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#3266864 - 02/01/14 01:34 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: dernp]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3306
Loc: OH
Here are a few links that took me a whole 2 minutes to find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_and_driving_safety

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Drivingissues/20060830105036.html#.Uu1I96SA0dU

http://unews.utah.edu/old/p/062206-1.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/12/science/la-sci-sn-hands-free-phone-driving-aaa-20130612

I think we all get that Whip and TiredTrucker are against any rules, regulations, or laws that infringe upon their freedoms, even when those freedoms are dangerous to others...


Edited by grampi (02/01/14 01:36 PM)

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#3267018 - 02/01/14 04:27 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: grampi]
Jarlaxle Offline


Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 3785
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle


You are in favor of banning motorcycles, then?


More ridiculousness...how many people die on motorcycles each year and how many people die due to cell phone use while driving each year...enough said on that...


Riding a motorcycle is "unnecessary", it is unquestionably dangerous. Backpedaling now, I see?
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#3267022 - 02/01/14 04:30 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: whip]
Jarlaxle Offline


Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 3785
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
So, the law will do nothing. Absolutely nothing. When you place a restriction, folks will find a way to circumvent it.

Just ask all of the illegal pot smokers. Right, Grampi!

This is the point where Grampi calls you ridiculous and refuses to address the legitimate points you've brought up because he has no answer for them.


Even Grampi would have to admit he responded EXACTLY as you said! Hilarious...

What makes it even better is that it appears Grampi doesn't even see it. He's certainly one of the most entertaining posters.


"Entertaining"...you mean a bit like a Youtube clip of someone trying to play tether-ball while drunk, right?
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#3267288 - 02/01/14 08:47 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: Jarlaxle]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3306
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle


You are in favor of banning motorcycles, then?


More ridiculousness...how many people die on motorcycles each year and how many people die due to cell phone use while driving each year...enough said on that...


Riding a motorcycle is "unnecessary", it is unquestionably dangerous. Backpedaling now, I see?


Motorcycling only endangers the rider, unlike cell phoning and driving...

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#3267584 - 02/02/14 07:31 AM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: Jarlaxle]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3306
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
"Entertaining"...you mean a bit like a Youtube clip of someone trying to play tether-ball while drunk, right?


This is the type of comment I expect from those who have nothing to back their view...

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#3267675 - 02/02/14 08:53 AM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: grampi]
whip Offline


Registered: 03/03/05
Posts: 1451
Loc: ohio
Originally Posted By: grampi
Here are a few links that took me a whole 2 minutes to find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_and_driving_safety

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Drivingissues/20060830105036.html#.Uu1I96SA0dU

http://unews.utah.edu/old/p/062206-1.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/12/science/la-sci-sn-hands-free-phone-driving-aaa-20130612

I think we all get that Whip and TiredTrucker are against any rules, regulations, or laws that infringe upon their freedoms, even when those freedoms are dangerous to others...

according to the wiki link you provided, only 995 deaths were directly contributed distracted driving by cell phone. that's almost 70% lower than the numbers I posted. Thank you for correcting me.

I'll try to explain my point to you again. There are already laws in place for distracted driving. New laws will do nothing. I agree that texting is plain ignorant, but I don't think hands free is that big of a deal. It's no more distracting than eating, talking or the hundreds of other things people do while driving.
You're a self admitted pot smoker. Do laws stop you from doing that? Since they don't, why do you think more laws are the answer?

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#3267727 - 02/02/14 09:31 AM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: grampi]
TiredTrucker Offline


Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 897
Loc: Kellogg, IA
Originally Posted By: grampi


Motorcycling only endangers the rider, unlike cell phoning and driving...


Guess you have never seen a motorcycle go thru an auto windshield.
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#3267999 - 02/02/14 01:34 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: whip]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3306
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: grampi
Here are a few links that took me a whole 2 minutes to find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_and_driving_safety

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Drivingissues/20060830105036.html#.Uu1I96SA0dU

http://unews.utah.edu/old/p/062206-1.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/12/science/la-sci-sn-hands-free-phone-driving-aaa-20130612

I think we all get that Whip and TiredTrucker are against any rules, regulations, or laws that infringe upon their freedoms, even when those freedoms are dangerous to others...

according to the wiki link you provided, only 995 deaths were directly contributed distracted driving by cell phone. that's almost 70% lower than the numbers I posted. Thank you for correcting me.

