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#3253440 - 01/19/14 08:36 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 2501
Loc: Daytona, Florida
I think the year has more to do with the condition of seals and other parts. If it has a lot of miles and they were put on quick, I wouldn't mind it. I bought a 07 with 165,000 miles. Everything is still like new. I have 02 with 125,000 and it seems like stuff is going constantly.

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#3253451 - 01/19/14 08:46 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
rjundi Offline


Registered: 03/16/04
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Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: DirtyMoe21
What kinds of cars?


camrys and accords mostly
Im looking to spend 5000


These cars are best left to those who can afford to fix themselves and have backup transport or can afford to pay to fix them with a quality/trusty independent.

Wife owns a 2005 Legacy turbo wagon with 164,000 miles worth around $5000. We don't think twice on repairing or costs as my wife likes it and repairs although averaging about $200/month the last year. While not pleasant it does not make us worry.

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#3253467 - 01/19/14 09:00 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 06/20/11
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It really depends on the car. Our 04 has 121k on it and still uses less than 1/4 of a quart in a 6k oil change. Same as it did when we got it with 66k almost 2 years ago. Can you say the same with another model car? I don't know. But I wouldn't think twice about doing it again in a few years when this one hits about 250k.


Edited by MuzzleFlash40 (01/19/14 09:01 PM)
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#3253481 - 01/19/14 09:10 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: The Critic]
simple_gifts Offline


Registered: 07/26/04
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Loc: Middlesex County CT
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: redhat
I don't think 150k is near the end of life. I think if you're looking for a Camry or Accord with that mileage you can expect a lot of life from their drive trains.


Based on what? These are fairly "cheap" cars that were not overbuilt. Even if a vehicle is well-maintained, it does wear out eventually. 150k is nearing that point.


Now I heard it all....

Camry and Accord don't have to be overbuilt, they are well designed for long life; Many people don't have the option of buying a low mileage car and wouldn't hesitate at buying a well maintained 150K Camry or Accord or Civic.


Edited by simple_gifts (01/19/14 09:11 PM)
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#3253489 - 01/19/14 09:16 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
SLCraig Offline


Registered: 12/21/08
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Loc: London, ON, Canada
Mileage does not worry me at all. Just have to look the thing over and go for a drive.

Most cars can go that far with ease as long as they have been somewhat taken care of.

That is where you come in. It should be obvious within the first 60 seconds if the car is in good shape or not.
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#3253492 - 01/19/14 09:18 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: The Critic]
DirtyMoe21 Offline


Registered: 11/29/13
Posts: 121
Loc: Fort Worth,Texas
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: redhat
I don't think 150k is near the end of life. I think if you're looking for a Camry or Accord with that mileage you can expect a lot of life from their drive trains.


Based on what? These are fairly "cheap" cars that were not overbuilt. Even if a vehicle is well-maintained, it does wear out eventually. 150k is nearing that point.


Based on thousands of them on the roads today, 150k isn't squat on a Camry or Accord that has been well maintained. I have personally seen several of these "well" built cars go over 150k and beyond with normal maintenance.
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#3253508 - 01/19/14 09:29 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
ls1mike Offline


Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 3101
Loc: Bremerton Wa
Depends on the history and what you are willing to do.
Not just Hondas and Toyotas last that long. I have had 3 3800s that went well into the 250,000s and a 4.3 and 5.7 that did the same. My old 454 is well over 250,000 now. When I got rid of it, it had 190,000, 85 percent of it towing, and it ran like a champ.
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#3253523 - 01/19/14 09:51 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ls1mike]
redhat Offline


Registered: 12/07/12
Posts: 979
Loc: Western New York
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Depends on the history and what you are willing to do.
Not just Hondas and Toyotas last that long. I have had 3 3800s that went well into the 250,000s and a 4.3 and 5.7 that did the same. My old 454 is well over 250,000 now. When I got rid of it, it had 190,000, 85 percent of it towing, and it ran like a champ.


Thank you for mentioning the good old 3.8. I personally had a Series 1 take me to 231k and a friends dad took a Series 1 with an aluminum intake to 375k.
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#3253524 - 01/19/14 09:53 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: The Critic]
Doog Offline


Registered: 10/24/11
Posts: 3469
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: The Critic

150k is usually when most cars are towards the end of their life.


