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#3304463 - 03/07/14 12:57 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Everyone the problem was found. It was a bad temp sensor. And they are replacing motor mounts since the car has a vibration has had it for atleast 30,000 miles. They guys said the focus mounts are junk.


yes, the motor mounts on them are a known problem point. On the older ones (not sure if that's the case with a 2011) the passenger-side mount was a fluid filled type that the fluid would eventually degrade or disappear in, which greatly reduced its functionality and led to the driver feeling a great deal of vibration. They are relatively cheap and easy to replace though, as I did the one on our 2000.

So the ECT had gone south? Your scanner should have picked that up wink

Good to hear it is fixed though.
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#3304472 - 03/07/14 01:09 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: kyxtremetuber]
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Originally Posted By: kyxtremetuber
Throttle body was probably dirty and stuck for a second is just get some carb cleaner and clean it I bet that's what the dealer does that's what we would do at work


+1. I have had that same problem on my 2007. About every 1 1/2 years I pull the air intake off and use throtle plate cleaner to clean the are around the throtle plate. All engines should have this done. It's caused from oil fumes collecting in the upper parts of the engine.
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#3304510 - 03/07/14 01:45 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 03/15/13
Posts: 1762
Loc: southern mo
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Everyone the problem was found. It was a bad temp sensor. And they are replacing motor mounts since the car has a vibration has had it for atleast 30,000 miles. They guys said the focus mounts are junk.


yes, the motor mounts on them are a known problem point. On the older ones (not sure if that's the case with a 2011) the passenger-side mount was a fluid filled type that the fluid would eventually degrade or disappear in, which greatly reduced its functionality and led to the driver feeling a great deal of vibration. They are relatively cheap and easy to replace though, as I did the one on our 2000.

So the ECT had gone south? Your scanner should have picked that up wink

Good to hear it is fixed though.



There scanner didn't pick it up either it never threw a code or had freeze frame data stored. He didn't say how he found it though.
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#3304522 - 03/07/14 01:52 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Everyone the problem was found. It was a bad temp sensor. And they are replacing motor mounts since the car has a vibration has had it for atleast 30,000 miles. They guys said the focus mounts are junk.


yes, the motor mounts on them are a known problem point. On the older ones (not sure if that's the case with a 2011) the passenger-side mount was a fluid filled type that the fluid would eventually degrade or disappear in, which greatly reduced its functionality and led to the driver feeling a great deal of vibration. They are relatively cheap and easy to replace though, as I did the one on our 2000.

So the ECT had gone south? Your scanner should have picked that up wink

Good to hear it is fixed though.



There scanner didn't pick it up either it never threw a code or had freeze frame data stored. He didn't say how he found it though.


When it was exhibiting the problem, it would show up under live data as out to lunch. It may not set a code, but the values being read would be obviously wrong.

So for example, if I had all of the relevant parameters on the screen like bat voltage, ACT, ECT, TPS...etc and the car was acting up, the ECT probably would have shown like -40C or something. If it was out of range it should have thrown a code, so we have to assume that it wasn't out of range, just way off.
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#3304523 - 03/07/14 01:52 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 2965
Loc: Covington, Wa.
Probably nothing wrong with the Focus. Only start the car about once a week or less....then DRIVE it about 30 minutes or more. Sounds like you just dumped way too much fuel into the engine. Why would you PUMP the throttle? Never good to do that with fuel injection.....at least from what limited knowledge I have. I know that I have started cars when cold just to move them for the purpose of parking them in a spot to wash them......then I shut it down. When I start the vehicle again after washing it, it nearly always runs rough or sputters a bit from such a short run cycle. I always take it out for a spin to make sure things are COMPLETELY warmed up before putting the car away.
I think it's obvious that what you are doing IS the cause for the hard starting.


Edited by andrewg (03/07/14 01:53 PM)
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#3304568 - 03/07/14 02:38 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: andrewg]
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
Probably nothing wrong with the Focus. Only start the car about once a week or less....then DRIVE it about 30 minutes or more. Sounds like you just dumped way too much fuel into the engine. Why would you PUMP the throttle? Never good to do that with fuel injection.....at least from what limited knowledge I have. I know that I have started cars when cold just to move them for the purpose of parking them in a spot to wash them......then I shut it down. When I start the vehicle again after washing it, it nearly always runs rough or sputters a bit from such a short run cycle. I always take it out for a spin to make sure things are COMPLETELY warmed up before putting the car away.
I think it's obvious that what you are doing IS the cause for the hard starting.


Sounds obvious that you didnt read the thread wink

An issue was found.

Mr_man wasnt doing any favors by starting and running like that, but there was at least one faulty item. Why it only showed up then is interesting. Perhaps Mrs. _man (the mother) just ignored it?

