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#3242989 - 01/09/14 03:26 PM PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP
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I was searching the shell EPC to see if I could find any new pds on PYB due to the recent PQIA results with the super low NOACK. They had new MSDS listed but no TDS for an oil called Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Motor oil. It lists GTL as the base oil as well (fisher-tropsch derived). The dates are 12/22/13 so there are less than a month old! Looks like they are combining the PP and PU line up or they are going to be putting the same product in different bottles. They have 0w20, 0w40, 5w20, 5w30, 10w30 weights. Thoughts??

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658892.PDF
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658646.PDF
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658650.PDF
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658891.PDF


Edited by volk06 (01/09/14 03:34 PM)
Edit Reason: grammar/spelling
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#3242997 - 01/09/14 03:36 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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At first I thought this was an early April Fool's joke.
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#3242998 - 01/09/14 03:36 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Conspiracy I say! UFO
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#3242999 - 01/09/14 03:40 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Good find. This is big news.

I hope thats not the real name.

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#3243006 - 01/09/14 03:44 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Good find! Surprises me but it actually makes sense marketing wise IMO.
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#3243014 - 01/09/14 03:56 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Does this mean that this forum will start calling the Pennzoil faithful "Puppies"?

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#3243018 - 01/09/14 04:00 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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This is quite likely to be the Sopus product to meet GF-6. They will be ready for the market. JMO

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#3243033 - 01/09/14 04:13 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Interesting.

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#3243034 - 01/09/14 04:14 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
2010_FX4 Offline


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I have always thought the marketing on Ultra was poorly executed. They could have named Ultra something like Titanium (like the progression in credit cards which consumers are quite familiar with) to indicate it was a better or higher quality oil than Platinum.
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#3243035 - 01/09/14 04:15 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Here's a thread on that very subject from last July:

Maybe I should have registered the name with the US Patent & Trademark Office?


Edited by Bill in Utah (01/09/14 05:38 PM)
Edit Reason: cleaned up link for formatting issues
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#3243077 - 01/09/14 04:30 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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I sure hope they don't introduce another oil that is above "Ultra-Platinum". What's next...Diamond? Ultra-Ultra?
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#3243080 - 01/09/14 04:33 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Pennzoil Ultra-est!
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#3243084 - 01/09/14 04:38 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: dparm
I sure hope they don't introduce another oil that is above "Ultra-Platinum". What's next...Diamond? Ultra-Ultra?

Titanium
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#3243088 - 01/09/14 04:41 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Aluminum?
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#3243095 - 01/09/14 04:45 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: 2010_FX4]
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Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: dparm
I sure hope they don't introduce another oil that is above "Ultra-Platinum". What's next...Diamond? Ultra-Ultra?

Titanium


I think Castrol would sue them for that. eek
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#3243100 - 01/09/14 04:49 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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do you think SOPUS is aware there are 0-30's out there? Geez--my fav oil, and no 0-30
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#3243138 - 01/09/14 05:16 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
Trav Offline


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Maybe this is why Ultra has been disappearing and lot of sales on Platinum.
Just from the Msds it sure looks like pure GTL with mineral oil as just an additive carrier.

I would bet this will be Dexos approved also. I maybe wrong but in light of all the recent developments (the NOAK of PYB) it seems Shell might be really upping the ante with their Pennzoil brand.
The question on my mind is how will Mobil answer these new super oils.
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#3243139 - 01/09/14 05:16 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: 2010_FX4]
Danh Offline


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Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
I have always thought the marketing on Ultra was poorly executed. They could have named Ultra something like Titanium (like the progression in credit cards which consumers are quite familiar with) to indicate it was a better or higher quality oil than Platinum.


Shell's top-tier oil in Europe (and elsewhere?) is called "Shell Helix Ultra", which is probably the source of the name. But it was really never differentiated from Platinum, and for North American Consumers "Helix Utra" means absolutely nothing.

You'd think they could have advertised GTL base stocks, low volatility, etc. to explain its wonderfulness, but they must've concluded we're too clueless to care.

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#3243151 - 01/09/14 05:31 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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So PYB is the new PP, but labeled Dino, and they have a single premium synthetic to cover the 0w emerging market. Makes sense.

