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#3254385 - 01/20/14 07:48 PM The new car almost
ram_man Offline


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So my wife had about had enough looking at private party cars for 4000-5000 with 120,000 + miles on them one did had 108,000 but had been in an accident.
This car was 9995 I talked them down to 6,000 which I realize isn't a awesome deal for a 11yr old car but it's one owner and very clean and very low miles!!
What do you guys think? The bumper is the only flaw what's a good way to fix the discoloration?
Also should I concerned with the timing belt? I told them in the deal I wanted the timing belt done they said we will work out the details on it but were willing to discuss it. We were approved but they are wanting to get better numbers so he will have it done tomorrow. We put 3,000 down and I'm going to pay for about 6 months and then pay it off.









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#3254413 - 01/20/14 08:14 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Under 50,000 miles, looks clean. 6000 grand isn't bad.
What is it a 2.4? Will be a good car for you.
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#3254427 - 01/20/14 08:28 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Yep 2.4.any idea what brand is the original oem timing belt?
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#3254434 - 01/20/14 08:37 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Should be a good car for you. The 2.4's are great engines..
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#3254439 - 01/20/14 08:43 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Isn't the 2.4 non-interference? At that mileage drive it a few years before worrying about the belt.

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#3254441 - 01/20/14 08:45 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Don't you have a couple kids to haul around?

My wife is in a chevy HHR, the same premise. Decent for car seat loading.

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#3254445 - 01/20/14 08:48 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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49k miles and you're worried about the timing belt? I just changed the original timing belt in my Camry last month at 186k miles.
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#3254450 - 01/20/14 08:53 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: Nick1994]
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
49k miles and you're worried about the timing belt? I just changed the original timing belt in my Camry last month at 186k miles.


Ok so tell that to the pt cruiser owners who had belts snap at 65-75k and 5-6 years. You're comparison is not appropriate
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#3254464 - 01/20/14 09:06 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Could be worse - could be one of the Chevrolaewoo engines that snap timing belts or break plastic t-belt tensioner pulleys religiously at 40K
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#3254470 - 01/20/14 09:11 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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i personally dont like them but they are good cars.

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#3254487 - 01/20/14 09:27 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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The 2.4 is an interference engine, but I've seen more than one survive a broken belt.

Timing belt changes on this car are a futher mucker! The 2.4 is a solid engine and the car isn't too bad. Keep an eye on the vertical lower control arm bushings. The tend to tear away from the shell. Also make sure that the ground wire from the body to the strut is intact (one on each side).
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#3254505 - 01/20/14 09:42 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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For a cheap car, it's hard to beat the PT Cruiser

We got ours for $15,000 with 4000 miles on it. That's four thousand miles. Practically new!

From the interior pics, yours is a 2005 or earlier. Belt's pushing up on 10 years. Might be a good idea to change it just as a precautionary measure. You can see if you have a cam seal leaking that might contaminate the belt with engine oil.

Parts are readily availiable and affordable. Someone willing to do the job at a reasonable price is not. I'm not going to lie; it's a big hassle.

My belt still looked good at 8 years and 90,000 miles. It still got changed though. Just as a precautionary measure.

I don't know about the bumpers. My PT has painted bumpers. There's the "As seen on TV" Wipe New product. But it's like $20.00 for 1.5 oz. Meguiars Back to Black works pretty good but it doesn't last terribly long. The detailer at the lot I used to work for used Mop N Glo on base model Cavalier bumpers. I don't know how long it will last but they were black and shiny

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#3254527 - 01/20/14 09:53 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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I like the silver metalflake on your instrument bezel and passenger airbag cover better than mine:



mine looks like bionic snakeskin or something.
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#3254567 - 01/20/14 10:35 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: Spazdog]
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If I were buying it, I'd change the belt, tensioner, etc. Things get old and brittle. No sense in destroying the engine to save a couple hundred bucks.
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#3254568 - 01/20/14 10:36 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Funny that the car dealer let me take it home before sigming on the dotted line. I put it in my garage and checked everything. I pulled the belt cover back and the timing belt is a gates belt! Is gates oem?
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#3254608 - 01/20/14 11:46 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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shrug I don't know who made it but mine had Mopar printed on it. No Gates, Bando, Dayco or any other manufacturer. My engine is not exactly the same as yours but I am pretty sure the timing belt is the same part.