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#3304579 - 03/07/14 02:48 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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So what I get from this is that the faulty sensor was causing a very low temp reading and that caused the ECU to add too much fuel essentially flooding the engine. Does this sound correct?
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#3304584 - 03/07/14 02:53 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: JHZR2]
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Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 2965
Loc: Covington, Wa.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Probably nothing wrong with the Focus. Only start the car about once a week or less....then DRIVE it about 30 minutes or more. Sounds like you just dumped way too much fuel into the engine. Why would you PUMP the throttle? Never good to do that with fuel injection.....at least from what limited knowledge I have. I know that I have started cars when cold just to move them for the purpose of parking them in a spot to wash them......then I shut it down. When I start the vehicle again after washing it, it nearly always runs rough or sputters a bit from such a short run cycle. I always take it out for a spin to make sure things are COMPLETELY warmed up before putting the car away.
I think it's obvious that what you are doing IS the cause for the hard starting.


Sounds obvious that you didnt read the thread wink

An issue was found.

Mr_man wasnt doing any favors by starting and running like that, but there was at least one faulty item. Why it only showed up then is interesting. Perhaps Mrs. _man (the mother) just ignored it?

You are correct! I got bored before I finished the second page and blurted out a response. Oh well....life goes on.
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#3304592 - 03/07/14 02:59 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: KrisZ]
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Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 26720
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
So what I get from this is that the faulty sensor was causing a very low temp reading and that caused the ECU to add too much fuel essentially flooding the engine. Does this sound correct?


That's what I'm taking away from it.
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#3304605 - 03/07/14 03:14 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: OVERKILL]
ram_man Offline


Registered: 03/15/13
Posts: 1762
Loc: southern mo
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Everyone the problem was found. It was a bad temp sensor. And they are replacing motor mounts since the car has a vibration has had it for atleast 30,000 miles. They guys said the focus mounts are junk.


yes, the motor mounts on them are a known problem point. On the older ones (not sure if that's the case with a 2011) the passenger-side mount was a fluid filled type that the fluid would eventually degrade or disappear in, which greatly reduced its functionality and led to the driver feeling a great deal of vibration. They are relatively cheap and easy to replace though, as I did the one on our 2000.

So the ECT had gone south? Your scanner should have picked that up wink

Good to hear it is fixed though.



There scanner didn't pick it up either it never threw a code or had freeze frame data stored. He didn't say how he found it though.


When it was exhibiting the problem, it would show up under live data as out to lunch. It may not set a code, but the values being read would be obviously wrong.

So for example, if I had all of the relevant parameters on the screen like bat voltage, ACT, ECT, TPS...etc and the car was acting up, the ECT probably would have shown like -40C or something. If it was out of range it should have thrown a code, so we have to assume that it wasn't out of range, just way off.

It probably would have but I didn't have the scanner hooked up when it happened I did hook it up on the drive to the dealer and it was all good of course. Least it was a simple issue.
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#3304648 - 03/07/14 04:00 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 8012
Loc: Barberton,Ohio
Gee that's funny since 2011 duratech focii dont have a ECT.

Post up a copy of the work order so I can laugh at the ford dealer.


Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


In the spirit of the thread, you could be making it up, LOL! grin

Seriously though, it could also be something as stupid as water in the tank. "Warranty will cover it", as ranger noted, is a rather bold statement considering they have no idea what the "issue" is yet. Would they cover draining the tank and replacing the fuel filter if somebody peed in your mom's gas tank? shrug


Edited by Rand (03/07/14 04:11 PM)
Edit Reason: removed troll attack on chevyboy.
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#3304668 - 03/07/14 04:18 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: Rand]
ram_man Offline


Registered: 03/15/13
Posts: 1762
Loc: southern mo
Originally Posted By: Rand
Gee that's funny since 2011 duratech focii dont have a ECT.

Post up a copy of the work order so I can laugh at the ford dealer.


Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


In the spirit of the thread, you could be making it up, LOL! grin

Seriously though, it could also be something as stupid as water in the tank. "Warranty will cover it", as ranger noted, is a rather bold statement considering they have no idea what the "issue" is yet. Would they cover draining the tank and replacing the fuel filter if somebody peed in your mom's gas tank? shrug


its a 2010 focus and it most certainly does have a temp sensor. Check your facts.
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#3304814 - 03/07/14 07:16 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 8012
Loc: Barberton,Ohio
please post the work order
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#3304824 - 03/07/14 07:29 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 03/15/13
Posts: 1762
Loc: southern mo
Why? Ill have it tomorrow but why? Why cant you believe what I said and rest easy? Feel like i am on trial on here.
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#3304887 - 03/07/14 08:44 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
Vikas Offline


Registered: 07/22/05
Posts: 8330
Loc: NorthEast
Why would 2011 Focus won't have ECT? Or is it integrated into thermostat? Knowing Ford and how they decided to make the air cleaner as lifetime component, they may have indeed removed the ECT but I would be still surprised.


Edited by Vikas (03/07/14 08:46 PM)

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