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#3281468 - 02/14/14 03:46 AM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: jonny-b]
jonny-b Offline


Registered: 01/06/06
Posts: 1071
Loc: Norway
I believe you are on thin ice here, kschacn.

What you consider dubious claims, may look different, to others.

I am very glad I decided to try it, after a couple of months sitting on the fence.

It looks like most people that have tried it, are impressed.

You are ruining this tread because of stupid questions, that you know (since I told I will not report until after I have driven 2000 km)I will not answer, yet.

People get tired when they read meaningless hypothesis and speculations about a product.
From a person who haven't even seen the product in real life.

That's the difference from belief to knowledge.

We all know what kind of damage belief and religion can do, and what you appear to do is quite similar.

You have only changed out the religion with your hate against additives.

Why can't you be quiet for a while, so that people who have actually tried this, can report their findings?

If you feel an itching desire to write something, start your own tread.

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#3281926 - 02/14/14 12:30 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: jonny-b]
Tron1 Offline


Registered: 04/29/10
Posts: 31
Loc: SACRAMENTO, CA USA
I am on the fence re: the fuel system additive... and I am aware that others use it and claim it works..... I would like to keep the criticisms non-personal and focused on the product. I appreciate the points of view of both jonny-b and kschachn re: Archoil...but as far as I am concerned the personal differences miss the point of a good, objective, discussion.
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#3282035 - 02/14/14 01:59 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: jonny-b]
SteveSRT8 Offline


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Jonny-b got what he deserved. As he said himself, he sure ain't no diplomat. I agree.

How it works around here is we share stories and anecdotal experiences, but once in a while some 'proof' is requested. When that happens you can be a jerk and tell the guy to buzz off like Jonny-b did or you could consider responding in a civil tone.

I occasionally use additives, and I cannot always provide iron clad proof of their effectiveness. But in an open forum it may be unreasonable to expect everyone to simply do as you tell them! Not likely at all when done brusquely...
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#3282089 - 02/14/14 02:52 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: jonny-b]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
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Yeah, at first you think you are having a rational discussion but then realize it isn't rational, and will go nowhere.

jonny-b you win. The specs and claims that Archoil publishes about AR6200 are all sound, as is their testing methodology. I didn't realize my questions were stupid and that I shouldn't be questioning their published data that you yourself posted. I didn't know that taking what they said without questioning it was, as you say, "the difference from belief to knowledge".

Above all I did not realize my questions were "meaningless hypothesis and speculations about a product". You see, I thought that described the product's claims instead. I also didn't know that "testing it personally, is that you can see/feel/measure what differences that occur" was what was important. I thought what was important was the integrity of the claims the manufacturer made for the product, backed by at least a shred of substantiated test data.

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#3282360 - 02/14/14 07:38 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: jonny-b]
jonny-b Offline


Registered: 01/06/06
Posts: 1071
Loc: Norway
"Just wonder if anyone here has tried AR6200, over more than 1000 miles?

If you haven't, don't bother to write anything, since it won't be of any value".


This is the excact wordings that starts this tread.

Can it be said much clearer?

Which part of it didn't you understand, kschacn?[color:#FF0000][/color]


Edited by jonny-b (02/14/14 07:39 PM)

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#3282453 - 02/14/14 09:45 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: jonny-b]
badtlc Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
Posts: 3819
Loc: KC
I rule in favor of jonny-b. It really sucks when a thread specifically makes a request and others feel they are too smart to comply.

I feel your pain jonny-b. It happens all the time on this site and is the worst part of this site now days. Sticking to a topic is impossible. Keep fighting the good fight. Hopefully some people who have tried it will chime in soon.

I'd like to try archoil products if I can find them for a reasonable price and would love to read the experiences of others.
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#3282852 - 02/15/14 10:35 AM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: jonny-b]
boxcartommie22 Offline


Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 3000
Loc: moutain country
I agree with badtlc about this site!! however, it is till a great site to learn from. archoil is awesome and a sleeper that has come to life.


Edited by boxcartommie22 (02/15/14 10:36 AM)
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#3284297 - 02/16/14 04:17 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: jonny-b]
dailydriver Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 7097
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
^^^Yes, and some wonder WHY I sometimes feel the need to 'pre-emptively strike' in threads I start on here! LOL
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#3284817 - 02/17/14 06:28 AM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: dailydriver]
SteveSRT8 Offline


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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
^^^Yes, and some wonder WHY I sometimes feel the need to 'pre-emptively strike' in threads I start on here! LOL


But seriously, think about it and you can't possibly think it's not going to fire someone up when you tell them to shut up and go away because you don't appreciate their comments?

