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#3289078 - 02/21/14 12:30 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: LargeCarManX2]
sixtwoturbo Offline


Registered: 01/28/14
Posts: 33
Loc: Abbotsford, BC
Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2


Most likely he is getting the jet fuel free and mixing it with diesel. A better alternative would be to mix the jet, diesel, and quality fuel additive run thru a filter after mixing to avoid engine/injector problems. The only time I would run ATF is if my fuel system was frozen and I would fill the filters with straight ATF in the past to thaw the system out....now a day's specialty products are available for this.


Yep, the jet fuel is basically free. I cut the WMO or ATF with 30% gas, let it sit, centrifuge it then let it sit, CF it again then fill half my tank with either the ATF or WMO concoction, the rest with jet fuel. I used to run the 70/30 ATF and even straight ATF with a 5% gas until I landed the jet fuel. I will NOT run diesel as it means I have to buy it. I get stale gas from friends, etc and have barrels at small engine repair shops as they are happy to give it to me. grin

Running alt fuels isn't for everyone, it does take time, energy and willingness to source up fuels, and of course more maintenance but for me, its totally worth it. Your results may vary, wink
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#3294591 - 02/26/14 05:22 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: sixtwoturbo]
Number21 Offline


Registered: 10/23/13
Posts: 230
Loc: OR
I don't think you are going to hurt anything trying to burn ATF, but I wonder why people always feel the need. "My brother's friend Bob has a cousin who used it forever and his injectors lasted 300,000 miles" is usually the given reason why. I've never seen an actual proven case of ATF helping anything. I have seen actual independent proof of other diesel additives, along with 2 stroke oil, helping things.

Just because somebody did it, and it didn't blow up their engine, is not a good reason to continue. I smoke and I haven't gotten cancer yet, does that mean I should keep smoking?

ATF is also one of the most expensive modern automotive chemicals you can buy. It's interesting this myth never specifies which type of ATF to use. Is type F going to give you the same results as Dexron III, as Mercon LV? Hardly.

Why do people think ATF is some magical super dose of detergents? Why would there be *ANY* detergent in a fluid not designed to go into an engine? If such detergents existed, they would be included with your fancy $5/quart engine oil.

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#3535053 - 11/10/14 09:14 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: JHZR2]
CT8 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 879
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Why would you want to do that??? When ATF and most any other lube oils burn, they produce an ash of sorts, and it can potentially be problemmatic in many ways.

Why use an inferior product when purpose specific adds exist?

Non-ash two stroke oil would be the farthest I'd go...
Cummins may think otherwise.
atf in diesel

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#3545903 - 11/23/14 12:28 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: CT8]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 34239
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Why would you want to do that??? When ATF and most any other lube oils burn, they produce an ash of sorts, and it can potentially be problemmatic in many ways.

Why use an inferior product when purpose specific adds exist?

Non-ash two stroke oil would be the farthest I'd go...
Cummins may think otherwise.
atf in diesel


And? We've known they are doing this for years. But is the ratio the same? The lube composition the same? Burn byproducts the same? Injection point and conditions for injection the same?

Randomly doping atf into diesel when there are much better options, much more suited for combustion, is stupid.

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#3545910 - 11/23/14 12:50 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 2860
Loc: Upper Midwest
And besides, the Cummins system does that to replenish the oil, dumping the old oil into the fuel is to dispose of it. Not for a fuel benefit.
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#3546622 - 11/24/14 10:23 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: kschachn]
CT8 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 879
Loc: California
Cummins I guess doesn't think the oil harms the engine?

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#3549564 - 11/27/14 05:07 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 27314
Loc: a prisoner island
Not advocating, or even suggesting anything, But diesel fuel filters take the "black" out of 2% Used oil in diesel very very quickly (return flow for pump cooling means that the tank gets "polished" over a fairly short period of time.)

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#3564821 - 12/14/14 02:50 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
TiredTrucker Offline


Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 1203
Loc: Kellogg, IA
The older diesels are one thing. The newer diesels running some almost insane common rail fuel pressures, combined with the emissions stuff downstream, and doing some form of "home brew" nonsense can really bite one in the wallet if these systems go down. I have truly been amazed over the years what folks dream up to throw in a tank of diesel. And the lubricity thing has caused the lion's share of kooky solutions. I go thru roughly 21,000 gallons of diesel a year in my commercial stuff. Been that way for a few decades. I have had older engines running on ULSD as well as newer engines. The Lubricity thing is just a ruse to get folks all worried and to try stuff that leads to the ATF thing and a host of other questionable practices. If someone is so persuaded to throw something in their diesel fuel, then use a good diesel fuel additive. And one that actually does something and quit worrying about the lubricity thing. I have not lost an injector or fuel pump in the last 13 years on any of my diesels. That is over 2 million miles. Last injector I had to replace on an engine was in a Cummins N-14 in 2001, and that engine had over 600,000 miles on it. I took it on up to 1.4 million and sold it. The next truck with a Cummins ISX racked up over 900,000 miles before I sold it, and no injector or pump problems. I currently have 342,000 on a factory rebuilt Detroit Series 60, and no fuel related problems.

NONE of them has gotten anything more that winter diesel fuel additive in the winter and an occasional dose of biocide to make sure diesel eating critters did not set up home in my fuel tanks. Some folks just worry to much and read too many articles written by people with very limited experience with this stuff.
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#3564822 - 12/14/14 02:55 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: kschachn]
TiredTrucker Offline


Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 1203
Loc: Kellogg, IA
Originally Posted By: kschachn
And besides, the Cummins system does that to replenish the oil, dumping the old oil into the fuel is to dispose of it. Not for a fuel benefit.


But even the old Cummins oil system is long dead since 2007 when DPF systems came on the scene. Quickest way to take out a DPF system is to throw junk in the fuel, especially oil. Take a look at the price of a replacement DPF filter that Cummins uses on a typical road truck sometime.

Click on the link provided by CT8 regarding the Cummins Centinal oil system. It was only rated up to EPA Tier 2. Tier 3 was introduced in 2007, and tier 4 in 2010. Centinal is not an option anymore for any on road or off road diesel being produced since 2007.
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