Maybe it has already been changed.
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#3254609 - 01/20/14 11:52 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Im thinking it has which is ok with me!! smile
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#3254620 - 01/21/14 12:21 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: The_Eric]
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that is not an interference engine in that pt

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#3254647 - 01/21/14 01:35 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: crazyoildude]
ram_man Offline


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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
that is not an interference engine in that pt


I thought it was valve to valve contact ?instead of piston to valve contact.
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#3254681 - 01/21/14 05:19 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
Funny that the car dealer let me take it home before sigming on the dotted line. I put it in my garage and checked everything. I pulled the belt cover back and the timing belt is a gates belt! Is gates oem?


Look for a date code on the belt. The OE belt on my Dakota 2.5 might have been Mitsubishi of all makers. Beware a "yo-yo" deal where they haul you in in a couple weeks because your financing "fell through" and they want a higher interest rate. Since you haven't signed everything yet, hit up your local credit union for a 2nd opinion on your car loan.

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#3254796 - 01/21/14 08:34 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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You might want to drive it to a Nissan dealer and do a back to back comparision with a Versa hatch back. I suspect $6k gets you a much newer Versa and they are about the same size inside, but it would be interesting to see how they match up otherwise.
Versa gets much better mileage and no timing belt on the Versa either.
I suspect the Cruiser feels like a much more substantial vehicle though and it certainly looks more interesting!
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#3254914 - 01/21/14 10:14 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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I was forced to drive one of those once while my car was in for warranty service. My opinion - they are garbage cars that barely have enough power in the NA 2.4l to get out of their own way. It rattled to no end on the highway, had almost no sound deadening so I could hear all of the road and engine noises, and felt absolutely numb from a driving dynamics standpoint.

Ask yourself, why did someone trade this car in with less than 50k miles? Because they couldn't stand to drive it any longer.
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#3254919 - 01/21/14 10:22 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: IndyIan]
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Originally Posted By: IndyIan
You might want to drive it to a Nissan dealer and do a back to back comparision with a Versa hatch back. I suspect $6k gets you a much newer Versa and they are about the same size inside, but it would be interesting to see how they match up otherwise.
Versa gets much better mileage and no timing belt on the Versa either.
I suspect the Cruiser feels like a much more substantial vehicle though and it certainly looks more interesting!


That's a pretty good point. They both have cheap interiors. The fabrics are a bit better in the PT Cruiser but it's all Polypropylene in the PT and a harder plastic (that feels every bit as cheap in the Versa. maybe PET but it is textured badly.

Adults actually fit in the back of both. Pretty practical little wagons

It's not really fair to compare my PT to a Versa....my car makes about 150 more ft-lbs of torque so of course there is a big difference in the way they drive. My experience with the regular PT is that it is a bit torquier than a 2.2 HHR and a bit wheezier up top above 5000rpm. I imagine that would stand up as well vs the smaller Nissan engine.
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#3254927 - 01/21/14 10:29 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: threeputtpar]
Spazdog Offline


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Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
I was forced to drive one of those once while my car was in for warranty service. My opinion - they are garbage cars that barely have enough power in the NA 2.4l to get out of their own way. It rattled to no end on the highway, had almost no sound deadening so I could hear all of the road and engine noises, and felt absolutely numb from a driving dynamics standpoint.

Ask yourself, why did someone trade this car in with less than 50k miles? Because they couldn't stand to drive it any longer.


It's not that bad

Just think of it as a Neon Station Wagon.

and mine as an SRT/4 wagon LOL



Someone trade in mine with 4000 miles. We've put another 100,000+ on it
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#3254936 - 01/21/14 10:46 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: IndyIan]
ram_man Offline


Registered: 03/15/13
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Originally Posted By: IndyIan
You might want to drive it to a Nissan dealer and do a back to back comparision with a Versa hatch back. I suspect $6k gets you a much newer Versa and they are about the same size inside, but it would be interesting to see how they match up otherwise.
Versa gets much better mileage and no timing belt on the Versa either.
I suspect the Cruiser feels like a much more substantial vehicle though and it certainly looks more interesting!


we looked at one a week ago and it felt very cheap and uncomfortable and actually were priced very high. Honestly it was one of the least favorite cars ive ever driven.
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#3254941 - 01/21/14 10:50 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: threeputtpar]
ram_man Offline


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Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
I was forced to drive one of those once while my car was in for warranty service. My opinion - they are garbage cars that barely have enough power in the NA 2.4l to get out of their own way. It rattled to no end on the highway, had almost no sound deadening so I could hear all of the road and engine noises, and felt absolutely numb from a driving dynamics standpoint.

