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#3292826 - 02/24/14 01:18 PM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Sunnyinhollister]
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With the epa combined 37 MPG gas only that's equal to 4,144 miles on the gas engine. Looks pretty typical for such a break in run on a new engine with the wear metals. Surprised no moisture present.

Good call on changing it by time.

The volt is rated to use 35 kWh/100 miles. So about 6,800 kWs used for electric. That is subtracting the 4,144 miles from the 23,662 run. Not sure what the efficiency of the charger is if you are figuring out the electric cost to the home.
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#3478559 - 09/09/14 05:53 PM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Sunnyinhollister]
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Fantastic mileage! I love the plugin hybrid concept.

What oil/viscosity did you refill with?
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#3478874 - 09/10/14 06:04 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: 901Memphis]
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I can't speak for effeciancy since battery's are so inefficient.. But that's roughly $816 worth of power if my math is correct compared to my last power bill and that's with 100% efficiency.

On a odd side note its also my former area code.
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#3480728 - 09/12/14 07:58 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Sunnyinhollister]
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10.8kw Hours in Virginia would be around $1.50 with tax, etc. So $1.50 to go 42 to 47 miles is not bad. At the rate you're going, I'd just put synthetic in it and change oil every 3 years or so.
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#3480768 - 09/12/14 08:50 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Sunnyinhollister]
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Son in law has a volt, had his first oil change at 2 years, first time that it had seen any shop and to keep the warranty intact the OCI is 2 years or the OLM. As to electricity cost, he did not notice any real change upon purchase and finally got the 240 charger installed at home and loves that. Wish I had asked him to get an oil sample. I like the car and great for his use but as I said when they purchased it, way overpriced even with the energy credits.

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#3480809 - 09/12/14 09:35 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: 901Memphis]
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Loc: denver, co
This is so interesting. Questions:

- The Volt's gas engine only turns on to run a generator, so its demands on engine oil should be far less than on a regular gas-powered car. True or false?

- Does the gas engine turn at only one specific RPM or a narrow range? If so, how does this affect oil life or stress?

- The first part of my first statement might not be right. According to the wikipedia:
"When the engine is running it may be periodically mechanically linked (by a clutch) to a planetary gear set, and hence the output drive axle, to improve energy efficiency."

- Is the gas/electric switchover point programmable by the user (switch at 50% battery vs. 10%, for example)? What is the factory recommendation & what did the OP use?

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#3480820 - 09/12/14 09:41 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Sunnyinhollister]
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Registered: 10/28/02
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Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
I know I can shop on line and see Volts in the $34K range.

But what did you pay and what are people paying?

Yikes - the wife is really interested. And frankly this type of vehicle would be great for her.

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#3481898 - 09/13/14 12:45 PM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Pablo]
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
I know I can shop on line and see Volts in the $34K range.

But what did you pay and what are people paying?

Yikes - the wife is really interested. And frankly this type of vehicle would be great for her.


I saw one at Disney's Test Track (sponsored by GM) last summer with a sticker price of $43,500. It looked like a base model too IIRC.

I thought the sticker said it got around 50 MPG? Was this just with the gas engine/ no charging. With the OP's usage of around 211 MPG, that really changes my opinion of them..
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#3482473 - 09/14/14 06:03 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Sunnyinhollister]
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Including incentives, rebates and discounts, you can get a base Volt for $20k. I'm into mine for about $22k plus tax, sticker was a hair under $36k.

Here's the breakdown for mine:
$36k MSRP
$4000 discount off MSRP
$7500 tax credit
$1500 CA cash rebate
$750 USAA member discount
$500 Costco gift card

Dealers are knocking $5k of sticker now, and there are additional incentives, compared to when I bought mine.
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#3482483 - 09/14/14 06:28 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Pablo]
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Registered: 08/18/14
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Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Yikes - the wife is really interested. And frankly this type of vehicle would be great for her.


If we weren't so used to gas, I suspect a majority of people would readily concede an electric car is the better option.

I think the Leaf is the best option in most cases, you just have to let go of not having an engine.

