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#3229255 - 12/27/13 04:05 PM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: antiqueshell]
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Why can't people be responsible for their own actions and buy a $500 set of snow tires every 4 years?

Instead, people that "can't afford" to buy snow tires every few years need to buy a completely different vehicle because they rust in half.

If people would just run decent tires in the winter, they wouldn't have to salt so much. I wouldn't have to worry about a 14 year old vehicle rusting into oblivion and my taxes would be lower from not having to pay for steep maintenance to bridges.
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#3229266 - 12/27/13 04:30 PM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 11/09/08
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Where is the problem? That looks pretty clean to me.

I don't think I've managed more than three years on a set of snows. And those were not $500 ones! Next time I buy a set tho I may well try a cheapo set, they can't be any worse. Then again, what with "needing" then for upwards of five months out of the year...
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#3229335 - 12/27/13 06:08 PM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: eljefino]
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
Good news is if you want to do any aero mods the salt spray pattern will show you how successful you were....


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#3229532 - 12/27/13 09:05 PM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 12/14/02
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
Why can't people be responsible for their own actions and buy a $500 set of snow tires every 4 years?

Instead, people that "can't afford" to buy snow tires every few years need to buy a completely different vehicle because they rust in half.

If people would just run decent tires in the winter, they wouldn't have to salt so much. I wouldn't have to worry about a 14 year old vehicle rusting into oblivion and my taxes would be lower from not having to pay for steep maintenance to bridges.


+1. Driving is a privilege, and if folks can't afford the tires/stowage, not anyone elses' problem.

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#3229565 - 12/27/13 09:43 PM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 04/08/06
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Loc: Birmingham, AL
I'll put up with that once or twice a year, that's it. This would really be an issue for me living up north. After seeing my perfectly running Explorer crumble from rust (PA import to the south), that's really my biggest issue with a vehicle. You can throw a new engine or trans in, but rot is terminal.
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#3229582 - 12/27/13 10:05 PM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 03/02/12
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Loc: chicago, Illinois
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Why can't people be responsible for their own actions and buy a $500 set of snow tires every 4 years?

Instead, people that "can't afford" to buy snow tires every few years need to buy a completely different vehicle because they rust in half.

If people would just run decent tires in the winter, they wouldn't have to salt so much. I wouldn't have to worry about a 14 year old vehicle rusting into oblivion and my taxes would be lower from not having to pay for steep maintenance to bridges.


I wish miller88! Totally agreed.

Personal Responsibility is still widely practiced in Northern Europe. No longer (not since the 60s) has it been true in the USA.


That is a BIG problem in the USA. If we were in Germany/Austria/Sweden/Norway/Denmark/Netherlands ect that is exactly what you would see. Folks equipping their vehicles both inexpensive and expensive with proper tires for the season. Because in many of those nations failure to be prepared and a resulting accident could result in serious fines and or suspension of your license!


Edited by antiqueshell (12/27/13 10:06 PM)

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#3229588 - 12/27/13 10:14 PM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Toronto, Canada
This is how my Mazda looks like most of the winter.



And this is how it looks like after a wash. Don't worry about the salt on the paint (unless you want it in showroom condition, in which case you wouldn't be driving the car in winter in the first place) it's the undercarriage and stuff you don't see that take the beating and should be rust proofed.


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#3229605 - 12/27/13 10:30 PM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Mods should move this thread to the detailing section. It might give The Critic a stroke. wink
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#3229717 - 12/28/13 06:00 AM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 02/02/12
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I couldn't wash my Dakota lately...just been too %^&*(&^$ cold!

I HATE winter.
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#3229760 - 12/28/13 07:11 AM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 09/10/05
Posts: 1407
Loc: PA
Hopefully you had had a quality sealant on the paint and did some rust proofing on the frame and suspension and wheel well before winter.

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#3229773 - 12/28/13 07:30 AM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 6704
Loc: Midwest
The amount of salt on the roads is too [censored] high!
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#3229821 - 12/28/13 08:15 AM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 1724
Loc: Glen Ellyn, IL
My favorite season is winter. I love snow, so I put up with the other issues that come along with it. That said however, Illinois does use an awfully large amount of salt for the comparativly little snow we get (the news media however treats each half-inch snowfall like its a blizzard, but that's a topic for another thread).

I was out all day yesterday in some rural areas in northwestern Illinois. They used sand instead of salt. The roads were kind of half-slush, half ice. At one point my wheelwells were packed with a sand-ice mix! And then when I stopped, I left sandy hunks everywhere. I should try and get a pic today.

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#3229831 - 12/28/13 08:24 AM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 1724
Loc: Glen Ellyn, IL
By the way, when I lived in Peoria they used cinders on the roads. I suspect they were free, a by-product of the power plants in the area. I don't know if they still use them.

Unlike salt, the cinders were not water-soluable, and remained on the shoulder of the road and along the curb for months. I was an avid bike rider, and was constantly having to fix flats caused by the razor-sharp cinders. Just can't win!

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#3229996 - 12/28/13 11:53 AM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 12/10/06
Posts: 517
Loc: The IL
Pushing 50 degrees in the IL today. I washed the Sonata in the driveway. Then some interior cleaning and the garage floor got a washing to rid itself of the piles of salt that fell off the car over the last month. By Monday morning we'll be back below zero.

I try to keep the washing up to 5-6 day schedule, but sometimes it's just too cold to do so.

Most of the time the salt depth > snow depth.

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#3230014 - 12/28/13 12:20 PM Re: This is why we can't have nice things ... [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 01/26/12
Posts: 1073
Loc: Pa
Man, I get more salt on my car than that just driving up my driveway.

Seriously, I feel for you and hate the stuff myself. Pa does very little to the roads where we live until after the storm is over but then they pour the chemicals on. Maryland, on the other had, shares their chemicals seemingly days before a storm.

We commute 150 miles per day so we carry our share of snow-melting concoctions home with us. I spend a furtune on touchless wash-o-mats!


Edited by Fleetmon (12/28/13 12:20 PM)
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