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#3281386 - 02/13/14 11:45 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 05/17/07
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Loc: Utah,Vernal (oil land)
exactly, to earn a rep of any credibility being a jerk or condescending is the wrong approach. and like it or not there still isn't any real meaningful side by side comparison, I built a new HIR bulb filled with magic farts for the gas its 54% brighter then the Phillips HIR, see I can say stuff too. and while i'm sure the Phillips is a great light there are certain truths in lights, and special gas rarely allows more light, without some sort of compromise the idea behind the special gas is they can overdrive the same 65 watt filament without overheating it and killing it premature, does it work idk maybe but its old school light hot rodding technology there. Toshiba changing the shape of the bulb for the right reflections off the special coating to excite the light was some actual new thinking, so whether or not you think the Toshiba suck and Phillips are awesome isn't really pertinent unless you can provide some meaningful information besides a cut and paste of one conversation and the brochure, Pablo will be able to compare both I find it meaningful, and the fact I showed him were to find the old style shouldn't have gotten a derogatory comment from you, If I feel they are a good deal still what is it to you. I'm sorry if you dont like that but see your way to anther conversation where you can "help"


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#3281393 - 02/13/14 11:52 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46739
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
I ended up buying 4 of the Toshiba bulbs. Since I already have a company Amazon Prime account it's free second day shipping. They all shipped from different locations. Crazy but that tells me they are getting scarce.

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#3282434 - 02/14/14 09:23 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 01/17/14
Posts: 30
Loc: West Michigan
Like I've said we replaced regular 9005, and 9006 with HIR1 and HIR2 by Philips and they are brighter than the bulbs they replaced. I'm not sure it it's due to them "hot-roding" them or not but from my personal experience they are brighter. Just have not compared them to the toshiba brand due to never having a pair

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#3284411 - 02/16/14 06:06 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Dupree]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46739
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: Dupree
just an fyi, amazon has a seller selling toshiba style hir1 bulbs in an ac delco box, these have the old style toshiba bulb shape and coating. they are 23 each i will be installing them tomorrow in my subaru outback. I did check mine and the day time running lamps on mine are the low beams seems dumb of subaru to do high beams for drl since they generally have such a short life span


Now here is the downside. They don't fit my WRX, and it has nothing to do with the tab modification. The main problem so far is the OD of the plastic base right where it inserts in the receptacle. I am making progress, but it's a huge PITA. Anyone fight this battle before?

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#3285932 - 02/18/14 07:24 AM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: B25urgandy]
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Registered: 01/26/11
Posts: 107
Loc: Indianapolis, IN
Originally Posted By: B25urgandy
Like I've said we replaced regular 9005, and 9006 with HIR1 and HIR2 by Philips and they are brighter than the bulbs they replaced. I'm not sure it it's due to them "hot-roding" them or not but from my personal experience they are brighter. Just have not compared them to the toshiba brand due to never having a pair


I've had both (still do) and I don't see any noticeable difference between them when behind the wheel. When professionally tested, the Philips shows a 10% advantage over the Toshibas.

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#3286264 - 02/18/14 02:09 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Pablo]
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im not sure Pablo, mine went right in with just a tab trim, thats weird
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#3286838 - 02/18/14 11:38 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: simple_simon]
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Registered: 01/17/14
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Loc: West Michigan
Originally Posted By: simple_simon


I've had both (still do) and I don't see any noticeable difference between them when behind the wheel. When professionally tested, the Philips shows a 10% advantage over the Toshibas.

you've had the Phillips and the Toshibas? I've only had the Phillips and standard 9005/06 bulbs. I meant I can see a noticeable difference over the standard 9005/06 bulbs. But…that difference now that I think about it was from comparing 2 year old 9005/06 to brand new 9011 and 9012 HIRs. So it was an unfair comparison at the night I installed them.

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#3288028 - 02/20/14 07:38 AM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: B25urgandy]
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Registered: 01/26/11
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Loc: Indianapolis, IN
Originally Posted By: B25urgandy
Originally Posted By: simple_simon


I've had both (still do) and I don't see any noticeable difference between them when behind the wheel. When professionally tested, the Philips shows a 10% advantage over the Toshibas.

you've had the Phillips and the Toshibas? I've only had the Phillips and standard 9005/06 bulbs. I meant I can see a noticeable difference over the standard 9005/06 bulbs. But…that difference now that I think about it was from comparing 2 year old 9005/06 to brand new 9011 and 9012 HIRs. So it was an unfair comparison at the night I installed them.


Yes, I've had both and still have both. Both are a large upgrade from the stock bulbs and an even bigger upgrade when you run 15V to them like I do. Not a single burnt out bulb in all of these years either.

