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#3244115 - 01/10/14 04:19 PM Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace
gofast182 Offline


Registered: 04/30/13
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A Chevrolet dealership in Delaware had an owner's Camaro ZL1 in for a warranty paint repair during which time an employee took it for a joyride and smashed it into a telephone pole. Not only has the dealer not offered to replace their car, they instead found a used ZL1 with an accident record the customer could buy from them. UNBELIEVABLE. This should not stand. I hope the customer gets a replacement car and the dealership is dealt with appropriately.

Link to story on Jalopnik
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#3244123 - 01/10/14 04:28 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
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Yeah there's no way he won't get a new car.

Cheapest lawyer you can get would have you walking away with money in that scenario.
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#3244130 - 01/10/14 04:35 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
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They will owe him replacement and loss of use.
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#3244138 - 01/10/14 04:44 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
JTK Offline


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Yeah.. Even if they were un/under-insured I'm pretty sure they'll make out OK.
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#3244139 - 01/10/14 04:44 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
GenSan Offline


Registered: 04/27/10
Posts: 558
Loc: WV
So sad. I wish them all the best and hope it gets resolved w/ a brand new ZL1.

This from the article, "We can't even have charges pressed against their employee for theft because the car was not in OUR possession when stolen."

Reminds me when I was also informed by a childhood friend who rose the ranks of the Marlton, NJ PD and now a NJ Trooper that, when I had prospective buyers test drive my now sold Sequoia and I handed them the keys for a test run and if they never returned I could NOT report it as stolen/press charges since I willingly handed them my keys and vehicle and I would have to go through the court system.

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#3244154 - 01/10/14 05:14 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
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Registered: 10/09/11
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Loc: USA
Wonder what the new female GM CEO has to say about that?

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#3244161 - 01/10/14 05:25 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
bullwinkle Offline


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Insurance company will pay off, then they will TEE OFF on the STEALERSHIP! Still trying to figure out why the joyriding employee isn't charged with grand theft auto on this one.
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#3244166 - 01/10/14 05:34 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
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Registered: 10/23/05
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Heh, after that treatment, I'd get my own insurance company to buy me a new one, then let them (and their lawyers) go after the dealership, its insurance, the fired service writer and anyone else they could find, to collect on what they'd paid out (and incidentally get me my deductible back).
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#3244172 - 01/10/14 05:41 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
oldhp Offline


Registered: 06/28/12
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Loc: Southern Illinois
Oh will they pay. I would park it in front of the dealership with huge sign....
I wonder if they will offer free oil changes for life???
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#3244182 - 01/10/14 05:51 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
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Empty that stealership & burn it to the ground.
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#3244184 - 01/10/14 05:54 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
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Loc: Chicago, IL
Predictable: dealer does something stupid, Internet blows up over it, dealer recants to save face.

Next week there will be a follow-up article about how they're buying him a new ZL1.
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#3244199 - 01/10/14 06:12 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
Roadkingnc Offline


Registered: 07/16/11
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Loc: NC USA
Unfortunately if the owner signed a repair order when he left the car there is a disclaimer on it stating the dealership is not responsible for damages, it sucks but that's the way it is.
Usually gives them permission to road test the car also. They aren't obligated to replace the car but tried to sell him a replacement car, at s discounted price.
The customer should let his insurance handle it, the dealership is not at fault this time. Looks like the employee came in after hours and drove it.

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#3244222 - 01/10/14 06:48 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
MrHorspwer Offline


Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 902
Loc: Michigan
The more I read about this story, the more it looks like an owner who is upset about getting shafted by his insurance company.

The owners says he traded in his 2011 Camaro SS and a "pristine" 1969 Camaro SS to buy the ZL1. He also goes on to say that he is still making payments on it, so he also pulled a loan to buy it.

The money side just doesn't add up. One would think that a pristine 1969 Camaro SS and a pretty new, and well maintained by the sounds of the owner, 2011 Camaro SS would be enough to cover the entire purchase price of a 2012 ZL1. If not cover it outright, it'd cover a lot of it, making for a very large down payment, plus a small loan for the difference.

So if the ZL1 were totaled, much of the money he had invested in the car would be coming back to him. If it's not, that's between him and his insurance company, not the dealership. That's money he could take and put toward a new 2014 ZL1. In this scenario, I could see the dealership offering to pay the *difference* between what he's getting out of the totaled ZL1 and what a 2014 would cost. That'd be pretty fair.

From the dealer's view, it wasn't a new car. It was two years old, it had mileage on it, and no matter how babied a car it, it depreciates in value rather quickly. Like most small businesses, dealerships don't keep $60,000 just lying around to dole out as charity because one of their former employees was a <censored>.

Of course, the other scenario is the guy sold his 1969 and his 2011, took all the money from those and spent it on a boatload of blow, then financed the entire purchase price of the ZL1, leaving him SOL when it was totaled.


Edited by wwillson (01/11/14 09:07 PM)
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#3244232 - 01/10/14 06:54 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: Roadkingnc]
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Registered: 09/12/12
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Loc: Crowntown, CA
Originally Posted By: Roadkingnc
Unfortunately if the owner signed a repair order when he left the car there is a disclaimer on it stating the dealership is not responsible for damages, it sucks but that's the way it is.
Usually gives them permission to road test the car also. They aren't obligated to replace the car but tried to sell him a replacement car, at s discounted price.
The customer should let his insurance handle it, the dealership is not at fault this time. Looks like the employee came in after hours and drove it.

I agree with you for the most part. The employee did not wreck the car while in the normal scope of his employment (he stole it, remember?), so the dealership is probably off the hook from a legal perspective, which is why their lawyers told them not to offer any other deals.

Even if the dealership has some liability here, it no more than if they were an individual and not a company. Most of the comments here and after the linked story are ridiculous. Why do they owe him a new car to replace his two year old car? At most, they (or their insurance company) owe him the value of his totaled car, the same as if he wrapped it around a telephone pole himself. He should have already received that money from his insurance company, unless he did not have comprehensive coverage on it (which would be a bonehead move on his part as he stated he "will never be able to afford another new ZL1") or his insurance company did not think they would be able to recover that amount from the dealer (or, again, their insurance company).

The most he is owed is the fair market value of his car before it was wrecked. With that money, he could theoretically go out and purchase a replacement vehicle that had the same mileage and features of his wrecked car (less taxes, registration, etc.). He isn't even due any rental car expenses because this car was barely driven (something like 10,000 miles in two years) and was a show car, so I doubt he needed it for daily use. That is the way our legal system works. He needs to grow up and accept that he cannot get what he wants just because he thinks it is fair or that the car was his "baby". It was a freaking car!!!
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#3244248 - 01/10/14 07:00 PM Re: Dealerhip totals owner's Camaro ZL1, won't replace [Re: gofast182]
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And the title of the story is ridiculous. The dealership did not total the car, an employee acting outside the scope of his employment and not even while he was on the clock took it without permission, so the title should be "Dealership Service Writer Steals and Totals Customer's Camaro ZL1, Owner at War With Wrong Party (Dummy)".
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