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#3254671 - 01/21/14 04:44 AM The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru
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As the title states... I'd like to get some thoughts of Mazda and Subaru. Both of these companies participated in WWIII; however Subaru was formally Nakajima Aircraft which made aircraft for WWII. Please correct me if I'm wrong.... Something makes me what to think Mitsubishi was part of WWII. I am ?uncertain of Mazda's role in WIII because Mazda started off in the US with rotary powered scooters. Please elaborate everyone. Are these the only current Japanese companies that were involved in WWII?

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#3254672 - 01/21/14 04:48 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Mitsubishi made the infamous A6M "Zero" aircraft during WWII.
Mazda made the Type 99 Rifles for Japan and some other weapons.
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#3254673 - 01/21/14 04:51 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Everyone was involved in WWII. Industry was basically drafted the same as manpower.

The war's over. I can't personally hold any company responsible for something they were compelled into doing by an emporer who later personally surrendered.

If Mitsubishi hadn't made airplanes their tooling would have been seized and run by the government anyway. It's probably semantics if they were or weren't anyway, with materials allocations etc.

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#3254674 - 01/21/14 04:53 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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http://www.famouslogos.net/subaru-logo/

Can't hold them to WWII, but some say their logo is due to Aliens.

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#3254684 - 01/21/14 05:27 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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I agree with eljefino. During the war, most, if not all Japanese companies were involved in the war effort, voluntary or not. I will not hold what happened 70 years ago, against them. I would rather buy a product made in Japan over China any day.

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#3254691 - 01/21/14 06:14 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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No different than Mercedes (Daimler Benz), BMW and VW. All made war vehicles for the Hitler regime. Germany, however, has the very dark side of companies that collaborated in the Holocaust. They dealt in human hair, gold from dental fillings, etc and they are still around today.

Google I. G. Farben and see what they were involved in.
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#3254692 - 01/21/14 06:18 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Can also google some elder shrubs, bankers, and auto manufacturers who "helped"

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#3254697 - 01/21/14 06:23 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Guys news flash, all countries operate this way. If a company has the assets to assist in the war effort they will be drafted. Germany, US, Japan, Britain, Canada and all other countries during WWII did it and in the event of all-out war today, the same strategy would be used as well.

If someone holds a grudge against certain companies, be it German, Japanese or Italian for their involvement in war effort, they should also hold US, British and French companies to the same standard as well.


Edited by KrisZ (01/21/14 06:24 AM)
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#3254698 - 01/21/14 06:23 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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What exactly is the point of your question? How old are you?

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#3254699 - 01/21/14 06:26 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Originally Posted By: SkyActivG
As the title states... I'd like to get some thoughts of Mazda and Subaru. Both of these companies participated in WWIII; however Subaru was formally Nakajima Aircraft which made aircraft for WWII. Please correct me if I'm wrong.... Something makes me what to think Mitsubishi was part of WWII. I am ?uncertain of Mazda's role in WIII because Mazda started off in the US with rotary powered scooters. Please elaborate everyone. Are these the only current Japanese companies that were involved in WWII?


It's utterly meaningless in today's world. Henry Ford had some anti-Semitic views, but along with your Mazda and Subaru question, it isn't relevant in today's world. If you dig deep enough you can probably find "dirt" on any automotive company or it's management, especially ones that have been around for nearly a century.

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#3254700 - 01/21/14 06:26 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: Boomer]
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Originally Posted By: Boomer
No different than Mercedes (Daimler Benz), BMW and VW. All made war vehicles for the Hitler regime. Germany, however, has the very dark side of companies that collaborated in the Holocaust. They dealt in human hair, gold from dental fillings, etc and they are still around today.

Google I. G. Farben and see what they were involved in.


Don't forget IBM and Bayer.
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#3254704 - 01/21/14 06:36 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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I heard they both killed babies......

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moving on

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#3254708 - 01/21/14 06:45 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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If we never moved on from past conflicts, there'd be no incentive to end them in the first place. Please don't go digging for century-old dirt on parties that are no longer doing anything wrong.
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#3254717 - 01/21/14 07:08 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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I'm not sure why such a question has to be asked here... when there's a internet full of information that is available on the topic.

We don't need to look elsewhere. Henry Ford was a tyrant in his own ways, and didn't see anything wrong with it.
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#3254722 - 01/21/14 07:13 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: mrsilv04]
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Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I'm not sure why such a question has to be asked here... when there's a internet full of information that is available on the topic.

