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#3258377 - 01/24/14 08:55 AM APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t
DuckRyder Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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And gets 245HP

http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_18tsi_gen3_trans.html



Also note the stock car puts out better than rated horsepower, which has become expected with TSI's.

Wheelhorsepower for 5speed.

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#3258402 - 01/24/14 09:15 AM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: DuckRyder]
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Impressive.
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#3258410 - 01/24/14 09:23 AM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: Quattro Pete]
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I thought so as well, the "Gen3" 2.0 should be interesting...
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#3258443 - 01/24/14 09:49 AM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: DuckRyder]
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Interesting but the folks who do that to my wife car (2005 Legacy GT wagon) are complaining about blown up this or that eventually.
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#3258538 - 01/24/14 11:09 AM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: rjundi]
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Subarus are off topic, but:

With possible exception of the clutch you'd have to be doing something pretty dumb to blow up a VW with a stage 1 software update IMO.

With APR's "Clutch Protection" one might not even have to worry about the clutch and Gen 3 cars may come with stronger clutches... Some of the folks who have had clutches replaced in the TSI's have reported a new part number and increased pedal firmness. Not sure anyone has had a Gen3 apart.
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#3258589 - 01/24/14 12:02 PM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: DuckRyder]
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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Subarus are off topic, but:

With possible exception of the clutch you'd have to be doing something pretty dumb to blow up a VW with a stage 1 software update IMO.


Impressed with the #'s but does the tuner make a tune that lasts? Stage 1 which I missed I am guessing is pure software update no change in exhaust system correct? That is what it means in Subie terms.
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#3258615 - 01/24/14 12:30 PM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: rjundi]
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Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Subarus are off topic, but:

With possible exception of the clutch you'd have to be doing something pretty dumb to blow up a VW with a stage 1 software update IMO.


Impressed with the #'s but does the tuner make a tune that lasts? Stage 1 which I missed I am guessing is pure software update no change in exhaust system correct? That is what it means in Subie terms.


That is my understanding software only...

I have no personal experience but APR has a pretty good rep in VW circles.
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#3258654 - 01/24/14 01:08 PM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: DuckRyder]
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Registered: 02/28/10
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I have been thinking about an APR Stage 1 tune for my car for about a year. Reason why I have not done it yet is basically due to VW reliability issues. Water pump failures, intake manifold failures, tensionor failures, which are all "known" problems. I just had my Water Pump replaced on a my car at 12k miles.

People say, "oh those are known problems and have nothing to do with the tune" CORRECT BUT these issues may be amplified by placing more stress on the components, of which a tune would do by increasing boost, etc.

I have modified cars for over 20 yrs, and for the past 10 yrs I have been modifying Lancer Evolutions for DD and track duty. I was spoiled with the Evo and its reliability. Now I step into VW arena. As much as I love the GTI and all, I do not have the confidence with this car or the TSI as I did with the Evo and the 4G63.

I mean look under the hood of the GTI for example, The TSI on paper looks stout internally, but when you consider modifications, you see WAY too much plastic bits that would have to be upgraded to hold boost properly. Example? The intake manifold, intercooler, intercooler plumbiing, diverter valve, not to mention a plastic water pump and housing. All this does not add up to reliability when the boost goes up.

Though this is just my "opinion" and im basing my opinion on modifying cars since 1991 and though I am no "pro" I just feel certain applications are best left alone. This being one of them.

Will a Stage 1 tune really mess things up? Its a coin toss IMO and to be honest 50/50 are odds I just dont like to have in a DD car.

Now if APR would give a warranty with their tunes like DINAN does for BMW?? Then that would be a different story.

Just my ten cents.... boxing

Let the bashing begin.

Jeff


Edited by Jeffs2006EvoIX (01/24/14 01:13 PM)
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#3258706 - 01/24/14 02:17 PM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: DuckRyder]
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while the gains are very impressive, APR's dyno sheets always seem [censored] to me. Always over inflated somehow someway.
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#3258709 - 01/24/14 02:26 PM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: bowlofturtle]
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Originally Posted By: bowlofturtle
while the gains are very impressive, APR's dyno sheets always seem [censored] to me. Always over inflated somehow someway.

I think that's why they posted the comparison video. You're either happy with this level of performance gain or you're not.
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#3258817 - 01/24/14 04:32 PM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: bowlofturtle]
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Originally Posted By: bowlofturtle
while the gains are very impressive, APR's dyno sheets always seem [censored] to me. Always over inflated somehow someway.


funny u have a list of japan cars. Does Apr ever mod japan cars and how did u reach this conclusion?

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#3259375 - 01/25/14 08:44 AM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: taurus_sable]
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I would only point out that this is a completely new engine, and plastic intake manifolds and water pumps (and failure of same) are not exclusive to VW.

Arin at APR talks about the variations in this engine a bit in this thread:

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72034

Some information on the Generation 3 engine here:

http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswagen-news/beetle-turbo-and-jetta-gli-to-get-new-2-0t-with-210hp/
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#3259938 - 01/25/14 06:48 PM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: DuckRyder]
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It's irrelevant if it not only applies to VW the fact is VW has them.

I know APR knows their stuff. It's too bad that their "dealers" are not as good as they are. Horror stories galore. APR gave a warranty like Dinan they would get more business.

Just my ten cents.

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#3260098 - 01/25/14 09:44 PM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: DuckRyder]
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I only have BMW's currently, but that doesn't mean I don't pay close attention to Porsche (looking to snag a 997 GT3 RS; friend has the incredible and incredibly rare RS 4.0 that I constantly try to buy from him).
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#3261892 - 01/27/14 07:16 PM Re: APR tunes the VW Gen 3 EA888 1.8t [Re: DuckRyder]
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Nlecsan your 328 puts out about the same whp as my last tracked Evo 9 MR. Loved that car. Cops did too unfortunately ha ha.

Good times.

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