Ask yourself, why did someone trade this car in with less than 50k miles? Because they couldn't stand to drive it any longer.



she was a school teacher who retired and wanted a new car for retirement. She had it 11 years I hardly think she was tired of it,
They really arent bad the handling actually surprised me considering its size. Its a decent family hauler and the price wasnt bad.
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#3254955 - 01/21/14 11:06 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
You might want to drive it to a Nissan dealer and do a back to back comparision with a Versa hatch back. I suspect $6k gets you a much newer Versa and they are about the same size inside, but it would be interesting to see how they match up otherwise.
Versa gets much better mileage and no timing belt on the Versa either.
I suspect the Cruiser feels like a much more substantial vehicle though and it certainly looks more interesting!


we looked at one a week ago and it felt very cheap and uncomfortable and actually were priced very high. Honestly it was one of the least favorite cars ive ever driven.
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I don't think the Versa owners will hunt you down... Enjoy the PT, hopefully it will do well for you. My "POS" Neon was great for me even when abused to the extreme.
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#3254994 - 01/21/14 11:43 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Smart man, which model did you get?
PTs are great cars contrary to what is said here. They are really bargains if you take the time to locate a good one which has been maintained.
Go Ptcruiserlinksforum.com to learn more about their good and bad points.
Per the interiors, the 1st gen cloth PT are much better than a versa, Of course I have 3 GTs with leather and heated seats and whatnot and an 06 base with the yes essentials fabric seats. The door panels and trim are plastic but dont rattle and are easy to clean. 1st gen dash is nice, 2nd gen not so much but again their are much worse out their.
Of course you can go junkyarding and score the leather interiors cheap, I pulled the seats out of an 03 limted as spares for the heating elements, these are the leather saude ones, paid 30$ for all 3 seats in mint condition! Parts are abundant. Per your t-belt, sounds like someonchanged it and used gates, if original wont say gates on it. Oh they are non interfernece but the valves can smack.

Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
I was forced to drive one of those once while my car was in for warranty service. My opinion - they are garbage cars that barely have enough power in the NA 2.4l to get out of their own way. It rattled to no end on the highway, had almost no sound deadening so I could hear all of the road and engine noises, and felt absolutely numb from a driving dynamics standpoint.

Ask yourself, why did someone trade this car in with less than 50k miles? Because they couldn't stand to drive it any longer.



she was a school teacher who retired and wanted a new car for retirement. She had it 11 years I hardly think she was tired of it,
They really arent bad the handling actually surprised me considering its size. Its a decent family hauler and the price wasnt bad.

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#3255048 - 01/21/14 12:38 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Check out edmunds pricing. It seems extremely expensive to me for an 11 year old Chrysler.

Nice car otherwise but price makes me wonder.
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#3255055 - 01/21/14 12:51 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Any worse than people paying 5000 for a Honda with 160K miles on it?

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#3255131 - 01/21/14 01:34 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: VNTS]
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Originally Posted By: VNTS
Any worse than people paying 5000 for a Honda with 160K miles on it?


Absolutely not. Different strokes for different strokes. Woman I work with has a Versa with CVT. I did not like it near as much as the PT Cruisers I have driven.
At anyrate at that price point the drivetrain in that thing is pretty good and should be relatively trouble free.
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#3255278 - 01/21/14 03:56 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: eljefino]
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
Beware a "yo-yo" deal where they haul you in in a couple weeks because your financing "fell through" and they want a higher interest rate. Since you haven't signed everything yet, hit up your local credit union for a 2nd opinion on your car loan.


Second the idea of getting alternate financing. When I bought the truck last week I told them I could get 2.49% from our credit union and if they could beat it I'd use them otherwise I'd go with the CU. They got me 2.08%/60 mo. on a used truck.

And for the yo-yo [censored]. Make sure you walk out of there with a signed finance contract that spells out the bank, interest rate, payments, etc. Then if they pull that [censored] you can say "here's your car"!

To the OP - congrats.


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#3255383 - 01/21/14 05:48 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: rjundi]
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Originally Posted By: rjundi
Check out edmunds pricing. It seems extremely expensive to me for an 11 year old Chrysler.

Nice car otherwise but price makes me wonder.