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#3243160 - 01/09/14 05:49 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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? no 0w30-darn.
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#3243163 - 01/09/14 05:53 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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There used to be a PP 15W50 and 5W50. I wonder if the new Pennzoil synth will be available in a 50 weight,or if QS will be their only one?
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#3243166 - 01/09/14 06:00 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Eddie]
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Originally Posted By: Eddie
? no 0w30-darn.


I'm also disappointed that there's no 0w30.
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#3243192 - 01/09/14 06:27 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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#3243194 - 01/09/14 06:30 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: dparm
I sure hope they don't introduce another oil that is above "Ultra-Platinum". What's next...Diamond? Ultra-Ultra?
Titanium
I think Castrol would sue them for that. eek

Castrol Edge with Titanium is not the same as Castrol Titanium. The brand name is Castrol Edge; the word titanium denotes part of the additive package or some other descriptor. I think SOPUS could have used it and Castrol could not have said a word.
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#3243199 - 01/09/14 06:33 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: A_Harman]
demarpaint Offline


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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Eddie
? no 0w30-darn.


I'm also disappointed that there's no 0w30.


Me too, that might have swayed me away from Mobil 1.
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#3243207 - 01/09/14 06:37 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Sweet, I might have to try it when it comes out.
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#3243211 - 01/09/14 06:40 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: dparm
I sure hope they don't introduce another oil that is above "Ultra-Platinum". What's next...Diamond? Ultra-Ultra?


Pennzoil Unobatanium.

Oh, wait, that's just Ultra frown

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#3243246 - 01/09/14 07:44 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Pennzoil Iridium, since they like rare metals.
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#3243258 - 01/09/14 07:55 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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-60F pour point on the 5W20 and 5W30...I'm impressed...but not sure why smile

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#3243361 - 01/09/14 09:48 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Eddie
? no 0w30-darn.


I'm also disappointed that there's no 0w30.


Me too, that might have swayed me away from Mobil 1.



Blend your own -- mix the 0w20 and 0w40.
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#3243364 - 01/09/14 09:51 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: dparm

Blend your own -- mix the 0w20 and 0w40.


That's what I'm currently doing.
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#3243375 - 01/09/14 10:16 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: dparm]
demarpaint Offline


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Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Eddie
? no 0w30-darn.


I'm also disappointed that there's no 0w30.


Me too, that might have swayed me away from Mobil 1.



Blend your own -- mix the 0w20 and 0w40.


It's easier just to buy the Mobil 1 0W30 and call it a day.
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#3243411 - 01/09/14 11:18 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: novadude]
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Originally Posted By: novadude
Does this mean that this forum will start calling the Pennzoil faithful "Puppies"?




crackmeup
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#3243521 - 01/10/14 06:28 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: demarpaint]
Trav Offline


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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It's easier just to buy the Mobil 1 0W30 and call it a day.



Two questions come to mind. How many domestic and Asian manufacturers spec 0w30?
In the US anyway is 0w30 really necessary when 5w30 is spec?

All we really no about this new oil is it has a pour point of -60f and is GTL.
I don't know others but in the engines spec'd for 5w30 I had no problem whatsoever at -12f, no lifter noise no slow cranking, etc.
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#3243676 - 01/10/14 09:35 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Two questions come to mind. How many domestic and Asian manufacturers spec 0w30? In the US anyway is 0w30 really necessary when 5w30 is spec?

I think that's why Mobil goes out of their way to point out that it's acceptable for 5w-30 applications (not to mention pushing the fuel economy issue). Otherwise, it might not move that well.
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#3243737 - 01/10/14 10:20 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Garak]
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Check out that 5W-20 pour point. In league with Amsoil SSO

Pour point : Typical -51 °C / -60 °F

Nice!


Edited by AHC (01/10/14 10:29 AM)
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#3246296 - 01/12/14 08:14 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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I'm curious to when this will actually hit the shelves or if this product even exists. I wish there was a 0w-30 too but understand that no OEM uses that grades.
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#3246313 - 01/12/14 08:37 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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I think the 0w20 would be fine for most cars anyways....
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#3246316 - 01/12/14 08:38 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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I'm curious what the price point will be..

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#3246357 - 01/12/14 09:29 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: daves87rs]
volk06 Offline


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Originally Posted By: daves87rs
I think the 0w20 would be fine for most cars anyways....


I agree, I bet most of the cars in the next few years will be on to 0w20. GM, Honda, Kia, and other have already made the move. Its just a matter of time until Ford and Dodge go that route as well. COP alreay has a 0w20 blend, so I bet Ford will have it spec'd in the next few years.