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#3482589 - 09/14/14 10:13 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Sunnyinhollister]
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Registered: 06/27/09
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Loc: Hollister, CA
I'm gone for a while and did nt notice this thread had resurfaced, so I'll try and answer some of the questions.

I re-filled with M1 EP 5W-30 I had laying around.

I think in some ways the oil is stressed more in this application because the engine turns on and immediately revs to 2k+ rpms then shuts off after a little while. The oil rarely see operating temperature.

The electric/gas switch over point is not selectable, but on the newer Volts I believe there is a "hold" mode so you can maintain a desired state of charge for the battery.

Lifetime MPG is up to 250 mpg now.

The computer says we've used 11.3 gallons in the last 7300+ miles.

The Leaf seems to be a decent car, but you can't hop in and drive from SF to LA non-stop in one.
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#3482590 - 09/14/14 10:15 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Apollo14]
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Registered: 02/12/13
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Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Yikes - the wife is really interested. And frankly this type of vehicle would be great for her.


If we weren't so used to gas, I suspect a majority of people would readily concede an electric car is the better option.

I think the Leaf is the best option in most cases, you just have to let go of not having an engine.

You also have to let go of your fear of driving more than 30 miles from home. And your fear of flat bed tow trucks.
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#3482592 - 09/14/14 10:16 AM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: Apollo14]
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Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 9562
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Yikes - the wife is really interested. And frankly this type of vehicle would be great for her.


If we weren't so used to gas, I suspect a majority of people would readily concede an electric car is the better option.

I think the Leaf is the best option in most cases, you just have to let go of not having an engine.


An electric car might be a viable option for those who regularly drive only short trips.
A Leaf would not be sufficient for my daily commute in very cold weather, although it would be fine in the warmer months.
Then there's the simple fact that I can drive either Accord or the BMW 500 miles on a tank of fuel and another 500 miles of range requires only a ten minute stop at any gas station.
An electric car can work for some drivers, although whether the economics make sense will require a careful review of the lifecycle costs involved.
A new battery pack would not be cheap and its cost would pretty well negate the savings in running costs.
Also, the existing power generation and distirbution infrastructure would not support any significant number of electric cars.
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#3482843 - 09/14/14 05:08 PM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: bigt61]
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Registered: 08/18/14
Posts: 884
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: bigt61
Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Yikes - the wife is really interested. And frankly this type of vehicle would be great for her.


If we weren't so used to gas, I suspect a majority of people would readily concede an electric car is the better option.

I think the Leaf is the best option in most cases, you just have to let go of not having an engine.

You also have to let go of your fear of driving more than 30 miles from home. And your fear of flat bed tow trucks.


It's nowhere near as low as 30 miles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf#Range

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#3482847 - 09/14/14 05:16 PM Re: Volt 23,662 miles Factory Fill [Re: fdcg27]
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Registered: 08/18/14
Posts: 884
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
An electric car might be a viable option for those who regularly drive only short trips.
A Leaf would not be sufficient for my daily commute in very cold weather, although it would be fine in the warmer months.
Then there's the simple fact that I can drive either Accord or the BMW 500 miles on a tank of fuel and another 500 miles of range requires only a ten minute stop at any gas station.
An electric car can work for some drivers, although whether the economics make sense will require a careful review of the lifecycle costs involved.
A new battery pack would not be cheap and its cost would pretty well negate the savings in running costs.
Also, the existing power generation and distirbution infrastructure would not support any significant number of electric cars.


Sure your personal needs are your personal needs, and most people need some sort of vehicle for longer trips.

But the idea is that on a daily basis, there are a large number of people whose total mileage remains in the single digits.

You charge your electric vehicle at night time, when the electricity demand is low and the supply is in surplus. That electricity is actually otherwise wasted.

There is no need to actually invest in more power plants nor is there any increase in any emissions from the power plant.

Inductive charging at home would mean not having to stop at gas stations nor spend any time refueling and the technology could be set to only recharge at off peak times as the plug in chargers can be already.

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