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Incidentally, they were also getting rid of 5w20 Edge w/ti (gold) for $3 a qt. I bought as much as I could of it too for the Hyundai. I doubt it is being discontinued though.
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The END of German Castrol?
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Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
So this means that the formula and specifications are the same, but the oil is simply produced at a different location?
Yes, Castrol 0w-30 that meets the fairly tough European car specs, is made in Belgium now it APPEARS from Amazon reviews.
However, we do not know if any specs have changed like if you ran a UOA. I'm sure there are slight changes, perhaps update to a newer rating?
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
So this means that the formula and specifications are the same, but the oil is simply produced at a different location?
Yes, Castrol 0w-30 that meets the fairly tough European car specs, is made in Belgium now it APPEARS from Amazon reviews.
However, we do not know if any specs have changed like if you ran a UOA. I'm sure there are slight changes, perhaps update to a newer rating?
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
German Castrol stopped being German Castrol long ago. It hasn't been the "magical formula" for a very long time. I don't know why people here are still so obsessed with it. Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
German Castrol stopped being German Castrol long ago. It hasn't been the "magical formula" for a very long time. I don't know why people here are still so obsessed with it. Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
When it stopped being green (the holy green), most people went bonkers.
I didn't think much of the change of color, and by the time I got my 330Ci, GC was already gold. I still used it when I could find it on sale, and it's also the current fill, and the last of my BOGO (AAP) stash. Feels/runs fine to me.
I didn't think much of the change of color, and by the time I got my 330Ci, GC was already gold. I still used it when I could find it on sale, and it's also the current fill, and the last of my BOGO (AAP) stash. Feels/runs fine to me.
Originally Posted By: dparm
Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
dparm,
I have to take issue with your comment. What is now called GC may be weak in operation but, based on your comment, I tried some on printer paper, and it held up very well. So you cannot say it is mediocre on paper.
Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
dparm,
I have to take issue with your comment. What is now called GC may be weak in operation but, based on your comment, I tried some on printer paper, and it held up very well. So you cannot say it is mediocre on paper.
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. Much ado about nothing it seems
I disagree. First, as a long time BITOG'er, I can say we pride ourselves on sticking to IMPURE myth. Second, we ALWAYS make much ado about SOMETHING...for sure.
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. Much ado about nothing it seems
I disagree. First, as a long time BITOG'er, I can say we pride ourselves on sticking to IMPURE myth. Second, we ALWAYS make much ado about SOMETHING...for sure.
Originally Posted By: pscholte
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. Much ado about nothing it seems
I disagree. First, as a long time BITOG'er, I can say we pride ourselves on sticking to IMPURE myth. Second, we ALWAYS make much ado about SOMETHING...for sure.
It is same formula like for EU market, it works.
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. Much ado about nothing it seems
I disagree. First, as a long time BITOG'er, I can say we pride ourselves on sticking to IMPURE myth. Second, we ALWAYS make much ado about SOMETHING...for sure.
It is same formula like for EU market, it works.
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
German Castrol stopped being German Castrol long ago. It hasn't been the "magical formula" for a very long time. I don't know why people here are still so obsessed with it. Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
It's not rubbish that the formulation changed from Green to Gold GC. The proof is in many UOAs posted in the UOA forum.
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
German Castrol stopped being German Castrol long ago. It hasn't been the "magical formula" for a very long time. I don't know why people here are still so obsessed with it. Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
It's not rubbish that the formulation changed from Green to Gold GC. The proof is in many UOAs posted in the UOA forum.
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
German Castrol stopped being German Castrol long ago. It hasn't been the "magical formula" for a very long time. I don't know why people here are still so obsessed with it. Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
Dude, it hasn't been the green stuff for a LONG time. You need to go do a bit of reading in the UOA/VOA sections, and look at the posts we've had here that prove it is a different oil and went through a reformulation years ago.
[censored], go buy a bottle at the store and open it -- it will be immediately obvious that it is different.
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
German Castrol stopped being German Castrol long ago. It hasn't been the "magical formula" for a very long time. I don't know why people here are still so obsessed with it. Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
Dude, it hasn't been the green stuff for a LONG time. You need to go do a bit of reading in the UOA/VOA sections, and look at the posts we've had here that prove it is a different oil and went through a reformulation years ago.
[censored], go buy a bottle at the store and open it -- it will be immediately obvious that it is different.
Originally Posted By: JAG
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
German Castrol stopped being German Castrol long ago. It hasn't been the "magical formula" for a very long time. I don't know why people here are still so obsessed with it. Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
It's not rubbish that the formulation changed from Green to Gold GC. The proof is in many UOAs posted in the UOA forum.
Anything specific changed in the analysis beyond tolerance?
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
They are not discontinuing 0w-30. It's the end of "German Castrol," because the 0w-30 is now coming from Belgium just like 0w40. They are going to continue both for now, but "German Castrol," seems to be history.