It's a public forum. Expect dissent, people who want to censor the comments in threads are thinking very unreasonably. It's going to happen...
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#3284844 - 02/17/14 07:19 AM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: SteveSRT8]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 21382
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
^^^Yes, and some wonder WHY I sometimes feel the need to 'pre-emptively strike' in threads I start on here! LOL


But seriously, think about it and you can't possibly think it's not going to fire someone up when you tell them to shut up and go away because you don't appreciate their comments?

It's a public forum. Expect dissent, people who want to censor the comments in threads are thinking very unreasonably. It's going to happen...


This is true. However when you spell it all out, and are very specific in who should answer, meaning only people who used the product in this case, it can be frustrating. I've seen it in other threads where very specific questions were asked, and people twist things around just to reply ignoring the question and how it was asked.
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#3285389 - 02/17/14 04:36 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: demarpaint]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 2678
Loc: Upper Midwest
And then of course it can be frustrating when a poster says they only want one thing, but then make two long posts detailing claims the manufacturer is making for the product. Then when a response is made to those posts, they make no effort to comment on the questions raised, but instead cry foul that the rules were broken - rules they themselves broke in the first place.

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
This is true. However when you spell it all out, and are very specific in who should answer, meaning only people who used the product in this case, it can be frustrating. I've seen it in other threads where very specific questions were asked, and people twist things around just to reply ignoring the question and how it was asked.
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#3285400 - 02/17/14 04:45 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: kschachn]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 21382
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: kschachn
And then of course it can be frustrating when a poster says they only want one thing, but then make two long posts detailing claims the manufacturer is making for the product. Then when a response is made to those posts, they make no effort to comment on the questions raised, but instead cry foul that the rules were broken - rules they themselves broke in the first place.



I hear ya, I think he wanted to hear from people who actually used the product, and the thread blew up. Tough to find users since it seems to be a fairly new product. I heard about it a month or so ago here.
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#3285409 - 02/17/14 05:01 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: SteveSRT8]
dailydriver Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 7097
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
^^^Yes, and some wonder WHY I sometimes feel the need to 'pre-emptively strike' in threads I start on here! LOL


But seriously, think about it and you can't possibly think it's not going to fire someone up when you tell them to shut up and go away because you don't appreciate their comments?

It's a public forum. Expect dissent, people who want to censor the comments in threads are thinking very unreasonably. It's going to happen...


I am speaking of when the thread starter SPECIFICALLY/EMPHATICALLY states, right in the FIRST post, that they don't want or need the negative 'sidebar' type comments and opinions, and dissing of what they are asking about/doing, just DIRECT answers to their question(s), but those who INSIST on getting their zealous 2cents in, do so anyway.

I especially see this when discussing premium boutique oils and their add packs/base stock compositions.
Of course everything from a 250K mile Yugo to a brand new Italia Speciale will 'survive' on PYB, but who needs this site if we just default to the cheapest/bargain oil one can find, and everyone just disses those who use an oil which is deemed "too good/overkill" for their app??

This site used to be about discussing the latest and greatest, top notch, exceptional oils/lubes/etc., NOT just the bottom line, "good enough", 'bargains' (I am told that is one of the reasons so many informative people have left. shrug )

Otherwise, if not requested by the thread starter, YES, it should be an open/free discussion. wink
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#3285483 - 02/17/14 06:17 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: dailydriver]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 2678
Loc: Upper Midwest
And then the thread starter posts two detailed posts of what the manufacturer's claims are, and when a response is made to those claims will not permit a discussion of his own posts.

And where did anyone, myself included, "diss" what he was asking or doing? I did question and refute the manufacturer's claims and statements, but never "dissed" the poster. He however, did "diss" me by calling me "stupid" and "rude", and demanded that I not address him any more.

The claims posted that came from the manufacturer, are at best dubious and more likely downright dishonest. As someone who knows a little about chemistry - and I did state it was a little - should I just sit here and be quiet? Should I?

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I am speaking of when the thread starterSPECIFICALLY/EMPHATICALLY states, right in the FIRST post, that they don't want or need the negative 'sidebar' type comments and opinions, and dissing of what they are asking about/doing, just DIRECT answers to their question(s), but those who INSIST on getting their zealous 2cents in, do so anyway.
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#3285581 - 02/17/14 07:44 PM Re: Archoil AR6200 [Re: jonny-b]
boxcartommie22 Offline


Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 3000
Loc: moutain country
enough is enough!!



lets go back to the original topic ar 6200..
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