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#3262914 - 01/28/14 05:37 PM Urea injection for diesel
wemay Offline


Registered: 04/04/12
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Why do some vehicles require this, i.e., Chevy Cruze Diesel and others do not, like the Jetta TDI? What is the main purpose?
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#3262922 - 01/28/14 05:45 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Urea is used to help meet more stringent emissions requirements. TDIs will soon utilize urea as well. Some TDI applications already use urea (Passat, Touareg).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
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#3262925 - 01/28/14 05:47 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
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Registered: 08/05/02
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Why do some vehicles require this, i.e., Chevy Cruze Diesel and others do not, like the Jetta TDI? What is the main purpose?



The main purpose is to get rid of the high NOX emission on diesel. Some cars don't require it because they run rich once in a while to provide enough HC and CO to be burnt and neutralize with the NOX. With urea you do not have to do that (and in theory can run at higher efficiency overall).
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#3262931 - 01/28/14 05:50 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
wemay Offline


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thanks guys
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#3262938 - 01/28/14 05:55 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
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It is a reagent in the catalytic process to get rid of NOx. In the USA, we're held hostage by California's geography and thus we can call 8 MPG SUVs "partial zero" emissions vehicles, while diesels are "gross polluters" when they return 50 MPG - and are forced to have this claptrap.

Actually Id rather have urea than not, and go another route. I think the processes to prevent NOx in diesels are worse than the aftertreatment...

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#3262944 - 01/28/14 05:59 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
wemay Offline


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'claptrap' LOLOL...
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#3262970 - 01/28/14 06:18 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
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Like the PPM [censored] when comparing a 10 mpg vehicle to a 40 mpg vehicle. Thank you auto industry lobby.
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#3262971 - 01/28/14 06:18 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
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Standard three-way catalytic converter doesn't really work on diesels, since they are stratified-charge engines that run very lean and therefore have too much oxygen in the exhaust.
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#3263117 - 01/28/14 08:13 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
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what is the cost of the urea
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#3263123 - 01/28/14 08:17 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: edwardh1]
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DEF (urea in 32.5% solution with water) runs about $6/gallon in store, or under $3/gallon at truck stops with DEF pumps.
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#3263300 - 01/28/14 11:17 PM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
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Registered: 01/04/08
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Loc: Central Iowa
I would have much rather the Urea/SCR thing would have been done first instead of the EGR [censored]. I don't care for any of this stuff, but having all emissions stuff handled outside the engine is a far better way to do it than making an engine eat it's own feces. As a side note, it has been shone that they can reduce EGR because of the SCR, and this in turn allows the engine to be more efficient and in turn the DPF doesn't have to do regens as frequently. Now, if they could just do away with the EGR, things might be more tolerable.
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#3263600 - 01/29/14 09:52 AM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
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Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 17
Loc: Vincennes, IN.
The Chevy Cruze does in face have a Urea injection system. The storage tank is located in the trunk.

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#3263609 - 01/29/14 10:04 AM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: Stephen M.]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Originally Posted By: Stephen M.
The Chevy Cruze does in face have a Urea injection system.

Yuck. smile
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#3263616 - 01/29/14 10:20 AM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
wemay Offline


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Chevy advises to fill every 10k mi or so. Out of curiosity, what would happen if you failed to do so?
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#3263676 - 01/29/14 11:07 AM Re: Urea injection for diesel [Re: wemay]
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Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 5682
Loc: Michigan
The vehicle would go into a limp home mode until you refilled the urea container. I think if you go past a given number of miles with the urea system empty, it will refuse to start.
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