My opinion on edmunds is it's a joke!
So it kbb and nada. None of them represent today's market. I would almost dare any body to find a cleaner car with low miles for 6 grand. Granted people precieved value is higher with Japanese vehicles but when shopping for a car for 6,000 or less make doesn't matter a lot . What mattered to me was condition then miles and lastly age. So resale is low on a pt cruiser but can you find a cleaner better car for the same money? I'm not saying it's impossible but I bet it's darn hard espcially where I am the used market is junk.
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#3255448 - 01/21/14 06:23 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: VNTS]
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Originally Posted By: VNTS
Smart man, which model did you get?
PTs are great cars contrary to what is said here. They are really bargains if you take the time to locate a good one which has been maintained.
Go Ptcruiserlinksforum.com to learn more about their good and bad points.
Per the interiors, the 1st gen cloth PT are much better than a versa, Of course I have 3 GTs with leather and heated seats and whatnot and an 06 base with the yes essentials fabric seats. The door panels and trim are plastic but dont rattle and are easy to clean. 1st gen dash is nice, 2nd gen not so much but again their are much worse out their.
Of course you can go junkyarding and score the leather interiors cheap, I pulled the seats out of an 03 limted as spares for the heating elements, these are the leather saude ones, paid 30$ for all 3 seats in mint condition! Parts are abundant. Per your t-belt, sounds like someonchanged it and used gates, if original wont say gates on it. Oh they are non interfernece but the valves can smack.


I actually like the interior of the Limited better than my GT. It has the ultrasuede inserts on the door panel and seats and body colored bezel and passenger airbag cover. GT has the aforementioned Bionic Snakeskin bezel and rubbery black plastic insert on the door panel.

'course the GT does have seat heaters which are nice when it is cold or your back hurts. laugh

The Limiteds do have a problem with the chrome peeling on the inside of the 16" wheels causing slow leaks. Nothing a Scotch Brite conditioning tool can't handle.

The door panels are durable Polypropylene. Mine have been off to replace the speakers (which admittedly are junk) and they still don't rattle.
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#3255566 - 01/21/14 07:23 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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I fixed up a few plastic parts with this before
http://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-Automot...ds=bumper+black
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#3255737 - 01/21/14 09:57 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Check out edmunds pricing. It seems extremely expensive to me for an 11 year old Chrysler.

Nice car otherwise but price makes me wonder.


My opinion on edmunds is it's a joke!


Here is a local GT 2004/58k for $4100 >>>> http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/4276854057.html

Not sure what its like where you live but edmunds seems the going rate around here.
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#3255744 - 01/21/14 10:04 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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It's an estate sale with no warranty. I got a 25,000 bumper to bumper warranty. 2yr 25,000 miles I should say. People around here are asking 5000 for 02 ford Taurus's with 150,000 on them it's crazy. Regardless of what type of vehicle it is 6,000 for a clean low mileage car isn't a bad deal I can easily have this car for 100k+ Miles that's not bad IMO.
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#3255752 - 01/21/14 10:14 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
It's an estate sale with no warranty. I got a 25,000 bumper to bumper warranty. 2yr 25,000 miles I should say.


Read that warranty very carefully. Warranties on a 11 year old vehicle are bunk typically. There is a clear reason why car makers do not warranty any vehicle that long.
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#3255865 - 01/22/14 04:12 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: rjundi]
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Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: ram_man
It's an estate sale with no warranty. I got a 25,000 bumper to bumper warranty. 2yr 25,000 miles I should say.


Read that warranty very carefully. Warranties on a 11 year old vehicle are bunk typically. There is a clear reason why car makers do not warranty any vehicle that long.



I did it's actually quite good. It's about as close to the factory bumper to bumper as I've seen.
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#3255912 - 01/22/14 06:57 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: rjundi]
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I noticed that one too, but that is the exception not the rule, and most listed on craigslist you have to be [censored] careful, when I bought one of mine private sale I looked and 9 out of 10 were pretty beat, typical of a craigslist seller. Also most are priced much higher

One guy in Lewiston showed his, looked very nice, get there to look at it and the car was beat, asked why he said oh, that was the picture from the 1st summer we had it seven years ago! LOL

I did find one in CT, pristine GT convertible, guy was VP of Pratt&whitney, ran Mobile 1 and had all receipts. Was only selling it because the adopted a 2nd dog and needed larger vehichle. scooped that one.

Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Check out edmunds pricing. It seems extremely expensive to me for an 11 year old Chrysler.

Nice car otherwise but price makes me wonder.