We don't need to look elsewhere. Henry Ford was a tyrant in his own ways, and didn't see anything wrong with it.


So is our current "president" and he doesn't seem to see anything wrong with it either.
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#3254728 - 01/21/14 07:19 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Thing is, how do you assign culpability? Consider a couple dozen engineers who made weapons deadlier. They could be considered the "officers" of the company. After their assignments they could be scattered all over the world. Maybe even making medical devices etc for the good of mankind, for the same "keritsu" umbrella conglomerate.

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#3254738 - 01/21/14 07:30 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
chestand Offline


Registered: 09/20/11
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Originally Posted By: SkyActivG
As the title states... I'd like to get some thoughts of Mazda and Subaru. Both of these companies participated in WWIII; however Subaru was formally Nakajima Aircraft which made aircraft for WWII. Please correct me if I'm wrong.... Something makes me what to think Mitsubishi was part of WWII. I am ?uncertain of Mazda's role in WIII because Mazda started off in the US with rotary powered scooters. Please elaborate everyone. Are these the only current Japanese companies that were involved in WWII?


Ford made B-24 bombers, Chrysler made all kinds of armament engines, etc. It was an all out effort on our (U.S.) part as well. Every domestic company was pressed into service.

A couple of things I don't understand about the post: WWIII hasn't happened AFAIK and to my knowledge, Mazda never made a rotary powered scooter. Fact checking appears to be a lost art anymore.

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#3254743 - 01/21/14 07:35 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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I'm glad someone else brought up Ford.
Henry Ford and Adolph Hitler certainly had a sort of mutual appreciation society.

You'd be hard pressed to find any auto company today that didn't have some involvement in WWII

Even nice guy Soichiro Honda made airplane propellers during WWII. At one point Vespa was mounting a 75mm Recoiless gun on motorscooters (although I do not know if that was actually used in WWII)

You might be able to cite some obscure Swiss manufacturer (defunct...but I'm sure their cars ran like, well, a Swiss Watch wink )
But by being neutral, Switzerland played a role in WWII as well.

maybe VEB Sachsenring. It didn't come along until after the war. Probably the best anybody could do with the limited resources of Soviet occupied DDR. But then you are buying a communist East German Car
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#3254763 - 01/21/14 07:58 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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In Wich way, does The fact that a Company manufactorer weapons for it,s country,s war efford. In Wich way does that place them on what you call the dark side ?

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#3254776 - 01/21/14 08:06 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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When I clicked on the thread title, I was expecting this thread to be about how they still make interference engine, or Mazda'a lack of manufacturing in the US.

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#3254787 - 01/21/14 08:21 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Originally Posted By: SkyActivG
... I am ?uncertain of Mazda's role in WIII because Mazda started off in the US with rotary powered scooters. Please elaborate everyone.


Fuji (Subaru) started out with rotary valve two cycle scooters. The Fuji Rabbit.

The Fuji was a copy of the Powell streamliner that had been used by WWII US Airborne units.
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#3254815 - 01/21/14 08:53 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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I don't hold anything against the Japanese or Germand at this point, but I try to buy from US companies when I can if there is a choice. I would rather see an American with a good job. We have good quality products made right here in the USA.
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#3254819 - 01/21/14 08:56 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Pretty much every big company on all sides produced war material, this isn't really news.

Mitsubishi produced the A6M AKA the Zero or Zeke.

Interesting fact the Bosch fuel injection that Mercedes used after the war was very closly related to the fuel injection they developed for the ME109. Also when Mercedes put the M120 V12 into production in 1990 it was the first V12 they had made since stopping production of aircraft engines in 1945.


Edited by hattaresguy (01/21/14 09:03 AM)

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#3254820 - 01/21/14 08:56 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: dlundblad]
Hollow Offline


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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I'm not sure why such a question has to be asked here... when there's a internet full of information that is available on the topic.

We don't need to look elsewhere. Henry Ford was a tyrant in his own ways, and didn't see anything wrong with it.


So is our current "president" and he doesn't seem to see anything wrong with it either.


...Seriously? Does every thread on this forum have to turn into an Obama bash at some point?

Also, putting president is quotes is amazingly insulting.

This reminds me why I barely check this place anymore outside of a few specific areas. Too much political "commentary".
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#3254825 - 01/21/14 09:00 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: Boomer]
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Originally Posted By: Boomer
No different than Mercedes (Daimler Benz), BMW and VW. All made war vehicles for the Hitler regime. Germany, however, has the very dark side of companies that collaborated in the Holocaust. They dealt in human hair, gold from dental fillings, etc and they are still around today.

