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#3285036 - 02/17/14 10:36 AM Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke?
addyguy Offline


Registered: 09/08/05
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Loc: Canada
Just wondering 2 things:

What is the difference between TCW-3 2-stroke oil, and 'regular' 2-stroke oil; and

Would there be any long-term harm in running 'regular' 2-stroke oil as a UCL, instead of TCW-3? Those who use 2-stroke as a UCL seem to push using a TCW-3 product, not 'regular' stuff.

Just curious....
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#3285051 - 02/17/14 10:50 AM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: addyguy]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
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tc-w3 is for watercooled application

tc is for air cooled, also has more ash

then you can get into jaso FD etc.


Edited by Rand (02/17/14 10:50 AM)
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#3285073 - 02/17/14 11:10 AM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: addyguy]
Ramblejam Offline


Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 1019
Loc: Kentucky
Briefly --

TC-W3: Marine (water-cooled), ashless detergents.
JASO/ISO: Land (air-cooled), ash-type detergents.

As for automotive UCL usage, TC-W3 is appropriate as the ashless formulation will curb deposit formation. Using a "regular" oil would be inappropriate, as the low temperatures would lead to nasty desposit accumulation.

There are of course exceptions, but that's the basics.

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#3285169 - 02/17/14 12:47 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: addyguy]
901Memphis Offline


Registered: 08/14/10
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Loc: Northern Kentucky
Are you guys using the TC-W3 mineral or synthetic formula?
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#3285227 - 02/17/14 01:49 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: 901Memphis]
wag123 Offline


Registered: 06/14/11
Posts: 553
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Are you guys using the TC-W3 mineral or synthetic formula?

For this particular purpose, it doesn't matter. Just use the cheapest 2-cycle oil that meets the TCW3 standard. For our intended use, it is the additive package that is the most important factor. I have had excellent results using the cheap WalMart oil that you can buy by the gallon.


Edited by wag123 (02/17/14 01:54 PM)

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#3285245 - 02/17/14 02:09 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: wag123]
Ramblejam Offline


Registered: 11/05/13
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Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: wag123
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Are you guys using the TC-W3 mineral or synthetic formula?

For this particular purpose, it doesn't matter.


Here's the product I've been using:



Reading the label, it appears very similar to Evinrude XD50: http://shop.evinrude.com/product/343544/764354/_/XD_50_2-Cycle_Oil

Superior lubricity and combustion cleaner makes for a nice UCL...

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#3285396 - 02/17/14 04:42 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: addyguy]
dailydriver Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 7097
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
^^^ I wonder if that is the Pennzoil stuff in an Evinrude bottle??

I use the synthetic Red Line Watercraft Injection Oil, when I can find it. frown
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#3285525 - 02/17/14 06:50 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: dailydriver]
Ramblejam Offline


Registered: 11/05/13
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Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
^^^ I wonder if that is the Pennzoil stuff in an Evinrude bottle?


How do you figure that?

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#3287503 - 02/19/14 06:02 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: Ramblejam]
dailydriver Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 7097
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
^^^ I wonder if that is the Pennzoil stuff in an Evinrude bottle?


How do you figure that?


Just that there are not too many manufacturing a semi-synthetic TCW-3 oil, and I highly doubt that Evinrude-Johnson has an oil cracking plant anywhere.
But yes, it could be made by Conoco Phillips, or others. wink
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#3287511 - 02/19/14 06:08 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: wag123]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 7437
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: wag123
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Are you guys using the TC-W3 mineral or synthetic formula?

For this particular purpose, it doesn't matter. Just use the cheapest 2-cycle oil that meets the TCW3 standard. For our intended use, it is the additive package that is the most important factor. I have had excellent results using the cheap WalMart oil that you can buy by the gallon.



I agree.
Tc-w3 is a spec. If the 2 stroke oil used meets this spec then its equal in performance to all others that meet the tc-w3 spec.
As an ucl using an expensive synthetic is absurd. Buy the cheapest available. It'll perform identically to any other tc-w3.
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#3287860 - 02/19/14 11:55 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: Clevy]
Ramblejam Offline


Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 1019
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Tc-w3 is a spec. If the 2 stroke oil used meets this spec then its equal in performance to all others that meet the tc-w3 spec.


I hope you're just talking about TC-W3 within the confines of UCL usage.

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#3287906 - 02/20/14 02:26 AM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: addyguy]
MrQuackers Offline


Registered: 08/17/12
Posts: 1076
Loc: Oregon
i bought a gallon of ST TCW3 after reading Sarge's most excellent "been testing" thread. What a great maintenance procedure. I had the best DEQ results I have ever seen because of it. I just ran out of the Super Tech and just started using the Pennzoil TCW3 that I got for 49 cents a quart thanks to the 5 off 5 thing O'Reilly did last spring.
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#3287984 - 02/20/14 06:55 AM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: Ramblejam]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 7437
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Tc-w3 is a spec. If the 2 stroke oil used meets this spec then its equal in performance to all others that meet the tc-w3 spec.


I hope you're just talking about TC-W3 within the confines of UCL usage.




Yes. Only as it pertains to using it as an upper cylinder lube.
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#3288642 - 02/20/14 04:25 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: Clevy]
dailydriver Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 7097
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: wag123
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Are you guys using the TC-W3 mineral or synthetic formula?

For this particular purpose, it doesn't matter. Just use the cheapest 2-cycle oil that meets the TCW3 standard. For our intended use, it is the additive package that is the most important factor. I have had excellent results using the cheap WalMart oil that you can buy by the gallon.



I agree.
Tc-w3 is a spec. If the 2 stroke oil used meets this spec then its equal in performance to all others that meet the tc-w3 spec.
As an ucl using an expensive synthetic is absurd. Buy the cheapest available. It'll perform identically to any other tc-w3.


So do you think that even the Pennzoil semi-synth stuff is "too good", and a waste of money?? (SERIOUS question, NO sarcasm/animosity inferred or implied. wink )
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Red Line 0W-40/Sustina 0W-20 (20/80 mix)
Fram Ultra filter
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#3289816 - 02/21/14 05:34 PM Re: Differences between TCW-3 and regular 2-stroke? [Re: dailydriver]
wag123 Offline


Registered: 06/14/11
Posts: 553
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: wag123
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Are you guys using the TC-W3 mineral or synthetic formula?

For this particular purpose, it doesn't matter. Just use the cheapest 2-cycle oil that meets the TCW3 standard. For our intended use, it is the additive package that is the most important factor. I have had excellent results using the cheap WalMart oil that you can buy by the gallon.



I agree.
Tc-w3 is a spec. If the 2 stroke oil used meets this spec then its equal in performance to all others that meet the tc-w3 spec.
As an ucl using an expensive synthetic is absurd. Buy the cheapest available. It'll perform identically to any other tc-w3.


So do you think that even the Pennzoil semi-synth stuff is "too good", and a waste of money?? (SERIOUS question, NO sarcasm/animosity inferred or implied. wink )

It isn't "too good", just a waste of money grin

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