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#3290773 - 02/22/14 03:49 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 2304
Loc: Indiana
I have them in my Jeep. Very nice compared to original.. I just needed a dremel tool to trim up the bulb so it could fit.
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#3290913 - 02/22/14 06:08 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Pablo]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
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Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
The fit of the Philips HIR1 in my WRX just doesn't seem to be happening with just hand tools.

I'm almost there.

This is driving me nuts.

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#3291524 - 02/23/14 11:02 AM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Pablo]
Dupree Offline


Registered: 05/17/07
Posts: 399
Loc: Utah,Vernal (oil land)
its crazy pablo, the last set I put in was in a legacy ll bean, so the bulb body is flat out to thick in circumference ?
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#3291553 - 02/23/14 11:25 AM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Dupree]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46739
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: Dupree
its crazy pablo, the last set I put in was in a legacy ll bean, so the bulb body is flat out to thick in circumference ?


Originally Posted By: Pablo
The fit of the Philips TOSHIBA HIR1 in my WRX just doesn't seem to be happening with just hand tools.

I'm almost there.

This is driving me nuts.


I did a huge typo in my post before this one. I meant to type "Toshiba". Or really the AC Delco boxed Toshiba marked HIR1 65W bulbs.

Anyway it's a combination of shape(s) that cause it not to fit. The diameter at the base (fixed), the thickness of the base plate and position and thickness of the tabs in relation to the datum formed by the inside surface of the base plate. The tabs all line up and now it almost inserts all the way and I can begin to twist it into position. The Philips 9011 in there now is very tight, so it says maybe Subie made these headlight housing on the very tight side.

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#3292358 - 02/23/14 11:39 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Pablo]
B25urgandy Offline


Registered: 01/17/14
Posts: 30
Loc: West Michigan
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Dupree
its crazy pablo, the last set I put in was in a legacy ll bean, so the bulb body is flat out to thick in circumference ?


Originally Posted By: Pablo
The fit of the Philips TOSHIBA HIR1 in my WRX just doesn't seem to be happening with just hand tools.

I'm almost there.

This is driving me nuts.


I did a huge typo in my post before this one. I meant to type "Toshiba". Or really the AC Delco boxed Toshiba marked HIR1 65W bulbs.

Anyway it's a combination of shape(s) that cause it not to fit. The diameter at the base (fixed), the thickness of the base plate and position and thickness of the tabs in relation to the datum formed by the inside surface of the base plate. The tabs all line up and now it almost inserts all the way and I can begin to twist it into position. The Philips 9011 in there now is very tight, so it says maybe Subie made these headlight housing on the very tight side.


stupid question I might have missed the answer but… You trimmed the mounting tabs correct? To make them fit? Sorry you're having problems, work smarter, not harder you'll get it to work. From experience I've come to find Chrylser vehicles are easy to change bulbs on. we had a 97 Stratus and a 2010 Dodge Journey and a 98 intrepid and all were really easy.

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#3292423 - 02/24/14 06:05 AM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: B25urgandy]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46739
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: B25urgandy
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Dupree
its crazy pablo, the last set I put in was in a legacy ll bean, so the bulb body is flat out to thick in circumference ?


Originally Posted By: Pablo
The fit of the Philips TOSHIBA HIR1 in my WRX just doesn't seem to be happening with just hand tools.

I'm almost there.

This is driving me nuts.


I did a huge typo in my post before this one. I meant to type "Toshiba". Or really the AC Delco boxed Toshiba marked HIR1 65W bulbs.

Anyway it's a combination of shape(s) that cause it not to fit. The diameter at the base (fixed), the thickness of the base plate and position and thickness of the tabs in relation to the datum formed by the inside surface of the base plate. The tabs all line up and now it almost inserts all the way and I can begin to twist it into position. The Philips 9011 in there now is very tight, so it says maybe Subie made these headlight housing on the very tight side.


stupid question I might have missed the answer but… You trimmed the mounting tabs correct? To make them fit? Sorry you're having problems, work smarter, not harder you'll get it to work. From experience I've come to find Chrylser vehicles are easy to change bulbs on. we had a 97 Stratus and a 2010 Dodge Journey and a 98 intrepid and all were really easy.


Quote:

Now here is the downside. They don't fit my WRX, and it has nothing to do with the tab modification. The main problem so far is the OD of the plastic base right where it inserts in the receptacle. I am making progress, but it's a huge PITA. Anyone fight this battle before?


Hahhahahaha work smarter not harder!! Work isn't too hard, and most of the smarts were used to figure out the dimensional differences (see above). If I have time tonight - they should now fit or be extremely close. I'm being very cautious because I don't want to remove too much material.

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#3297654 - 02/28/14 06:43 PM Re: PHILIPS 9011/HIR1 [Re: Pablo]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46739
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
OK they are in. They fit perfectly now. Can't wait for the dark!

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