I'll try to explain my point to you again. There are already laws in place for distracted driving. New laws will do nothing. I agree that texting is plain ignorant, but I don't think hands free is that big of a deal. It's no more distracting than eating, talking or the hundreds of other things people do while driving.
You're a self admitted pot smoker. Do laws stop you from doing that? Since they don't, why do you think more laws are the answer?


I don't, that's why I'm saying instead of making new laws specifically against cell phone use while driving, I say the focus should be on cell phone manufacturers to install devices in the phones that renders them useless while in a vehicle with the ignition on...and I admitted that I USED to smoke pot...I don't anymore...

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#3268005 - 02/02/14 01:35 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: TiredTrucker]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3306
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Originally Posted By: grampi


Motorcycling only endangers the rider, unlike cell phoning and driving...


Guess you have never seen a motorcycle go thru an auto windshield.


You guys are really reaching for things to support your views...and looking quite foolish in the process...I don't think motorcyclists going through people's windshields is quite the epidemic that distracted driving is...


Edited by grampi (02/02/14 01:37 PM)

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#3268024 - 02/02/14 01:48 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: grampi]
97f150 Offline


Registered: 02/24/05
Posts: 1728
Loc: Southeast Louisiana
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Originally Posted By: grampi


Motorcycling only endangers the rider, unlike cell phoning and driving...


Guess you have never seen a motorcycle go thru an auto windshield.


You guys are really reaching for things to support your views...and looking quite foolish in the process...I don't think motorcyclists going through people's windshields is quite the epidemic that distracted driving is...


Key phrase is "distracted driving", not specifically cell phone use. Do you even know what a cell phone is?
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#3268162 - 02/02/14 03:27 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: dernp]
TiredTrucker Offline


Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 897
Loc: Kellogg, IA
What is really "reaching' is trying to get every cell phone disabled once the ignition starts. Would be everyone in the vehicle, even in the back seat? If not, then the driver could just use their phone while driving! Does it apply to every phone in the vehicle? What is the range of that disabling? Imagine driving down the street and pedestrians that walk a little close to the vehicle and their calls drop. These are not "reaching" situations. I have watched regulatory stuff for a lot of years, both as a 13 year government employee, and as a small business owner in commercial trucking.

And just look at the Obamacare fiasco. One can only imagine the mess of having every cell phone disabled when the ignition switch is turned on. The big problem is that very few who advocate just about any regulation, also do not look beyond the end of their nose and see the potential unintended consequences of those regulations.

But it still boggles the mind how so many people that claim to be Americans want to regulate everyone like we are in Stalinist Russia.
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#3268256 - 02/02/14 04:29 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: grampi]
whip Offline


Registered: 03/03/05
Posts: 1451
Loc: ohio
Originally Posted By: grampi
I don't, that's why I'm saying instead of making new laws specifically against cell phone use while driving, I say the focus should be on cell phone manufacturers to install devices in the phones that renders them useless while in a vehicle with the ignition on...and I admitted that I USED to smoke pot...I don't anymore...

Myself and others have pointed out the many flaws to your jammer idea. Other than you and about 3 other people, nobody thinks it's a good idea to prevent passengers and bus riders from making calls. Since your only solution to those problems is ignoring them, it will never happen.

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#3268260 - 02/02/14 04:31 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: grampi]
whip Offline


Registered: 03/03/05
Posts: 1451
Loc: ohio
Originally Posted By: grampi

Motorcycling only endangers the rider, unlike cell phoning and driving...

The family that was attacked by the group of motorcyclist in NYC might disagree.

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#3268399 - 02/02/14 07:31 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: dernp]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 3306
Loc: OH
So Whip and TiredTrucker, since you don't like my ideas, what do you suggest?

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#3268438 - 02/02/14 08:19 PM Re: Cell phone/driving: an officer's view [Re: dernp]
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 2470
Loc: Daytona, Florida
Intrusion in the name of safety, Intrusion in name of the children. Regardless its all Intrusion. I think I will keep my rights as many and as long as possible.

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