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#3302557 - 03/05/14 06:02 PM ford focus hard start
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Registered: 03/15/13
Posts: 2217
Loc: southern mo
My moms been on vacation so I have been going over to feed her animals and start her car. Did so Monday everything was fine. Went over today started the car and it started for a brief second and shut off. Then just cranked and cranked. I pumped the throttle and after about 6 ten second cranks. (I let it sit a minute between cycles.) It sputtered to life blowing quite a bit of black smoke and then once gathering itself it amoothed out and was fine.
Its a 2010 has 69,000 on it and has never done this. She has an extended warranty so itll be covered most likely. I drove it straight to the dealer so she wouldnt have to mess with it. But now its running fine so the dealer may not find an issue. Anyone have any experience with maybe a similar issue. Or even have an idea what could cause that? It didn't throw a cel. I was hoping it would. I assume it was getting fuel since when it started it blew black smoke.
it drive fine the 15 miles to the dealer though. Go figure.. also I didnt know this but rhe car has a one touch self crank system. So itll crank for an extra 8 seconds or so even after you stop Turning the key in the event that the car doesnt start itll keep trying..., I don't particularly care for that system but such is life.


Edited by ram_man (03/05/14 06:04 PM)
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#3302581 - 03/05/14 06:19 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Why do you start it every day?
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#3302588 - 03/05/14 06:28 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 08/20/03
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why did you start the car again?


Edited by Rand (03/05/14 06:29 PM)
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#3302607 - 03/05/14 07:02 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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To charge the battery?
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#3302609 - 03/05/14 07:05 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: dave1251]
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Registered: 04/08/06
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Loc: Birmingham, AL
Originally Posted By: dave1251
To charge the battery?


Depending on how long he's letting the car run, it may not be doing the battery any favors.

Driving is good for cars. Sitting at idle for a few minutes is not.
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#3302616 - 03/05/14 07:15 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: 01rangerxl]
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Registered: 01/24/08
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About once every 2 weeks I'd start the car and take it for a nice 30 minute highway run.

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#3302617 - 03/05/14 07:17 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 07/16/11
Posts: 694
Loc: NC USA
If you start the car multiple times and don't let it warm up it will flood just like you described. I bet they find nothing wrong.

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#3302634 - 03/05/14 07:31 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: gregk24]
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Registered: 12/14/02
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Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Why do you start it every day?


+1 Why would you do this? It takes a lot more battery power to start the car than will be replenished in a couple seconds/minutes of running. Ill bet you killed the battery to the point that it didnt want to run right. Put it on a charger as a first step.

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#3302637 - 03/05/14 07:34 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 07/29/13
Posts: 51
Loc: Kentucky
Throttle body was probably dirty and stuck for a second is just get some carb cleaner and clean it I bet that's what the dealer does that's what we would do at work
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#3302649 - 03/05/14 07:50 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 03/15/13
Posts: 2217
Loc: southern mo
Its been very cold I started it monday and then again today each time let it run a few minutes enought to warm up completely. She asked me to so I do. I dont drive my dodge but I let it run atleast once a week for a little bit. It's never had a problem with it.
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#3302650 - 03/05/14 07:52 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: JHZR2]
ram_man Offline


Registered: 03/15/13
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Loc: southern mo
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Why do you start it every day?


+1 Why would you do this? It takes a lot more battery power to start the car than will be replenished in a couple seconds/minutes of running. Ill bet you killed the battery to the point that it didnt want to run right. Put it on a charger as a first step.


immediately when it didnt start I hooked up my dvom and battery was fully charged at 12.6v. Monday it got to run ablut 15 minutes so it wasnt like a minute or two and then shut off. It warmed all the way up .
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#3302654 - 03/05/14 07:55 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 04/08/06
Posts: 8351
Loc: Birmingham, AL
That's not good for either vehicle.

Cold doesn't kill batteries, heat does. Cold drains good batteries because a cold engine is harder to turn over.

Odds are, sitting there idling for a few minutes it's staying in open loop and running rich. That's not good for the engine or cats.
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#3302669 - 03/05/14 08:02 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: 01rangerxl]
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Registered: 03/15/13
Posts: 2217
Loc: southern mo
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
That's not good for either vehicle.

Cold doesn't kill batteries, heat does. Cold drains good batteries because a cold engine is harder to turn over.

Odds are, sitting there idling for a few minutes it's staying in open loop and running rich. That's not good for the engine or cats.


Its a relatively new car with heated o2 sensors it hits closed loop pretty quick. A general rule of thumb is 120 degrees and if it warming all the way up its kicking into closed loop.
its been around -10 - 15degrees here if I let the battery sit for a whole week in the cold it wont start the vehicle thats why I started it. Today was the last day of really cold so I probably wouldn't have started it again while she was gone.
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#3302670 - 03/05/14 08:02 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 4636
Loc: Midwest
I thought you were going to mechanic's school. Wouldn't a mechanic in training know both the answer and realize that what he was doing likely caused the issue?

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#3302673 - 03/05/14 08:05 PM Re: ford focus hard start [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 6
Loc: IL
Clean the throttle body
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