My opinion on edmunds is it's a joke!


Here is a local GT 2004/58k for $4100 >>>> http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/4276854057.html

Not sure what its like where you live but edmunds seems the going rate around here.

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#3256112 - 01/22/14 10:55 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
It's an estate sale with no warranty. I got a 25,000 bumper to bumper warranty. 2yr 25,000 miles I should say. People around here are asking 5000 for 02 ford Taurus's with 150,000 on them it's crazy. Regardless of what type of vehicle it is 6,000 for a clean low mileage car isn't a bad deal I can easily have this car for 100k+ Miles that's not bad IMO.


So did you actually buy it? Or just talk like you did? Don't convince BITOG if its the car you want, as long as you're happy with it.
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#3256139 - 01/22/14 11:16 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Yea I got it and so far I love it been convinient and surprisingly fuel efficient. Avg about 29 mpg. I changed the plugs when I bought it to also surprisingly easy.
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#3256184 - 01/22/14 12:16 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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#3256196 - 01/22/14 12:21 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Change your wires, the factory ones suck.

Also replace the PCV on it.

You will appreciate the car, you can yank the rea seat out in a minute and have tons of space for trasnport of bulky stuff or fold tumble them for extra room.

I would also change the trans fluid and coolant when you get a chance.


Originally Posted By: ram_man
Yea I got it and so far I love it been convinient and surprisingly fuel efficient. Avg about 29 mpg. I changed the plugs when I bought it to also surprisingly easy.

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#3256205 - 01/22/14 12:26 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
that is not an interference engine in that pt


I thought it was valve to valve contact ?instead of piston to valve contact.


Valve to valve contact??? Really??? AFAIK there is no such thing...

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#3256227 - 01/22/14 12:38 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: TFB1]
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Originally Posted By: TFB1
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
that is not an interference engine in that pt


I thought it was valve to valve contact ?instead of piston to valve contact.


Valve to valve contact??? Really??? AFAIK there is no such thing...

Yes, there is such thing. This engine can have valve to valve contact occur if the belt snaps. It's a dual overhead cam engine. One cam for the intake valves, one for the exhaust valves. Obviously under normal conditions the intake and exhaust valves open at different times and they don't interfere with each other. But if the belt snaps and the camshafts can freewheel at whatever speed, the intake and exhaust valves can be both open at the same time and smack into each other.

And yes, this occurs on this particular engine. The pistons will never hit the valves, but the valves can hit each other.
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#3256237 - 01/22/14 12:45 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: exranger06]
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Originally Posted By: exranger06
Originally Posted By: TFB1
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
that is not an interference engine in that pt


I thought it was valve to valve contact ?instead of piston to valve contact.


Valve to valve contact??? Really??? AFAIK there is no such thing...

Yes, there is such thing. This engine can have valve to valve contact occur if the belt snaps. It's a dual overhead cam engine. One cam for the intake valves, one for the exhaust valves. Obviously under normal conditions the intake and exhaust valves open at different times and they don't interfere with each other. But if the belt snaps and the camshafts can freewheel at whatever speed, the intake and exhaust valves can be both open at the same time and smack into each other.

And yes, this occurs on this particular engine. The pistons will never hit the valves, but the valves can hit each other.


Thanks...

The marble rolling around in my head was telling it could be possible but since I don't buy such vehicles, I've never encountered this problem...

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#3256238 - 01/22/14 12:46 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Yes, if the belt snaps at high rpm the valves can contact each other but not the pistons.

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#3256243 - 01/22/14 12:48 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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seems like a decent deal.

might check out chevy HHR. similar looking (ugly) so they sell cheap.. even really new ones.
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#3256413 - 01/22/14 03:00 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: exranger06]
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Originally Posted By: exranger06
And yes, this occurs on this particular engine. The pistons will never hit the valves, but the valves can hit each other.


And you are then VERY unhappy, yes?
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#3256473 - 01/22/14 03:54 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: TFB1]
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Originally Posted By: TFB1
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
that is not an interference engine in that pt


I thought it was valve to valve contact ?instead of piston to valve contact.


Valve to valve contact??? Really??? AFAIK there is no such thing...


In a non-interference engine, overhead valves can hit each other when the timing belt breaks if certain conditions exists (but it happens rarely) but cannot hit the piston tops.