Not of they are maintained according to the manufacturers recommendation. 150k is 50-70% used up depending on the vehicle make. I used to think that way until I ran a few to 170 then 190 and now I have one with 192k and plan to run it at least another 30-40k. Just depends on the car. But I learned one thing: If I have a car with 150k on it and it doesn't leak or consume oil. It will probably go 250k or more.

I dod meet a guy with a Lexus LS400 that had 800k on it. Original engine and 3rd transmission.


Edited by Doog (01/19/14 09:55 PM)
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#3253529 - 01/19/14 09:59 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 09/03/10
Posts: 2622
Loc: VA
For my "good" vehicles I've never bought one with much over 100K mi(112 to be exact)... For around town beater I only look at condition as I'll probably sell it in two or three years, usually for more than I paid...

Now days I go for the low mileage one owners that have been garaged... Have a '98 Grand Marquis that just turned 61K mi(bought in '10 with 33K mi), looks better than my '07 with same mileage...

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#3253533 - 01/19/14 10:04 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
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Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 17793
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
I think a lot of you are solely focusing on the engine/transmission. Sure, under light-duty service, many cars will easily go 150k if they are maintained a bit better than minimum.

However, the suspension, interior and electronic modules may not have the same lifespan. At 150k, it is quite likely that the vehicle will need some suspension work and other electronic items (I.e. alternator and starter) will not be far behind.

The hassle factor is an important consideration. A payment on a newer economy car is under $500/mo, and the predictability and reliability is well worth it if you have a busy schedule. Not everyone's lifestyle is a good fit for a car that needs extra attention.

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#3253539 - 01/19/14 10:18 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
hattaresguy Offline


Registered: 06/01/11
Posts: 5137
Loc: CT
I wouldn't buy a vehicle with spaceship mileage unless it was very cheap. For $5k your one transmission and a set of struts away from an $8k vehicle.

Considering said vehicle can be purchased for just over $20k new your paying a large premium for the most maintenance intensive period of the cars life.

The last 170k mile car I bought was in HS and I paid $300 for it. If something broke I junked it.

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#3253544 - 01/19/14 10:21 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: ram_man]
Ben Boyle Offline


Registered: 08/07/04
Posts: 194
Loc: Michigan
Mileage is relative, age is relative. It's all in how badly you want it. I have a Citroen 2CV I drive whenever there is no snow or salt. I have replaced the frame, the engine, and many other parts along the way. However, I have driven the car on multiple 12 hour plus trips each way with excellent reliability. I drive a 3.8 powered Grand Prix in the winter with almost 240,000 miles and the car does need the occasional repair but the car has proven to be very easy to repair and the parts are very inexpensive and available compared to a Toyota or a Honda in my Michigan locale and I just keep on going. I also have a Lada Niva for the really bad days, but I have to think the inability to get parts quickly so I limit what I do with it.

I think the '02 Grand Prix, mile for mile, is the cheapest car I've ever owned. My family bought it new and I've driven it now that it's been relegated to beater status but that car has virtually all original parts and I don't believe that the typical same year Camry or Accord could have done it any better.

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#3253546 - 01/19/14 10:22 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: The Critic]
Doog Offline


Registered: 10/24/11
Posts: 3469
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: The Critic

The hassle factor is an important consideration. A payment on a newer economy car is under $500/mo, and the predictability and reliability is well worth it if you have a busy schedule. Not everyone's lifestyle is a good fit for a car that needs extra attention.


So you are advocating to pay up to $6000 annually plus higher insurance? Not a very good recommendation. If you put $2-3000 in annual maintenance in a 150k car it will most likely go another 150k and you don't suffer the additional cost of the depreciation. My best bet is a Certified Used car with 30-40k on it and a 100k warranty. Then drive it to 200k and sell it. If you do the math on that combo you will see it is the best of both worlds.


Edited by Doog (01/19/14 10:27 PM)
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#3253550 - 01/19/14 10:29 PM Re: how important are miles when car shoppping [Re: Ben Boyle]
Doog Offline


Registered: 10/24/11
Posts: 3469
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: Ben Boyle

I think the '02 Grand Prix, mile for mile, is the cheapest car I've ever owned. My family bought it new and I've driven it now that it's been relegated to beater status but that car has virtually all original parts and I don't believe that the typical same year Camry or Accord could have done it any better.


+1 Your GP was a good one. Now imagine is you had dumped it at 150k.
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