However, I would probably not use a 0w20 in my ecoboost specing 5w30.
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#3246519 - 01/13/14 01:21 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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#3247019 - 01/13/14 01:56 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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I asked about "Pennzoil Ultra Platinum" on Pennzoil's Facebook page a few days ago. So far no comment. They are being tight lipped.
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#3247026 - 01/13/14 02:03 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Wonder why they published the MSDS then?
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#3247031 - 01/13/14 02:06 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: KCJeep]
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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Wonder why they published the MSDS then?

It wouldn't be the first time for SOPUS to publish some spec sheets in advance of any marketing activity. They have also published documents for products which were never released. Example: Pennzoil Ultra Euro 0w-40. TDS and MSDS for it were published more than a year ago. The product is nowhere to be found.
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#3247079 - 01/13/14 02:31 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: zerosoma]
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Originally Posted By: zerosoma
Pennzoil Ultimate Titanium Durability with MaxLife Super Technology 5000


That would have a great acronym, PUTD/W MST5K, or PUTDMST5K for short.
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#3247351 - 01/13/14 06:41 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Quattro Pete]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
I asked about "Pennzoil Ultra Platinum" on Pennzoil's Facebook page a few days ago. So far no comment. They are being tight lipped.

Maybe this isn't to consolidate the PP and PU lines at all to remove confusion. Maybe they're introducing an intermediate between PP and PU. wink We could be getting it now, but just don't know it. Shell doesn't like to waste old labels and bottles, either.
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#3247469 - 01/13/14 08:29 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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I sent them an email for product/technical questions asking about it. We will see if I ever get a response back.
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#3248917 - 01/15/14 08:31 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Hi everyone – We are currently working through the details of a big launch and announcement to be revealed this spring. The new offering from Pennzoil is one that will be sure to change the motor oil landscape as we know it and we hope it will excite everyone in the industry. Thanks for all the words of encouragement and support thus far. The BITOG community will be one of the first groups to know the details as we anticipate to officially launch this spring. - The Pennzoil Team

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#3248923 - 01/15/14 08:35 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: SuzanneClerkin]
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Originally Posted By: SuzanneClerkin
Hi everyone – We are currently working through the details of a big launch and announcement to be revealed this spring. The new offering from Pennzoil is one that will be sure to change the motor oil landscape as we know it and we hope it will excite everyone in the industry. Thanks for all the words of encouragement and support thus far. The BITOG community will be one of the first groups to know the details as we anticipate to officially launch this spring. - The Pennzoil Team


Thank you very much for your response Suzanne thumbsup
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#3248948 - 01/15/14 09:02 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Swift101]
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It's funny, because these just showed up on the shelf at my AAP:





Guess they are holding the retail shelf space and reducing stocks? Before this month, I had never seen either of these oils here.
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#3248961 - 01/15/14 09:19 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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So there we have it straight from the horse's mouth... the PUP is officially confirmed. smile

Can't wait to see/hear more details as they become available.
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#3249035 - 01/15/14 10:42 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: 05LGTLtd]
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Originally Posted By: 05LGTLtd
It's funny, because these just showed up on the shelf at my AAP:

Yup. AZ is also carrying it now, too.
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#3249086 - 01/15/14 11:21 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Interesting that the 0W-20 Pour point is Typical -42C / -44F
While the 5W-20 and 5W-30 are Typical -51C / -60 °F


Edited by MikeySoft (01/15/14 11:26 AM)
Edit Reason: Added 5W-20 pour point
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#3249167 - 01/15/14 12:22 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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They're probably changing the name so we would stop referring to them as PU and PP. LOL

Is the PUE showing up in AAP's and AZ's SM or SN?

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#3249170 - 01/15/14 12:24 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: bluesubie]
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Originally Posted By: bluesubie
Is the PUE showing up in AAP's and AZ's SM or SN?

The labels still say "SM" from what I've read. What's actually inside the bottle, who knows?
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#3249335 - 01/15/14 02:57 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: bluesubie]
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Originally Posted By: bluesubie
They're probably changing the name so we would stop referring to them as PU and PP. LOL

Is the PUE showing up in AAP's and AZ's SM or SN?