This is straight from the pt cruiser forum and my instructor is a former chrysler tech and that's what he told me as well. It is possible for it to smack valves.
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#3257026 - 01/23/14 04:23 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Good for you. The 2.4 is a great engine when properly maintained. My friends mom had the turbo version. It was a fun little car.
Great on fuel and the kids can get in and out easy enough.
I bought my charger for my kids. I wanted a DVD player,a big enough back seat and leg room that is adequate as they grow into adults and I had to have leather,so much easier to clean.
Would it hurt if I told you I get from 26-30mpg on the highway,with a hemi,and city driving may burn a bit more fuel but its way more fun too.
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#3257258 - 01/23/14 10:02 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: Clevy]
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
Good for you. The 2.4 is a great engine when properly maintained. My friends mom had the turbo version. It was a fun little car.
Great on fuel and the kids can get in and out easy enough.
I bought my charger for my kids. I wanted a DVD player,a big enough back seat and leg room that is adequate as they grow into adults and I had to have leather,so much easier to clean.
Would it hurt if I told you I get from 26-30mpg on the highway,with a hemi,and city driving may burn a bit more fuel but its way more fun too.


No because its apples and oranges. The hemi hardly works to pull that car around. Also I would guess you are the minority getting that kind of gas mileage with a hemi most people probably drive them harder. I know I would.
The pt is kinda surprising. In just cruising down the highway and I look down a and it says I'm doing 90 it felt like 65-70. I honestly didn't see myself liking this car all that much but I got to say I really do like it. It's easy to get in and out its comfortable.
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#3257635 - 01/23/14 03:41 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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The simple fact is no one can drive that Hemi too hard for long. They will die in a high speed crash or get too many tickets!!

I have found PT's to have just enough Neon in them to be good cars, despite the polarizing looks of them IMO...
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#3258016 - 01/23/14 09:28 PM Re: The new car almost [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The simple fact is no one can drive that Hemi too hard for long. They will die in a high speed crash or get too many tickets!!

I have found PT's to have just enough Neon in them to be good cars, despite the polarizing looks of them IMO...


I don't mind the look I think the black paint makes it look good. Reminds me of an old moonshine runner car or something.
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#3258223 - 01/24/14 05:06 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The simple fact is no one can drive that Hemi too hard for long. They will die in a high speed crash or get too many tickets!!

I have found PT's to have just enough Neon in them to be good cars, despite the polarizing looks of them IMO...


I don't mind the look I think the black paint makes it look good. Reminds me of an old moonshine runner car or something.



A GREAT observation. Thanks for the chuckle!!

Many folks who I know that have one love them, they are economical and inexpensive to operate and repair.
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#3258314 - 01/24/14 07:56 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: ram_man]
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Just hope you never have to do a radiator swap without a lift! frown
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#3258343 - 01/24/14 08:29 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: Jarlaxle]
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Off topic...........now assisting my adult daughter to find a good used car in the $4,000 - $6,000 dollar range, Ram man's other post about used car prices is spot on. In Michigan, people are wanting $5,000+ on 10 year+ Corolla's with over 150,000 miles. There are very few available and lesser ones often have "stories"....salvage title, et..

Best of luck with the PT Cruiser. My 2.4's in my Caravans did very well. The spark plug well O-rings tend to start leaking oil around 120K or so, but that is a cheap easy fix. They had a spark plug number change to avoid cold fouling sometime around 2004....there's a TSB for that. Keep the tranny well maintained. They claim to have remedied most of the problems by 2002 or so. Drive it easy. I also read that the PT is hard on plug wires due to heat degradation, but that might only be the turbo models.

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#3258559 - 01/24/14 11:37 AM Re: The new car almost [Re: doitmyself]
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Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Off topic...........now assisting my adult daughter to find a good used car in the $4,000 - $6,000 dollar range, Ram man's other post about used car prices is spot on. In Michigan, people are wanting $5,000+ on 10 year+ Corolla's with over 150,000 miles. There are very few available and lesser ones often have "stories"....salvage title, et..

Best of luck with the PT Cruiser. My 2.4's in my Caravans did very well. The spark plug well O-rings tend to start leaking oil around 120K or so, but that is a cheap easy fix. They had a spark plug number change to avoid cold fouling sometime around 2004....there's a TSB for that. Keep the tranny well maintained. They claim to have remedied most of the problems by 2002 or so. Drive it easy. I also read that the PT is hard on plug wires due to heat degradation, but that might only be the turbo models.


look for a pt or hhr not everyone wants one so they are better deals
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