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#3253556 - 01/19/14 10:37 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
redhat Offline


Registered: 12/07/12
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Loc: Western New York
Sure starters and alternators will take a hike eventually. So will suspension components for that matter too. But by no means does that mean the car goes to the scrapyard. I see all of those items as repairs/maintenance that will just need to be done at some point.

We have owned many Hondas and GMs that had their original starters and alternators well into their 200k lives.

I don't know... Maybe some of us like turning our wrenches and have pride in keeping an older vehicle on the road. Some of us need new and low mileage.

All of our old high mileage vehicles have had very healthy electronics, and the leather is still very nice on the 185k '99 Grand Prix.


Edited by redhat (01/19/14 10:39 PM)
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#3253563 - 01/19/14 10:56 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 04/07/11
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It really depends on what I want it for. If I just need a beater for winter or driving to work, and it can be had cheap, I'll go 200K + all day long as long as everything checks out. If its a daily driver, however, and I'm looking for something nice, I like to keep it a 50K or below.
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#3253578 - 01/19/14 11:38 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: Doog]
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So you are advocating to pay up to $6000 annually plus higher insurance? Not a very good recommendation. If you put $2-3000 in annual maintenance in a 150k car it will most likely go another 150k and you don't suffer the additional cost of the depreciation. My best bet is a Certified Used car with 30-40k on it and a 100k warranty. Then drive it to 200k and sell it. If you do the math on that combo you will see it is the best of both worlds. [/quote]

Nowadays a car with 30-40k will sell for almost as much as a new one. Discounts and 0% financing can be had for new vehicles. Not for late model used ones. By the time you pay the extra interest the final price would almost be the same.as long as you have a car loan, you will need that higher priced (full coverage) insurance.
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#3253583 - 01/19/14 11:45 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 02/29/12
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Loc: Jasper, AL
My last 4 vehicle purchases had 126K, 141K, 155K and 138K miles on them when I purchased them. I've had great service out of my GMs.
I would even consider buying one with 300K if it looked good and was priced accordingly.
I do my own maintenance and repairs.
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#3253597 - 01/20/14 12:14 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Loc: Michigan
Depends on car, shape at that mileage.

Different things for different folks....
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#3253606 - 01/20/14 12:50 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
zerosoma Offline


Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 2192
Loc: south dakota, usa
I would buy a Camry or accord at 185k; but not for $5,000.00.

They are generally tough cars but a LOT can happen in 185k. If its one owner and the car still runs fine and doesn't shudder or throw any red flags you should be fine but make a really hard effort to not pay $5k. One owner with no problems generally means they took care of it. Also when you talk to them you will be able to ask questions and KNOW if they have really maintained it or if they are feeding you a line. If you can't tell the difference then it's a fools folly I guess.

Now, I'm not going to start anything but any modern (last 15 years) GM/Dodge/Ford car that has that many miles I will genuinely pass on unless I give it a very thorough examination. They aren't known for lots of miles (like their trucks are) so if it gets that far with minimal problems its an exception to the rule. Not saying it can't or hasn't been done. The 3.8 engine was a bull. I abused mine forever before I sold it. Nary a problem.

Both of our vehicles have high mileage and they run fantastic. It's all how you maintain them.
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#3253607 - 01/20/14 12:51 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: Doog]
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Registered: 04/17/06
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Loc: Irvine, CA
Originally Posted By: Doog
I did meet a guy with a Lexus LS400 that had 800k on it. Original engine and 3rd transmission.

My 350+k miles LS400 has original engine and transmission.

The only engine parts that had been replaced were: spark plugs(3 times), water pump(once, few months ago along with radiator and third timing belt), distributors(once, 250k miles ago).

May need to replace the valve cover gasket on passenger side soon, or just tighten the bolts a little to stop a slow gasket leak.


Edited by HTSS_TR (01/20/14 12:53 AM)
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#3253611 - 01/20/14 01:07 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: Doog]
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 17329
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
Originally Posted By: Doog

So you are advocating to pay up to $6000 annually plus higher insurance? Not a very good recommendation. If you put $2-3000 in annual maintenance in a 150k car it will most likely go another 150k and you don't suffer the additional cost of the depreciation. My best bet is a Certified Used car with 30-40k on it and a 100k warranty. Then drive it to 200k and sell it. If you do the math on that combo you will see it is the best of both worlds.