-Dennis






The 5w-40 was SM, but the 0w-40 was SN.
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#3249339 - 01/15/14 03:02 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Cropped version of the PUE 5w-40 back label:

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#3249436 - 01/15/14 04:45 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Trav
Two questions come to mind. How many domestic and Asian manufacturers spec 0w30? In the US anyway is 0w30 really necessary when 5w30 is spec?

I think that's why Mobil goes out of their way to point out that it's acceptable for 5w-30 applications (not to mention pushing the fuel economy issue). Otherwise, it might not move that well.


Off the top of my head Volvo is the only make I know of that specs a Resource Conserving 0w30 in their cars (ACEA A5/B5), so basically no, nobody specs it. It's great in 5w30 applications for those of us that live in cold places.

IMHO this change was overdue. Too many product lines. Maybe now I'll be able to buy SOPUS's top line product locally again.
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#3249441 - 01/15/14 04:48 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Thanks Pete and 05. I live near PQIA so maybe I'll drop by with a bottle PU 5W-40 and ask them to check the NOACK. laugh

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#3249460 - 01/15/14 05:15 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: bluesubie]
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Originally Posted By: bluesubie
I live near PQIA so maybe I'll drop by with a bottle PU 5W-40 and ask them to check the NOACK. laugh

That would be awesome. I've seen labs asking $450 to do this test.
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#3249513 - 01/15/14 06:27 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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This is good news. Hopefully, they will offer a 5W-40 or 0W-40 Euro blend locally to me, as well as a 0W-20. I would like to try both in my cars.
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#3249579 - 01/15/14 07:19 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: gpshumway]
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Originally Posted By: gpshumway
IMHO this change was overdue. Too many product lines. Maybe now I'll be able to buy SOPUS's top line product locally again.

Absolutely. Of course, the risk here is that Walmart and Canadian Tire will take it as an opportunity to raise their prices.
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#3249618 - 01/15/14 07:57 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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I would bet that the 5w30 could actually meet 0w30 specs

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#3249623 - 01/15/14 08:02 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: novadude
Does this mean that this forum will start calling the Pennzoil faithful "Puppies"?
Sweet...everyone loves puppies!
Originally Posted By: dparm
I sure hope they don't introduce another oil that is above "Ultra-Platinum". What's next...Diamond? Ultra-Ultra?
"Über-Platinum"
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#3249630 - 01/15/14 08:06 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: 05LGTLtd
It's funny, because these just showed up on the shelf at my AAP:

Yup. AZ is also carrying it now, too.


You are right Autozone was where I was seeing the PU Xw-40's; my brain got stuck there for a moment while typing.
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#3249639 - 01/15/14 08:21 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: bluesubie
I live near PQIA so maybe I'll drop by with a bottle PU 5W-40 and ask them to check the NOACK. laugh

That would be awesome. I've seen labs asking $450 to do this test.

They would probably just laugh at me. LOL

Their mailing address is just a small office building so I presume the lab is elsewhere. Unless they cram a lot of test equipment into a little office. It's down the street from a pub so maybe PU testing and a pint of Guinness!

Hmmm. Tom NJ?! grin2 Cheers2

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Edited by bluesubie (01/15/14 08:26 PM)
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#3249689 - 01/15/14 09:01 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: bluesubie]
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Originally Posted By: bluesubie
Their mailing address is just a small office building so I presume the lab is elsewhere.

I'm pretty sure PQIA doesn't own a lab. They contract with some company to do all the analysis work, but maybe Tom can confirm.
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#3249705 - 01/15/14 09:17 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Well....I guess I'm not changing my oil in mine until PUP comes out then....

I want to try this!
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#3249766 - 01/15/14 10:18 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: gpshumway
IMHO this change was overdue. Too many product lines. Maybe now I'll be able to buy SOPUS's top line product locally again.

Absolutely. Of course, the risk here is that Walmart and Canadian Tire will take it as an opportunity to raise their prices.


Always a risk, but I kind of doubt WM would price it out of line with other top-line synthetics like M1 EP and Castrol Extended. I've been wrong before of course.
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#3249818 - 01/15/14 11:06 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Woohoo.
This means my local napa is going to have to dump all the ultra they've got in stock to make room for this new flagship product.
I think I'll head down there tomorrow and ask if they can email/call me when the old ultra needs to be cleared. I'll buy it all if the price is right.

