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#3281725 - 02/14/14 10:10 AM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: MolaKule]
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Excellent info! Love it. Thank you, thank you, thank you....
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#3380078 - 05/24/14 02:20 PM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: MolaKule]
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my mom told me that iam NEVER to old to learn. the older i get the more i know i dont know much at all. thanks.

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#3381923 - 05/27/14 04:18 AM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: MolaKule]
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Thanks Molakule...great info as usual.

"It is believed that the polar polyetheramine’s attach to the hydrocarbon deposit and via thermodynamic activation, softens the carbon. The flowstream across the valves and inside the combustion chamber then blow the hydrocarbon deposits to the exhaust stream.

Increases in hydrocarbon loads not only exit the exhaust stream, but can also enter the oil. It is always a good idea to change the oil after using a strong fuel system cleaner."


This is what I've always believed and is the reason I run a PEA FSC near the end of my OCI. I also believe it is better to run it during short trip driving (several stop and starts to allow the PEA to 'soak in' to the valves etc...) rather than on a long highway drive. It seems like a long highway drive is a good thing subsequent to the FSC treatment (to blow out the previously softened carbon).

I've also always felt that using FSC's in warmer weather was more effective but I'm probably being anal....




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#3435356 - 07/25/14 02:05 PM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: MolaKule]
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#3435616 - 07/25/14 06:24 PM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: MolaKule]
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"Most amine compounds are made by the reaction of some form of ammonia, NH3, with other chemicals."

Witch other chemicals would be?
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#3436404 - 07/26/14 02:54 PM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: Rosetta]
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Originally Posted By: Rosetta
"Most amine compounds are made by the reaction of some form of ammonia, NH3, with other chemicals."

Witch other chemicals would be?


Too long a list to post here.

One can always consult an Organic Chemistry book and see some of the other compounds.

One could always start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amine
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#3436582 - 07/26/14 06:26 PM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: Quest]
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Originally Posted By: Quest
Mola,

Your valuable contribution to this BITOG community is highly appreciated as always.

Q.



I couldn't agree more.

Thanks Molekule
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#3436819 - 07/26/14 10:13 PM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: MolaKule]
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No, just look for most epoxy (like Araldite) glue, the hardener part is mostly PEA. Jeffamine D400 (Huntsman) or Baxxodur EC302 (BASF), they're pure PEA.
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#3436950 - 07/27/14 12:51 AM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: Rosetta]
MolaKule Offline


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Originally Posted By: Rosetta
No, just look for most epoxy (like Araldite) glue, the hardener part is mostly PEA. Jeffamine D400 (Huntsman) or Baxxodur EC302 (BASF), they're pure PEA.


The current topic and the one that is the focus of this discussion
is PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives.

We're not discussing adhesives, curing agents, or cutting fluids or any other off-topic compound.
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#3437146 - 07/27/14 09:13 AM Re: PEA and Amine-based Fuel System Additives [Re: MolaKule]
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I'm sorry, I thought I was discussing some PEA also, where it is also found. smile
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