Yes.

The opportunity cost should be a serious consideration. Car payments are inexpensive compared to mortgage or rent payments. If you are able to eliminate a certain amount of uncertainty from your life rather easily, why wouldn't you?

If I had to tell my manager that I had to take off an hour to drop off the car at the shop every month or 2, that would become an issue. Likewise, if I hurt myself while working on the car during a weekend, that would be even worse. The key is to have a transportation solution that has the least disruption.

Depending on what your life and job situation is, trying to find the lowest dollar option for transportation may not be the most practical option. Look, those who have been on this site for a while know that I used to advocate for fixing older cars and keeping them near perfect, but the time spent is better spent elsewhere.

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#3253631 - 01/20/14 02:02 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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IMO....it depends on how the auto was maintained.

I would much rather have a high mileage vehicle that was used predominantly for long trips. IMO....it's the older vehicle with low mileage and no service records that I would pass on buying.

IMO...A High Speed, long distance highway mileage vehicle is much better than a vehicle than had been garaged and short tripped with low mileage vehicle for it's entire life.

Long distance, High speed driving insures that all of the fluids are getting up to operating temp coupled with less engine wear than a short tripped vehicle in stop and go traffic.
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#3253636 - 01/20/14 02:22 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 06/29/11
Posts: 563
Loc: Fresno, CA
Yeah if it was reguarly maintained and driven pretty long distances at a time, then 200k miles is like 100k short trip miles or less.
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#3253640 - 01/20/14 02:26 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 02/04/13
Posts: 256
Loc: Louisiana
Bought my sidekick abused at 160k. For 2 grand. Dumped 3k into.suspension and tires. Another grand into parts and a upgraded radio.

Decoded to replace that motor with a dead cylinder at 200k. Another 2k.

8k for.a go anywhere full frame 4x4 suv that gets 22+ MPG and is engineered for the third world and will NEVER leave you stranded. Yeah. If I could find that new at twice the price ID buy it.

Mileage means less than maintenance.

If you do your own work...mechanically [censored] used cars with good paint jobs are the way to go.
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#3253653 - 01/20/14 04:45 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: The Critic]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 22941
Loc: ME
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Doog

So you are advocating to pay up to $6000 annually plus higher insurance? Not a very good recommendation. If you put $2-3000 in annual maintenance in a 150k car it will most likely go another 150k and you don't suffer the additional cost of the depreciation. My best bet is a Certified Used car with 30-40k on it and a 100k warranty. Then drive it to 200k and sell it. If you do the math on that combo you will see it is the best of both worlds.


Yes.

The opportunity cost should be a serious consideration. Car payments are inexpensive compared to mortgage or rent payments. If you are able to eliminate a certain amount of uncertainty from your life rather easily, why wouldn't you?

If I had to tell my manager that I had to take off an hour to drop off the car at the shop every month or 2, that would become an issue. Likewise, if I hurt myself while working on the car during a weekend, that would be even worse. The key is to have a transportation solution that has the least disruption.

Depending on what your life and job situation is, trying to find the lowest dollar option for transportation may not be the most practical option. Look, those who have been on this site for a while know that I used to advocate for fixing older cars and keeping them near perfect, but the time spent is better spent elsewhere.


I thought ram_man was trying to go to school to be a mechanic. It'd be foolish for him to pay $80/hr to skip working on it himself at a cost to himself of < $25/hr-- what a shop would pay him.

If one mail ordered parts or was able to pass a parts store on the way somewhere else, the ability to schedule repairs some evening/weekend at home would actually be more convenient than bringing it somewhere that's only open when their office is open... provided one's sweat is "free".

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#3253662 - 01/20/14 05:32 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 562
Loc: Cincinnati, OH
I have about 190K on my 325i, and after the most recentmmajor work (the full suspension upgrade), it drives better than new. Engine is in completely perfect condition, with all cylinders having compression results within a 2-point range, and visual inspection during VCG replacement showed a completely spotless valvetrain.

I document every single thing done to my vehicles each in its own binder, the thinnest is about 2.5" thick and the thickest (my 328, for reasons you may know) is 4 binders full.
That's every receipt/report/service order/etc, pictures taken of new components upgrades before going on car, of the old ones still on the car, and the old next to the new off the car.