So is this new ultra the same as the old ultra or exactly what is the difference other than basically dump/combining the platinum badge.
This is definitely a game changer.
No matter what pennzoil does there will always be diehard fanboys for whatever brand out there,no matter how much data you provide,my only concern is price,which means I'm buying whatever quality syn is fantastically priced no matter the brand.
So yeah sopus is my go to producer,redline is my favorite but depending on what it costs I may be forced to buy something else.
Not that I need to worry about oil for the next few years anyways. Gives me lots of time to shop.
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#3250796 - 01/17/14 12:00 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: gpshumway]
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Originally Posted By: gpshumway
Always a risk, but I kind of doubt WM would price it out of line with other top-line synthetics like M1 EP and Castrol Extended.

They'll increase everything else at the same time, too. wink
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#3251118 - 01/17/14 11:34 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Garak]
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can someone explain in simpler terms...

does this mean- PP is going away?
Or a new 'better' oil will be out?

Im just asking- since Ive started 'looking' for PP to be on sale etc.
I currently have about 7- (5 qt) jugs of PP for my DI 3.6 Equinox.

Should I be looking for any leftover PU or PP?

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#3251129 - 01/17/14 11:44 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: rbarrios]
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Originally Posted By: rbarrios
can someone explain in simpler terms...

does this mean- PP is going away?
Or a new 'better' oil will be out?


I would assume that something is in fact going away, but don't know if it's PP or some other Pennzoil product. I hope SOPUS is not planning on keeping them all and maintaining the existing product naming, as that would result in some of the most confusing marketing ever known to man...

Pennzoil Platinum
Pennzoil Ultra
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum

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#3251214 - 01/17/14 01:11 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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My theory is PU will go away or both PU and PP will be replaced by PUP.
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#3251511 - 01/17/14 06:45 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Swift101]
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I think that is a reasonable guess, but what we see on some Autozone shelves is Pennzoil Ultra European (PUE), and Pennzoil Ultra SRT (PUS). grin

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#3251564 - 01/17/14 07:43 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Quattro Pete]
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....confusing marketing..... Amen. Not to mention that retailers (especially WalMart) will make a shelf space decision and bump something else off the shelf to make room. Like they did with NextGen.
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#3251569 - 01/17/14 07:49 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: troberts]
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I have to believe there is a higher price in the end if they can get away with it.

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#3251627 - 01/17/14 08:51 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Swift101]
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Originally Posted By: Swift101
My theory is PU will go away or both PU and PP will be replaced by PUP.



Yes.....
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#3252411 - 01/18/14 07:50 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Swift101]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Swift101
My theory is PU will go away or both PU and PP will be replaced by PUP.

If PP remains and PU is replaced by PUP, isn't that just relabeling? wink
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#3252459 - 01/18/14 08:33 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: bluesubie]
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Originally Posted By: bluesubie
Their mailing address is just a small office building so I presume the lab is elsewhere. Unless they cram a lot of test equipment into a little office. It's down the street from a pub so maybe PU testing and a pint of Guinness!

Hmmm. Tom NJ?! grin2 Cheers2

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PQIA utilizes highly reputable ISO accredited laboratories for its analyses.

Happy to meet you at the pub anytime for a beer!

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#3252549 - 01/18/14 09:59 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Originally Posted By: volk06
I was searching the shell EPC to see if I could find any new pds on PYB due to the recent PQIA results with the super low NOACK. They had new MSDS listed but no TDS for an oil called Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Motor oil. It lists GTL as the base oil as well (fisher-tropsch derived). The dates are 12/22/13 so there are less than a month old! Looks like they are combining the PP and PU line up or they are going to be putting the same product in different bottles. They have 0w20, 0w40, 5w20, 5w30, 10w30 weights. Thoughts??

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658892.PDF
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658646.PDF
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658650.PDF
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658891.PDF

I just noticed another new group of oils with the same date and no TDS, just MSDS. It's called Pennzoil Platinum Euro.
Euro 0w-40
Euro AV 5w-30
Euro L 5w-30
Euro 5w-30
Euro 5w-40



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#3252697 - 01/19/14 06:55 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Based on those MSDS they are releasing 4 different 5w30 under the Ultra/Platinum brand ???

