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#3255913 - 01/22/14 06:58 AM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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Vacum bleeding can become a nightmare if the brake system arent
completly vacum safe....and they aint!
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#3255940 - 01/22/14 07:31 AM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: Char Baby]
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I have a Miti-Vac hand held vacuum pump that I've been using for many years with great success. I would have gotten my brakes blead completely before this guy got all of the air bubbles out of the brake like from the resivior to the pump bottle.
Don't tiny bubbles never stop when you use the hand held pump?

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#3255979 - 01/22/14 08:19 AM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: Vikas]
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Registered: 05/25/05
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Loc: Rochester NY
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I have a Miti-Vac hand held vacuum pump that I've been using for many years with great success. I would have gotten my brakes blead completely before this guy got all of the air bubbles out of the brake like from the resivior to the pump bottle.
Don't tiny bubbles never stop when you use the hand held pump?


I admit that I do see lots of tiny bubbles but, I've been doing this vacuum bleed for 25-30 years and I have never had a failure. I used to do the 2 person system but, with ABS being so sensative these days and trying to have someone there to help, I found the Mity-Vac to be quite convienient.

Also, I have had issues with the 2 man system, damaging the brake fluid master cylinder due to pushing the pedal to the floor and scoring the piston, causing lack of pedal pressure...So again, no issues with our brakes since using the vac bleed. Nice high pedal and a very nice progressive brake feel(always) smile

I guess everyone has a different way to get to the same place. And I am a fan of bleeding the system every 2-3 years, whatever your method is! smile


Edited by Char Baby (01/22/14 08:21 AM)
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#3256054 - 01/22/14 09:47 AM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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I've got speed bleeders on the Jeep, mostly so I can change the fluid out easily without needing a second person. As long as there's sealant on the threads, they work pretty well. I've yet to have anything less than a very firm pedal after using them and they're fairly quick.
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#3256279 - 01/22/14 01:12 PM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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People who don't like the vacuum bleed method are the ones who see the never ending tiny bubbles and freak out. Are they going to believe you (or me) or their own lying eyes???? :-)

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#3256411 - 01/22/14 02:56 PM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: Vikas]
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
People who don't like the vacuum bleed method are the ones who see the never ending tiny bubbles and freak out. Are they going to believe you (or me) or their own lying eyes???? :-)


yep, those bubbles are NOT going back into the caliper/wheel cylinder you are bleeding. So they are basically irrelevant. But they do freak folks out.

My car is easily gravity bled. Each year just prior to a track day I simply open each caliper bleeder and check the master cylinder every few minutes. Pretty simple.

But no pedal pushin'. That's too easy to damage stuff...
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#3256601 - 01/22/14 06:34 PM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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I am actually liking the gravity bleed method more & more. I have only done it twice recently and am entertaining the thought more often smile
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#3256663 - 01/22/14 07:24 PM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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+1 gravity bleeding works well for all of the vehicles I have tried it on. It is not a fast method but it works. I like to take my time anyway.
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#3258238 - 01/24/14 05:41 AM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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Just replaced my front rubber lines to braided stainless on my Tacoma. I used my motive bleeder and works awesome.
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#3303755 - 03/06/14 07:42 PM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: ARB1977]
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Registered: 11/03/13
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Loc: Utah
Well, I did it. I ordered a Motive Black Label and an extra adapter so I can bleed brakes on both of my cars. Ordered on Summit Friday evening, and it arrived Tuesday. Summit not only had free shipping, but they offered the best price.

So, last night I put my Alero up on jack stands and bled the system. It was the easiest, least messy brake bleed I have ever done. The adapter fit very nicely on the reservoir, and no leak first try. I did have to fuss with the tubing some. It was in the way for pumping up the tank. But I have some ideas to handle that next time.

Being not real experienced at bleeding brakes, I did struggle to tell when clean fluid had reached the caliper. I ended up using too much brake fluid and had to go buy a second bottle. Sure wish we could still buy the blue stuff.
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#3303785 - 03/06/14 08:13 PM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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I usually used about double the brake fluid capacity when bleed any car of my fleet, I like the get as much old fluid out as possible. Since I do it once every 3-4 years, 2 quarts DOT-3 brake fluid per car at about $12 at Walmart is not that expensive.

I had Motive power bleeder some years ago, with correct adapters for my cars, I could not bleed the rears of either LS400 or E430. I sold it on eBay and Craigslist and use Mityvac 7201.
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#3304240 - 03/07/14 08:50 AM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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How fast is gravity bleeding, and is it impacted by ABS pumps etc? I could stand to do all three vehicles this year, and I *think* the VW takes different fluid than the Toyota's. I used a pressure pump once but it kept blowing off the MC on the VW and I gave up; had a mechanic do it instead.
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#3304283 - 03/07/14 09:26 AM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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Registered: 02/08/13
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Loc: Texas
I've done traditional pedal bleeds, speed bleeders, and MityVac.

I think my favorite was the speed bleeders. I had them on my STi so I could take a quick pump to clear fluid out of each caliper after a lapping session without having to remove a wheel.

The MityVac worked fine, and is useful for other stuff, but I liked speed bleeders better.

Of course the traditional pedal bleed works fine, it's just a little tedious and needs more than one person.
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#3304743 - 03/07/14 05:43 PM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: Mykl]
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Registered: 04/17/06
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Loc: Irvine, CA
Originally Posted By: Mykl
I've done traditional pedal bleeds, speed bleeders, and MityVac.

I think my favorite was the speed bleeders. I had them on my STi so I could take a quick pump to clear fluid out of each caliper after a lapping session without having to remove a wheel.

The MityVac worked fine, and is useful for other stuff, but I liked speed bleeders better.

Of course the traditional pedal bleed works fine, it's just a little tedious and needs more than one person.

Speed bleeder is very good in your case.

Since I bleed my cars once every 3-4 years in my garage, Mityvac works fine in my case.

The difference between speed bleeder and other tools is you need 1 set of speed bleeder for each vehicle. One Miyvac can do more than brake bleeding, it also does oil, ATF ...
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#3304979 - 03/07/14 10:20 PM Re: Preferred Brake Bleed Method [Re: BHopkins]
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Registered: 12/29/12
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Loc: Ohio
Call me old fashioned, but I still just do the old school bleed the brakes through plastic hosing till you don't have air bubbles as your best friend pumps the brakes.
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