Google I. G. Farben and see what they were involved in.


That's not just the purvey of the Germans, the Japanese used slave labor and if you want to talk about genocide the Chinese could fill you in on that.

Google Rape of Nanking and Unit 731.


Edited by hattaresguy (01/21/14 09:00 AM)

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#3254828 - 01/21/14 09:03 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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I thought it about Subaru still blowing head gaskets after all those years of denial. And Mazda's AT competing with Honda's on who dies first. That's a dark side..
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#3254836 - 01/21/14 09:07 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Are we so stupid as to not see a troll when he announces himself in 48 point font and bold letters?

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#3254839 - 01/21/14 09:12 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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And the point and purpose of the question?
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#3254848 - 01/21/14 09:20 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Jeebus, thought this was a thread about Subi and Mazda issues.
Recently checked out the Mazda 6. It's a nice car!

You can't hold a company accountable for what happened during the war. The first country the Nazi's took over was Germany!

Vikas has it right - nothing but a troll post.
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#3254900 - 01/21/14 10:05 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Cadillac made tanks. BMW made airplane engines. Saab made fighter jets.

What's the point of this thread?
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#3254923 - 01/21/14 10:24 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: Silverado12]
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Originally Posted By: Silverado12
I don't hold anything against the Japanese or Germand at this point, but I try to buy from US companies when I can if there is a choice. I would rather see an American with a good job. We have good quality products made right here in the USA.


That's not really true anymore. A lot of American cars are getting made in Mexico. My Subaru was made in Indiana... You might want to look more closely at where the car was made and not where the company is headquartered. Granted the money is going to go towards the Japanese GDP but it gave an American worker a job assembling the car.
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#3254938 - 01/21/14 10:48 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: dparm
Cadillac made tanks. BMW made airplane engines. Saab made fighter jets.

What's the point of this thread?


Saab still makes airplanes. I however doubt they ever made Them for The axis powers. But I might be wrong.

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#3254943 - 01/21/14 10:53 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: Eddie]
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Originally Posted By: Eddie
And the point and purpose of the question?


He wanted to win the stupid question of the day award.

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#3254954 - 01/21/14 11:06 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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WWIII guys...he's talking about WWIII. C'mon get with it!

This is a mentally atrophied approved thread. wink
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#3254960 - 01/21/14 11:10 AM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: Challenger71]
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^ Yeah, I didn't realize we already went through WW III.

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#3255014 - 01/21/14 12:07 PM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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Originally Posted By: SkyActivG
As the title states... I'd like to get some thoughts of Mazda and Subaru.


Both are solid automobile companies that put out a good product.


Originally Posted By: SkyActivG
Both of these companies participated in WWIII; however Subaru was formally Nakajima Aircraft which made aircraft for WWII. Please correct me if I'm wrong.... Something makes me what to think Mitsubishi was part of WWII. I am ?uncertain of Mazda's role in WIII because Mazda started off in the US with rotary powered scooters. Please elaborate everyone. Are these the only current Japanese companies that were involved in WWII?


So? Any industry in a country at war will participate.
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#3255045 - 01/21/14 12:34 PM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: Kuato]
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It's likely they are pressed into service.

Imagine if Ford or others tried to keep making cars. No materials for them.

Their choices were to produce what the government wanted or likely perish.

Unlikely to be different in Japan or Germany.

I took the AB brewery tour in St Louis again recently. I was amazed at what AB produced during prohibition. The point is companies will adapt to the economic realities around them.
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#3255211 - 01/21/14 02:50 PM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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henry ford was a natiz.

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#3255325 - 01/21/14 04:56 PM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: dlundblad]
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I'm not sure why such a question has to be asked here... when there's a internet full of information that is available on the topic.

We don't need to look elsewhere. Henry Ford was a tyrant in his own ways, and didn't see anything wrong with it.


So is our current "president" and he doesn't seem to see anything wrong with it either.


I'm surprised the Mods didn't jump on it. Clearly political. I guess partisanship?

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#3256253 - 01/22/14 12:54 PM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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I want to add a 500 Abarth to share the garage with my BMWs and Mazda- then I can call my fleet "The Axis Collection" crackmeup
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#3256306 - 01/22/14 01:35 PM Re: The Dark Side of Mazda and Subaru [Re: SkyActivG]
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I was half expecting something relevant from this century and pertaining to cars we drive today.

....this thread is a colossal waste of time and needs to be either deleted or locked.
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