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#3252729 - 01/19/14 07:47 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: LotI]
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Originally Posted By: LotI
I just noticed another new group of oils with the same date and no TDS, just MSDS. It's called Pennzoil Platinum Euro.
Euro 0w-40
Euro AV 5w-30
Euro L 5w-30
Euro 5w-30
Euro 5w-40




Deja vu? Before there was Ultra Euro, there used to be Platinum Euro. And now it looks like there are going back to Platinum Euro again.
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#3252900 - 01/19/14 10:25 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Good finds volk06 and Lotl. Thanks!

I just have to say all this brand vacillation by Shell is exceedingly stupid. I have no problem with their product(s), but the all the name changing confuses people and can cast doubts on the product. So, Ultra was once Pennzoil's premier oil. Now it appears that Platinum is, which was originally a "lesser" oil. To some, that might suggest there was a problem with Ultra and Shell had to pull it off the market. Maybe that seemingly impossibly low NOACK caused some disastrous side effect elsewhere?

Understand, I'm not saying that's the situation. All I know is that most people don't know squat about automotive fluids. Shell is confusing these people. No wonder Mobil 1 is the number one selling brand of synthetic oil in the US.

With all due respect, we got a post from a Shell representative. But, her comments were nothing more than marketing mumbo-jumbo. To say that "The new offering from Pennzoil is one that will be sure to change the motor oil landscape as we know it and we hope it will excite everyone in the industry."

"Change the motor oil landscape as we know it......." Right..... Unless I never have to change my oil again because it reconstitutes itself to like new condition while it sits in the crankcase at night, Shell has not changed the motor oil landscape as we know it.

IMO, all Shell has done is try to correct a brand labeling problem that they created. So they've come up with Platinum/Ultra, while at the same time incorporated GTL technology into their products in a more coherent fashion. They are not "changing the oil industry as we know it".

I'm surprised so many people here have "drunk the koolaide". IMO, there is nothing new here other than the name. But, maybe I'm wrong.

Scott
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#3253229 - 01/19/14 04:21 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: SLO_Town]
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Originally Posted By: SLO_Town
Good finds volk06 and Lotl. Thanks!

I just have to say all this brand vacillation by Shell is exceedingly stupid. I have no problem with their product(s), but the all the name changing confuses people and can cast doubts on the product. So, Ultra was once Pennzoil's premier oil. Now it appears that Platinum is, which was originally a "lesser" oil. To some, that might suggest there was a problem with Ultra and Shell had to pull it off the market. Maybe that seemingly impossibly low NOACK caused some disastrous side effect elsewhere?

Understand, I'm not saying that's the situation. All I know is that most people don't know squat about automotive fluids. Shell is confusing these people. No wonder Mobil 1 is the number one selling brand of synthetic oil in the US.

With all due respect, we got a post from a Shell representative. But, her comments were nothing more than marketing mumbo-jumbo. To say that "The new offering from Pennzoil is one that will be sure to change the motor oil landscape as we know it and we hope it will excite everyone in the industry."

"Change the motor oil landscape as we know it......." Right..... Unless I never have to change my oil again because it reconstitutes itself to like new condition while it sits in the crankcase at night, Shell has not changed the motor oil landscape as we know it.

IMO, all Shell has done is try to correct a brand labeling problem that they created. So they've come up with Platinum/Ultra, while at the same time incorporated GTL technology into their products in a more coherent fashion. They are not "changing the oil industry as we know it".

I'm surprised so many people here have "drunk the koolaide". IMO, there is nothing new here other than the name. But, maybe I'm wrong.

Scott


Bingo! PP an PU are probably the same product as of right now. Can't prove it but we all know shell doesn't like to waste packaging and labeling. Youre right, not much is changing. Just a new name and renaming of the same oils but with some GTL base stocks. I'll be curious what the additive packages look like, if they even changed those.
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#3253576 - 01/19/14 11:32 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Originally Posted By: volk06
Bingo! PP an PU are probably the same product as of right now. Can't prove it but we all know shell doesn't like to waste packaging and labeling. Youre right, not much is changing.

I wager we won't see the new labels until at least a year after the official announcement. Oddly enough, and probably coincidentally, Walmart dropped the price of QSUD and PP (though I'm not sure since they have two different shelf tags), along with M1 on a semi-permanent basis, by about $10 a jug, which is a big deal here. We do have the new label QSUD already, but perhaps they want to push through some PP.