I also keep Excel sheets, multiple for each vehicle, to track maintenance, repairs, modifications, etc. I print out the latest filled page as completed.


I know that I can, and do, ask a premium for my cars when selling. OK, well, many times it's because the vehicle itself is rare, or is a rare configuration on an already desirable vehicle, ie a recently sold genuine Alpina B6 Bi-Turbo (Grey market import, low mileage, all original numbers, full records, and one of two in the color, not to mention that every Alpina item was intact which is nearly impossible to find outside of museum pieces). Over 20yr old, $72k in records from the SINGLE PO and myself, one of only (literally) a half dozen or so I the country, and the lowest mileage one that is driveable.
I had to sit firm for 5 months, asking $45k, and got a lot of ridiculously low offers. It seems like a lot, and it IS a lot of money, but people also pay more forgGrey market Nissan Skylines that aren't special cars anywhere much less where they're made, whereas this is a car rarer than a Ferrari Enzo.
It sold to a collector who has an impressive garage of rare BMW's, and it has since been sold back to Alpina (at the exact same price he bought it from me) for their own historical collection.

Since I buy cars, and sell cars, pretty often, I firmly believe that it's dishonest, no different than fraud, to sell a car as being in excellent condition if it's not, and for people like me who search for rare cars, it's ONLY AS GOOD AS YOU CAN PROVE, and that proof is in documentation.
Example: when looking for an M3, I had trouble finding the color combo I wanted. Eventually found a few, ranging from 48k to 129k miles, and from $18.5k to $26k in price. The 48k miles car was what I ended up buying, but it was owned by a fellow BMWCCA racer I know and I know for a fact it was never abused, tracked, or maintained in any way other than religiously.
The most expensive car, however, was the highest mileage. Now, all of these are Alpine White over Imola '06 Coupes w 6MT and Competition Package; rare combo, and I ignored cars w modifications (I always do, with some exception).
The $18.5k car had 88k miles, zero documentation, and the owner didn't seem to know jack about the car. The $26k car had documentation from day one of its nearly 130k miles, the owner was incredibly knowledgeable and willing to accommodate my need for proof of condition, had UOA done every 2nd change (every 15k) since new and had all the results, and so forth.
The car with nearly 130k miles was the second best driving car I found by far, I mean it wasn't even close.
The 88k mile car and a 59k mile car ($24.5k) were the worst, and just cursory inspection and I knew that I'd be spending a minimum of $7.5-10 THOUSAND dollars just to get them back into shape, which is insane. The owners were not flexible on price, and said that maintenance records "you can get what you need on carfax"....

I ended up sending my friend to the guy with the 130k mile car, and he bought it the next day.
It now has 183k and has been every bit as reliable as mine, which has over 100k fewer miles.

The other two mentioned come up for sale often, and are on their 7th and 9th owners. Every time they come up is 1k miles before a MAJOR service, yet it's never done...


So, I guess my point is...
Would you rather buy a car, at a premium regardless of miles, from a highly knowledgeable owner with insanely extensive history/documentation of the vehicle...
Or would you rather pay 15-25 percent less, but have little to no history of work, essentially gambling on the less expensive upfront costs being less than the guaranteed immediate maintenence costs?

I know my answer...
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#3253672 - 01/20/14 06:16 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: hattaresguy]
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I wouldn't buy a vehicle with spaceship mileage unless it was very cheap. For $5k your one transmission and a set of struts away from an $8k vehicle.

Considering said vehicle can be purchased for just over $20k new your paying a large premium for the most maintenance intensive period of the cars life.

The last 170k mile car I bought was in HS and I paid $300 for it. If something broke I junked it.


+1000

Paying $5k for a car with 150k miles is pure lunacy!
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#3253695 - 01/20/14 07:20 AM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Camrys seem to be valued high(er) by their owners...somewhat unrealistically...

That said, OP should be able to find an 03-06 Camry for $4-6k WITH 100k miles or so...later model years have ABS/keyless entry, added value features that make the car worth more....85k miles is a BIG difference in terms of major part-repair/replacement costs...

Re: HTSS/lexus
....valve cover gaskets should be replaced when you replace spark plugs...more efficient labor cost-wise...


Edited by KitaCam (01/20/14 07:22 AM)
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