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#3252073 - 01/18/14 12:11 PM Tdi gelatinous sludge
Chugchug Offline


Registered: 01/18/14
Posts: 4
Loc: Colorado
I recently picked up another project car, anyone want to chime in on causes of this amount of sludge. 2003 Tdi Vw with 148k miles, turbo failed due to clogged supply line go figure! Previouse owner swears he did 10k oil change full synth. The car was only driven in the summer, parked each winter. No information on brand or diesel specific oil, or if it was changed before parking for the winter.







Thanks!

Matt


Edited by Chugchug (01/18/14 12:14 PM)

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#3252076 - 01/18/14 12:14 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
matrass Offline


Registered: 11/05/04
Posts: 1276
Loc: Pa
wow that looks real nasty. nice name btw that is mine also :O)

What are you plans for the car ?



Thanks for the pics

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#3252080 - 01/18/14 12:23 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
Ramblejam Offline


Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 1201
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: Chugchug
anyone want to chime in on causes of this amount of sludge.


He certainly could have been using synthetic, just the wrong oil for the application. This is what happens what you use gas engine oil in a TDI.

Ask him, specifically, what oil he was using.

By chance was this a WVO car?

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#3252086 - 01/18/14 12:26 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
Chugchug Offline


Registered: 01/18/14
Posts: 4
Loc: Colorado
That was my first inclination as well gas oil in diesel. Soot was not suspended in oil, settled out in winter, Previous owner is no longer returning phone calls.

Matt

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#3252092 - 01/18/14 12:29 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
hemitom Offline


Registered: 03/12/07
Posts: 749
Loc: canada
Yea , i bet he meant i check the oil every 10k
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#3252112 - 01/18/14 01:21 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: hemitom]
GSCJR Offline


Registered: 01/20/13
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Originally Posted By: hemitom
Yea , i bet he meant i check the oil every 10k


Yup!
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#3252120 - 01/18/14 01:35 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: GSCJR]
05ChevyI5 Offline


Registered: 03/17/10
Posts: 247
Loc: NC
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to rebuild the world's first super-sludged engine. Matt will be that man. Better than it was before. Better, stronger, faster. tongue2

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#3252122 - 01/18/14 01:38 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: 05ChevyI5]
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Originally Posted By: 05ChevyI5
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to rebuild the world's first super-sludged engine. Matt will be that man. Better than it was before. Better, stronger, faster. tongue2



This. I like this enthusiasm.
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#3252130 - 01/18/14 01:49 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
Doog Offline


Registered: 10/24/11
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Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: Chugchug
Previouse owner swears he did 10k oil change full synth.


Yeah sure he did..... liar
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#3252131 - 01/18/14 01:51 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: CHARLIEBRONSON21]
matrass Offline


Registered: 11/05/04
Posts: 1276
Loc: Pa
Originally Posted By: CHARLIEBRONSON21
Originally Posted By: 05ChevyI5
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to rebuild the world's first super-sludged engine. Matt will be that man. Better than it was before. Better, stronger, faster. tongue2



This. I like this enthusiasm.



Agreed keep us updated with some pics of the process.

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#3252159 - 01/18/14 02:34 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: 05ChevyI5]
simple_gifts Offline


Registered: 07/26/04
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Loc: Middlesex County CT
Originally Posted By: 05ChevyI5
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to rebuild the world's first super-sludged engine. Matt will be that man. Better than it was before. Better, stronger, faster. tongue2


Yes, don't forget the $6,000,000
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#3252172 - 01/18/14 02:55 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
ChiTDI Offline


Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 2057
Loc: Chicago IL
Ten years of wrong oil, no soot suspension, and long intervals of sitting in the cold for the collection of goo at the bottom of the pan? I'm a believer.
If you rebuild, '03s had a poor alternator history. Be advised.

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#3252177 - 01/18/14 03:13 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Ramblejam]
scurvy Offline


Registered: 02/19/07
Posts: 2303
Loc: Chicago IL USA
Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
By chance was this a WVO car?

This was my thought as well.

Usually just using gasser oil on 2003 and earlier TDIs leads to faster cam and crank bearing wear... plenty of those were dis-serviced as the stealership with gasser Syntec 5w30 for many, many years.
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#3252182 - 01/18/14 03:18 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1725
Loc: London, England
10k oci with synth oil?

I am another person in the "not very likely" camp.

Time for a low mileage second hand engine.

You will need to spends massive amounts of money getting that engine back up and running reliably.

The only situation i can see when the previous owner was telling the about the oil changes is if there was significant diesel contamination of the oil which can cause the oil to turn into a thick black vaseline like substance.

But i have only ever seen it in dpf equipped vehicles that have had repeated failed regens and the oil and filter was not changed at the same time as a forced regen.

Only a small number of Citreon and Peugeot vehicles had dpf back in 03 and i don't think many would have got to the US as they were hardly sold in the UK.

Perhaps it was overfueling in some way.

UOA would confirm if it was caused by diesel in the sump.

Which would also mean it will need fuel system problems fixed also.

Good luck with this project
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#3252185 - 01/18/14 03:21 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
285south Offline


Registered: 01/18/13
Posts: 551
Loc: usa
Originally Posted By: Chugchug
Previouse owner swears he did 10k oil change full synth.


Previous owner is a LIAR!! He never changed the oil like in 3 years.

I should know, I drove my car's dino oil 8000 miles averaged, sometimes 10K, and one time to like 11.4K

My link to pix of what mine looked like:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3132705#Post3132705

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