Walmarts here just don't devote the shelf space to oil to satisfy our wants. Castrol monopolizes the heck out of shelf space up here.
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#3253671 - 01/20/14 06:10 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: SLO_Town]
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Originally Posted By: SLO_Town
Change the motor oil landscape as we know it......." Right..... Unless I never have to change my oil again because it reconstitutes itself to like new condition while it sits in the crankcase at night, Shell has not changed the motor oil landscape as we know it.


The fact the are making a full synthetic oil using was was until a few years ago a waste product burned of at the refineries makes me believe they already did this a couple of years ago.
Its just getting people to understand they not have the superior product but a more environmentally friendly derived one as well.
IMHO the company has done a phenomenal job with their product now its marketings turn to carry the water.

One of the very few true synthetic oil under $10 a quart. Call me a Koolaide drinker if you want, it taste great.

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Highly refined mineral oils and additives.
The highly refined mineral oil contains <3% (w/w) DMSO-extract, according to IP346.
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#3253682 - 01/20/14 06:58 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Garak]
Clevy Offline


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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: volk06
Bingo! PP an PU are probably the same product as of right now. Can't prove it but we all know shell doesn't like to waste packaging and labeling. Youre right, not much is changing.

I wager we won't see the new labels until at least a year after the official announcement. Oddly enough, and probably coincidentally, Walmart dropped the price of QSUD and PP (though I'm not sure since they have two different shelf tags), along with M1 on a semi-permanent basis, by about $10 a jug, which is a big deal here. We do have the new label QSUD already, but perhaps they want to push through some PP.

Walmarts here just don't devote the shelf space to oil to satisfy our wants. Castrol monopolizes the heck out of shelf space up here.


I saw that yesterday. 10 bucks a jug less. I've seen the new Quaker state package starting around a month ago,I haven't noticed if pp changed though.
If these are their new everyday prices I wonder if when the have a rollback if the sale price will be less too.
Not like I need to buy more oil anyways.
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#3253690 - 01/20/14 07:10 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Clevy]
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I won't count on the sale price being less than before, but those new prices are basically tolerable. That puts their regular price (if it remains such) a hair above Canadian Tire's sale prices. But, then the same Walmart has a giant stack of PYB for $26 a jug clogging up the center aisle. Brilliant.
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#3253824 - 01/20/14 09:44 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Trav]
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If marketing can tell the story well enough, then SOPUS has an oil that should do very well.
GTL Grp III basestocks really do represent a change in the motor oil landscape since they offer some very desirable properties at a very resonable cost.
These must be fairly cheap basestocks since they seem to be showing up in the most unlikely products.
This has the potential to render Grp IV basestocks as we've known them obsolete and will leave others scrambling to build their own GTL facilities in lands where natural gas is plentiful and local demand is only a little more than zero.
It'd be interesting to see PQIA style VOAs of current Defy and QSUD oils given the results seen with QSGB and PYB.
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#3253842 - 01/20/14 10:07 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
...will leave others scrambling to build their own GTL facilities in lands where natural gas is plentiful...


Yeah, like the USA, right? Usher in an era of high-quality motor oils for all, at affordable prices. All it'll take is to shove aside a few troublesome government regulations.
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#3253945 - 01/20/14 12:13 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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If SOPUS stops selling Ultra I will certainly switch brands. I called SOPUS on several occasions including e-mails and was assured that Ultra was here to stay. If a company lacks veracity I will no longer use their product.

Many of my friends and family use SOPUS based on my recommendations. Disappointed in SOPUS. I will wait..........

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#3254097 - 01/20/14 02:11 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Tom NJ]
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Registered: 05/31/11
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Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: bluesubie
Their mailing address is just a small office building so I presume the lab is elsewhere. Unless they cram a lot of test equipment into a little office. It's down the street from a pub so maybe PU testing and a pint of Guinness!

Hmmm. Tom NJ?! grin2 Cheers2

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PQIA utilizes highly reputable ISO accredited laboratories for its analyses.

Happy to meet you at the pub anytime for a beer!

Tom NJ


ISO does not accredit laboratories, they provide standards.

Laboratories are certified by various organizations depending upon the analyses they run. The certifications are renewed on an annual basis.
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#3254114 - 01/20/14 02:24 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: SLO_Town
Good finds volk06 and Lotl. Thanks!

I just have to say all this brand vacillation by Shell is exceedingly stupid. ...[/b]

Scott


Bingo! PP an PU are probably the same product as of right now. Can't prove it but we all know shell doesn't like to waste packaging and labeling. Youre right, not much is changing. Just a new name and renaming of the same oils but with some GTL base stocks. I'll be curious what the additive packages look like, if they even changed those.


