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#3256492 - 01/22/14 04:10 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: SteveSRT8]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
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Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Clevy,

Expect the Pstar to become DI and maybe even Fiat will bring in their Multi Air patents as well. It would then easily lead the pack in both power AND fuel usage.

And they already have a nine speed ZF unit mated to the smaller displacement Pstar in the new Jeeps. This unit is made for FWD and would be the most likely combo.



Thanks Steve.

I will give it to dodge. At least they are making this segment interesting for the demographic of potential customers.
I wouldn't even have looked at a dodge van prior to these ones. I really like the diesel option and the pentastar is proving itself across many platforms,so I think its a natural in this type of application.
Vvt and multi-air could really give it stump pulling torque off the line,which it would need if it was lugging around 4000 pounds every moment of life.
And I really find the fwd aspect very interesting and makes the van more appealing to me as far as real everyday usage.
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#3256496 - 01/22/14 04:19 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: bullwinkle]
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Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 4001
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I'm not seeing the usefullness here-we have 2 Transits, and they are USELESS in snow! There's no way the Fiat/Dodge would be able to carry the 4K in weight that I do, nor pull a 7K trailer!


4430lb payload, actually!
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#3256508 - 01/22/14 04:29 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 23929
Loc: ME
I went looking for this thing on fueleconomy.gov.

Doesn't show up. Must be over 8500 lbs, a heavy 3/4 ton.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

They'll program it for anti-abuse, but we all know that only goes so far.

But the transit connect survives with a 4 cyl/ 4 speed auto. (?)

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#3256528 - 01/22/14 05:09 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Totally different type of vehicle. The Transit Connect is a tiny van, this is a FULL-SIZED CARGO VAN!
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#3256537 - 01/22/14 05:25 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Honestly, we've had several Sprinters as well (Dodge unfortunately), and they pretty much ate us alive on maintenance & repairs, not to mention the rusting body panels (bubbling from the inside out, pretty much on every body seam). Assuming Fiat has built these in Europe for a while, maybe they have a handle on their problems/issues-but my confidence in the local Dodge dealers isn't that good, we had to do serious dealer shopping to find ones that were any good.
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#3256552 - 01/22/14 05:46 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: DuckRyder]
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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder


And why wouldn't it be a Fiat? They own Chrysler now...
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#3256656 - 01/22/14 07:18 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Hokiefyd]
MrHorspwer Offline


Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 860
Loc: Michigan
Best headline for the Ram Promaster, courtesy of Jalopnik:

Quote:
Non-Van Ram Man May Buy ProMaster Van, Become Pro-ProMaster Ram Van Master-Man

You there! Are you a man who likes Rams, but not vans? Then you should consider buying the Ram ProMaster van, and then you'll become a man who is both for the ProMaster Ram Van and a master man.

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#3256687 - 01/22/14 07:39 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Registered: 06/27/10
Posts: 2202
Loc: Stamford, CT / Rochester, NY
IMO, FWD is useless for carrying heavy loads or towing, as adding weight at the rear either doesn't change or reduces drive traction, rather than increasing it. If I needed a van, something like this would be solidly at the bottom of my list.
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#3256689 - 01/22/14 07:40 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: mrsilv04]
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Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 1434
Loc: Atlanta
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04


And why wouldn't it be a Fiat? They own Chrysler now...


Naw you don't say...

confused

I thought that was fairly obvious... so obvious in fact I felt like it went without saying... crackmeup
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#3256698 - 01/22/14 07:42 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Registered: 10/01/02
Posts: 2381
Loc: Brownsville, TX
It's meant for commercial work, looks is not part of the design.....DUH!

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#3256865 - 01/22/14 09:38 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Registered: 06/01/11
Posts: 5059
Loc: CT
Its a Fiat, Dodge/Ram is turning into just a name. Fiat is going to gut Chrysler in 10 years, keep the names that make money, scrap the ones that don't and start selling Fiat's.

Ram is going to be the trucks/commercial since Fiat doesn't make pickup trucks.
SRT is performance.
Chrysler will be luxury.
Fiat will be mainstream.
Jeep will be offroad and SUV's or spun off/sold.

Dodge will be joining Oldsmobile and Pontiac in the sky after they take it out behind the shed and shoot it.



Edited by hattaresguy (01/22/14 09:45 PM)

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#3256986 - 01/23/14 01:51 AM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Registered: 07/14/07
Posts: 293
Loc: hawaii
I test drove a 159"WB 3500 high roof recently. I liked the low floor, the huge opening rear and sliding doors that allow you load palletized stuff with a forklift no problem. The turning radius was tight for a vehicle its size and although i drove it empty, the Pentastar V6 had decent power. The way it's geared it should do ok when loaded also. The cab had seats for 3 and lots of stuff for todays electronic gadgets. USB, aux input, 12v power outs, bluetooth with steering wheel control for it and audio. Also handy were the clipboard built into the center armrest, overhead bins for things and rear view cam.

They'll sell lots of them.

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#3257045 - 01/23/14 05:28 AM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: rslifkin]
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Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 14784
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
IMO, FWD is useless for carrying heavy loads or towing, as adding weight at the rear either doesn't change or reduces drive traction, rather than increasing it. If I needed a van, something like this would be solidly at the bottom of my list.


Sachs Nivomats solve that issue nicely. They're on my car and they are an amazing self leveling shock with no other parts on the car!
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#3257181 - 01/23/14 08:50 AM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 6523
Loc: Onondaga County
Raising the rear end will still make all of the weight over the rear axle. If the load is behind the rear axle, it will , in effect, take weight off of the front axle. Same as with towing a trailer.
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#3257448 - 01/23/14 12:55 PM Re: Ram ProMaster van [Re: Miller88]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 14784
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Raising the rear end will still make all of the weight over the rear axle. If the load is behind the rear axle, it will , in effect, take weight off of the front axle. Same as with towing a trailer.


While you are technically correct think like a truck owner for a minute.

Where is that rear axle? When it is so close to the butt end of the vehicle like it is in this one there is no way you can put serious weight BEHIND that same axle.

As far as towing goes, I would never recommend FWD for towing much of anything...
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