2 that are agonizing. I had to drop the plug in the hole,then the socket and short extension,then swivel,another extension then assemble the pieces,with 1 hand,blind,then crank them in. Pulling them out was a nightmare because I hadn't learned yet that the whole socket and extension needed to be assembled and disassembled in the plug hole.
And I had to lay on top of the engine getting poked and stabbed with whatever was sticking out.
Dodge wanted 800 bucks to change the plugs in my truck. It took me. 6.5 hours to do it.
I'd want 800 bucks to if I had to do it to someone else's vehicle.


I just did the plugs on my buddies 04 ram hemi with 90k miles on it on Sunday. What a pain. Plus they were the original plugs and were in that engine very tight. I have a 24in. long ratchet that I was using to get the plugs out but had to use a 4ft. breaker bar to get a few loose. When it came to the back 2 cylinders on the drivers side I couldn't get enough leverage to even get them loose. It was about midnight when he said just leave them. He's going to get the shop that does his company cars to deal with them. Also, who was the moron designer that decided to put the egr pipe on the passenger side directly above the coils that really should be pulled straight out? IDIOT.



You got that right. When dodge told me 800 bucks I told them they were nuts. After doing it myself I now know why it costs 800 bucks,because its worth it.
The rear drivers side pair are unreal. I had to completely pull apart the socket and extensions,then reassemble blind.
I almost gave up however prior to the plug change I was getting 13mpg on the highway. So I was in awe at consumption.
After the plug change it settled down to 20mpg which I was satisfied with.
Truck had 240k at the time and the plugs looked stock and original.
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#3308601 - 03/11/14 06:30 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: chestand]
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Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 3004
Loc: Bremerton Wa
LT1 F-body plug and wire change. W-Body Power steering pump.
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#3308608 - 03/11/14 06:37 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: chestand]
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Registered: 03/03/13
Posts: 428
Loc: Florida
I had that same ring changed on my mustang last year, I don't know how hard it was because my mechanic changed it but I remember picking that ring up at the dealer, the old one was flat.
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#3308709 - 03/11/14 08:19 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: chestand]
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Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 6911
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
My '90 T-Bird SC had one of the MOST complex/expensive to repair ABS systems I've ever heard of being installed in a car.

This is/was only thing in a Blue Oval product I could not stand/live with. wink
(This car's remote, dash adjustable damper setting system was also not very great, but an easy fix to just dump it for manually adjustable Konis. wink )
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#3308723 - 03/11/14 08:30 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: ls1mike]
Shaman Offline


Registered: 07/27/04
Posts: 2296
Loc: Frankfort, Kentucky
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
LT1 F-body plug and wire change. W-Body Power steering pump.


Heard horror stories about the F-bod stuff, but the L67 power steering pump wasn't too bad, aside from a busted knuckle. The coolant elbows weren't too great, and the location of the oil filter and intercooler pump on my LSJ aren't the greatest.

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#3309043 - 03/12/14 07:31 AM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: dailydriver]
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Registered: 09/03/10
Posts: 2622
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
My '90 T-Bird SC had one of the MOST complex/expensive to repair ABS systems I've ever heard of being installed in a car.

This is/was only thing in a Blue Oval product I could not stand/live with. wink
(This car's remote, dash adjustable damper setting system was also not very great, but an easy fix to just dump it for manually adjustable Konis. wink )


The Teves system, most 80s GMs with anti lock brakes used it as well, have same on my '88 T-Bird...

You guys ain't really been in bed with a Ford 4.6 till you've replaced the valve stem seals... I can do both sides on two older 5.0 and a half dozen thermostats changes, while doing just one side of the fat girl modular...

Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Who was making you get the V8 when you could have gotten the smaller V6?

Yes, get the 3.8L so you can feed it head gaskets.

A gasket went bad on a 17 year old engine with an unspecified number of miles. I guess its a bad engine.[/sarcasm]


Ain't that the truth?? Look up POS in any newer Websters, a Ford 3.8 will be one of the examples... OK that's stretching the truth but it really should be there...

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#3309336 - 03/12/14 11:54 AM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: chestand]
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Registered: 08/07/12
Posts: 286
Loc: TEXAS
All of the manufacturers are guilty of this at some point or another. Just a few of my fav's:

1. PCV valve on a Prius, should be <5min but if you don't have pencil thin arms, tiny hands and aircraft mechanic tools it ain't happening!

2. Starter on a '94 Chev 1 Ton Dually- Rt/F wheel and shroud come off. 2 Transmission and brake lines in the way of the 75 lb starter.

3. Water Pump- on the '07+ Tundra
Too much to list! Just Plain Stupid.
The dealer charges 4 hours labor!
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#3309828 - 03/12/14 07:49 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: chestand]
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Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 1394
Loc: Jupiter, Fl
Everything on our old A4 - mostly because to replace one part - all the surrounding rubber/plastic would be disintegrated, it also started most procedures with 'put car in service mode', which meant, take the front off.

Except the front CV joints. Remarkably easy.
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#3309880 - 03/12/14 08:41 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: ls1mike]
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Registered: 05/26/07
Posts: 1451
Loc: West Michigan
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
LT1 F-body plug and wire change. W-Body Power steering pump.



Never again will I work on a LT-1 in a 4th generation F body.
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#3309992 - 03/12/14 10:20 PM Re: One of the most hateful repairs I've ever done [Re: chestand]
Anies Offline


Registered: 01/29/09
Posts: 2708
Loc: NJ
My mechanic buddy had one. Got it for free essentially and used it as his work car. He got so fed up with it; the amount of repair work necessary, and one night he just flipped out in his shop. He started beating the snot out of the car with tools, fists, boots ect.

Rather funny to watch
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