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#3252190 - 01/18/14 03:24 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: 285south]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1688
Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: 285south
Originally Posted By: Chugchug
Previouse owner swears he did 10k oil change full synth.


Previous owner is a LIAR!! He never changed the oil like in 3 years.

I should know, I drove my car's dino oil 8000 miles averaged, sometimes 10K, and one time to like 11.4K

My link to pix of what mine looked like:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3132705#Post3132705


Was your car petrol or a turbodiesel like the OP?
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#3252194 - 01/18/14 03:27 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
michaelluscher Offline


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Eww puke


Someone's not telling the whole story, didn't use diesel oil, or Some internal leak liar
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#3252329 - 01/18/14 06:24 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
Chugchug Offline


Registered: 01/18/14
Posts: 4
Loc: Colorado
This motor is still putting up good compression in all cylinders, Cam shows no excessive wear, will update.

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#3252356 - 01/18/14 06:45 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 7086
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Its obvious that the owner didn't use properly spec'd oil and very likely shot tripped the vehicle which never got the oil up to operating temp and didn't adjust the interval to compensate for "severe service".
So pure and simple it was neglect.

OP. Even if compression is good you still have to tear the engine apart to inspect everything.
Or risk a weak link taking out the entire engine and all your effort wasted.
At this point is a few more hours really a big deal.
I personally wouldn't risk it. I'd hot tank everything and get everything tested for micro-cracks,because with that kind of sludge we can expect the engine when it was running would have had numerous hot spots the oil was failing to properly cool not to mention an overheat or 2.
Why risk it,you've got it apart anyways.
And yes please update your thread. In interested in your progress.
Good luck breathing new life into it. Got a bigger turbo for it yet?
More boost equals more fun.
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#3252404 - 01/18/14 07:40 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: bigjl]
yonyon Offline


Registered: 03/06/12
Posts: 3492
Loc: NJ, USA
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: 285south
Originally Posted By: Chugchug
Previouse owner swears he did 10k oil change full synth.


Previous owner is a LIAR!! He never changed the oil like in 3 years.

I should know, I drove my car's dino oil 8000 miles averaged, sometimes 10K, and one time to like 11.4K

My link to pix of what mine looked like:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3132705#Post3132705


Was your car petrol or a turbodiesel like the OP?


I don't mean to speak for 285south, but you can tell pretty easily from the pictures that he has a 4-cylinder spark ignition turbodiesel.

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#3252475 - 01/18/14 08:46 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: yonyon]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1688
Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: 285south
Originally Posted By: Chugchug
Previouse owner swears he did 10k oil change full synth.


Previous owner is a LIAR!! He never changed the oil like in 3 years.

I should know, I drove my car's dino oil 8000 miles averaged, sometimes 10K, and one time to like 11.4K

My link to pix of what mine looked like:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3132705#Post3132705


Was your car petrol or a turbodiesel like the OP?


I don't mean to speak for 285south, but you can tell pretty easily from the pictures that he has a 4-cylinder spark ignition turbodiesel.


Didn't read his other thread just checked out the first photo and it looked too clean for a diesel.

What is a spark ignition turbo diesel?

Diesel engines have glow plugs in my experience.
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#3252519 - 01/18/14 09:17 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
scurvy Offline


Registered: 02/19/07
Posts: 2267
Loc: Chicago IL USA
Originally Posted By: Chugchug
This motor is still putting up good compression in all cylinders

That's because the rings are coked solid with sludge. WVO engines often gain compression as their rings get filled up with that fantastic gasket of polymerized vegetable oil.
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#3252620 - 01/19/14 12:42 AM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
Doug Hillary Offline


Registered: 05/30/03
Posts: 4818
Loc: Airlie Beach Australia
Hi,
Chugchug - The pictures are typical of many Heavy High Speed Diesel engines I've seen in the past that have been poorly serviced. This usually was the result of the using an incorrect specification lubricant and OCIs that were not frequent enough

I've seen it occur quite quickly, even with engines under Warranty in some cases (Fleets), and the Fleet Owner usually blames the lubricant. The engine Manufacturer typically denies Warranty of course after research proves that the lubricant type was incorrect and that Service routines were sloppy with OCIs being spasmodic and usually infrequent
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#3252659 - 01/19/14 04:59 AM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: bigjl]
yonyon Offline


Registered: 03/06/12
Posts: 3492
Loc: NJ, USA
Originally Posted By: bigjl

What is a spark ignition turbo diesel?

I don't think you can have spark ignition and still have it be a diesel. That's a gas engine.

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#3252716 - 01/19/14 07:32 AM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
Jim Allen Offline


Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 4477
Loc: NW Ohio
I don't often comment when the previous posters have already said it and said it well but I thing the Family Guy pic above sums up my feelings. This is what we call a multi-level object lesson.

If there was any liquid oil left, did you think to take a sample for analysis. It's possible that it would have answered some of your questions. If nothing else, it might have inspired another bout of chorus-hurling. ( : < )

Hang in there!
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#3253093 - 01/19/14 01:46 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: yonyon]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1688
Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: bigjl

What is a spark ignition turbo diesel?

I don't think you can have spark ignition and still have it be a diesel. That's a gas engine.


I know that.

But you were the one that mentioned it.
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#3254086 - 01/20/14 02:04 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: Chugchug]
accent2012 Offline


Registered: 02/08/12
Posts: 440
Loc: Orlando, FL
He probably used the basic diesel oil, like the shell or mobil delvac brand, which I don't think meets VW specs, but can still be used but definitely not beyond 5k miles.
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#3254095 - 01/20/14 02:10 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: accent2012]
Ramblejam Offline


Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 879
Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: accent2012
He probably used the basic diesel oil, like the shell or mobil delvac brand, which I don't think meets VW specs, but can still be used but definitely not beyond 5k miles.


Running Rotella or Delvac 15w-40, in and of itself, would not have caused this.


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#3254340 - 01/20/14 06:52 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: accent2012]
05ChevyI5 Offline


Registered: 03/17/10
Posts: 247
Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: accent2012
He probably used the basic diesel oil, like the shell or mobil delvac brand, which I don't think meets VW specs, but can still be used but definitely not beyond 5k miles.

A VW needs beetle-juice. Right? grin

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#3254393 - 01/20/14 07:52 PM Re: Tdi gelatinous sludge [Re: 05ChevyI5]
k1rod Offline


Registered: 12/17/06
Posts: 258
Loc: Arizona
Nope, The owner was either a liar about the OCI or he used gasser oil in the TDI. I have a 2001 VW Jetta TDI with the same engine as you do (ALH). I have changed the oil every 10,000 - 12,000 miles with Mobil 1 TDT or Mobil Delvac 1. I recently looked at the top of the head and it is so clean, it looks like a laboratory experiment. If you still have good compression, you may be able to save it. If not call Aaron over at Bora parts. He had some ALH crate motors for very reasonable money.

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