There is always way less packaging than base stocks on hand at the blender. The blender just blends and packages whatever the customer wants/specs in customer packaging. Many oils use the exact same base. It's not like PU and PP definately have different bases or are different bases from a multitude of other oils.
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#3254199 - 01/20/14 03:42 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Jeff_in_VABch]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff_in_VABch


ISO does not accredit laboratories, they provide standards.

Laboratories are certified by various organizations depending upon the analyses they run. The certifications are renewed on an annual basis.


That is correct (I managed Quality and R&D labs). I use the term "ISO accredited lab" to refer to a lab that has been certified to ISO standards.

Tom NJ

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#3254209 - 01/20/14 04:03 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Tom NJ]
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Registered: 05/31/11
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Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: Jeff_in_VABch


ISO does not accredit laboratories, they provide standards.

Laboratories are certified by various organizations depending upon the analyses they run. The certifications are renewed on an annual basis.


That is correct (I managed Quality and R&D labs). I use the term "ISO accredited lab" to refer to a lab that has been certified to ISO standards.

Tom NJ


Sounds good. Glad we got some lab guys in here!

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#3254226 - 01/20/14 04:23 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Jeff_in_VABch]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff_in_VABch


Sounds good. Glad we got some lab guys in here!


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#3254301 - 01/20/14 06:11 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Originally Posted By: volk06
I was searching the shell EPC to see if I could find any new pds on PYB due to the recent PQIA results with the super low NOACK. They had new MSDS listed but no TDS for an oil called Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Motor oil. It lists GTL as the base oil as well (fisher-tropsch derived). The dates are 12/22/13 so there are less than a month old! Looks like they are combining the PP and PU line up or they are going to be putting the same product in different bottles. They have 0w20, 0w40, 5w20, 5w30, 10w30 weights. Thoughts??

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658892.PDF
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658646.PDF
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658650.PDF
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00658891.PDF

I'm more inclined to think that Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is the new name for Pennzoil Ultra (synthetic GTL base oil) and the Pennzoil Platinum (synthetic-hydrocarbon Group III base oil) will remain as usual. If they discontinue the Pennzoil Platinum line, it'll certainly be surprising. I would surely like to see GTL replacing Group III in their mainstream synthetic oil though if that actually happens.
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#3254335 - 01/20/14 06:50 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: Gokhan]
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Since GTL appears to have replaced Grp II in QSGB and PYB, I'd say that it's already replaced Korean Grp III in PP, QSUD and maybe Defy.
We don't have current PQIA quality VOAs for anything other than QSGB and PYB, so I'm only speculating.
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#3254607 - 01/20/14 11:45 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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Loc: Vancouver, Canada
I think it's really a lot simpler than all of the comments so far:

Pennzoil Platinum - exists
Pennzoil Ultra - exists
Pennzoil Platinum Ultra - exists (5w-30 automotive diesel oil)
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum - how could we have missed that one! Call the label printers, quick!

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#3254645 - 01/21/14 01:13 AM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: fdcg27]
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Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Since GTL appears to have replaced Grp II in QSGB and PYB, I'd say that it's already replaced Korean Grp III in PP, QSUD and maybe Defy.
We don't have current PQIA quality VOAs for anything other than QSGB and PYB, so I'm only speculating.


Need some more VOAs...pronto!
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#3266269 - 01/31/14 08:01 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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I'd like to see PUP in 0W20 [which they'll probably have] and 0W30 [which I have my doubts]. Time will tell.
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#3266340 - 01/31/14 09:47 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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I just have to say all this brand vacillation by Shell is exceedingly stupid. I have no problem with their product(s), but the all the name changing confuses people and can cast doubts on the product.


Yea probably in the short term. Many of us saw this happening when they released PU. Without any data, it's speculation as to how much they are really moving the product. By Walmart indication, they are not moving much. PP had a good, growing reputation.

Shell/Pennzoil is an excellent formulator/blender. Since Platinum, their oils have really been among the best.

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#3266359 - 01/31/14 10:01 PM Re: PP & PU being combined into a new oil.... PUP [Re: volk06]
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This is definitely an exciting time I the world of motor oil. I gotta go look for some sales on PU.
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