German Castrol stopped being German Castrol long ago. It hasn't been the "magical formula" for a very long time. I don't know why people here are still so obsessed with it. Very mediocre oil on paper and in operation.
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
It's not rubbish that the formulation changed from Green to Gold GC. The proof is in many UOAs posted in the UOA forum.
Anything specific changed in the analysis beyond tolerance?
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Originally Posted By: JAG
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
It's not rubbish that the formulation changed from Green to Gold GC. The proof is in many UOAs posted in the UOA forum.
Anything specific changed in the analysis beyond tolerance?
Certainly. I wouldn't bring the matter up if it was only a matter of minute differences. The most obvious difference is a change from mostly calcium detergents to a mix of magnesium and calcium, with the former being the majority. Of course UOAs don't reveal differences in non-metallic additives and base oils, so I can't say whether any changes were made to them.
Originally Posted By: JAG
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
It's not rubbish that the formulation changed from Green to Gold GC. The proof is in many UOAs posted in the UOA forum.
Anything specific changed in the analysis beyond tolerance?
Certainly. I wouldn't bring the matter up if it was only a matter of minute differences. The most obvious difference is a change from mostly calcium detergents to a mix of magnesium and calcium, with the former being the majority. Of course UOAs don't reveal differences in non-metallic additives and base oils, so I can't say whether any changes were made to them.
So all those differences between Green and Gold GCs were seen on *U*OAs? Same cars and same conditions?
Were there ever any *V*OAs done on a Gold sample?
Wouldn't VOAs show the differences a lot better and more objectively? One would think if the change was such a big issue here, then people concerned were sure to have done a *V*OA or two...
So, in other words, do we have any VOAs for green and gold?
Were there ever any *V*OAs done on a Gold sample?
Wouldn't VOAs show the differences a lot better and more objectively? One would think if the change was such a big issue here, then people concerned were sure to have done a *V*OA or two...
So, in other words, do we have any VOAs for green and gold?
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Hi,
JAG - You are correct "GC" changed many times!
I was an original user in 1995 and after it was introduced here as Castrol Formula SLX 0W-30 in 1996. Then it was API SH/CF and Energy Conserving 2 rated and had ACEA's A3/B3 96 ratings.
It was Approved for BMW, Rover and Porsche and for VW 500 and %0% (issue 11/92)
Its public specification was;
KV @ 100C = 11.6
KV @ 40C = 65
CCS@ -30C = 3150
HTHS = 3.5
PP = -%&C
TBN 8
This was ester based, had been raced tested - and extensively Field Tested (I know)
This version was withdrawn from sale after about 12 months - I has an engine failure due to the lubricant (seized oil pump drive) and a number of MB Dealers had experienced similar problems of excessive varnish and "gumming"
12 months later the SL version was released with a slightly different name and it was not heavily ester based
I have had extensive experience with Castrol ester based lubricants in racing engines during the 1950s and assisted in developing what is now known as TWS. It its first formulation during the 1970s it was introduced as Castrol Formula R Synthetic 15W-50 - it was and still is a great product (like their gear lubricants and ATF)
Why was the original GC a failure? - I suspect it had to do with inconsistencies in formulation, quality control issues and the likes
JAG - You are correct "GC" changed many times!
I was an original user in 1995 and after it was introduced here as Castrol Formula SLX 0W-30 in 1996. Then it was API SH/CF and Energy Conserving 2 rated and had ACEA's A3/B3 96 ratings.
It was Approved for BMW, Rover and Porsche and for VW 500 and %0% (issue 11/92)
Its public specification was;
KV @ 100C = 11.6
KV @ 40C = 65
CCS@ -30C = 3150
HTHS = 3.5
PP = -%&C
TBN 8
This was ester based, had been raced tested - and extensively Field Tested (I know)
This version was withdrawn from sale after about 12 months - I has an engine failure due to the lubricant (seized oil pump drive) and a number of MB Dealers had experienced similar problems of excessive varnish and "gumming"
12 months later the SL version was released with a slightly different name and it was not heavily ester based
I have had extensive experience with Castrol ester based lubricants in racing engines during the 1950s and assisted in developing what is now known as TWS. It its first formulation during the 1970s it was introduced as Castrol Formula R Synthetic 15W-50 - it was and still is a great product (like their gear lubricants and ATF)
Why was the original GC a failure? - I suspect it had to do with inconsistencies in formulation, quality control issues and the likes
It can't be the end of German Castrol, one of their largest manufacturing sites is in Germany.
Originally Posted By: Olas
It can't be the end of German Castrol, one of their largest manufacturing sites is in Germany.
Yep, I'm sure you have plenty of German made Castrol in the UK. However, this was the only one in the U.S.
It's true that the product isn't really going away, so it doesn't mean anything.
I find it only worth mentioning because GC (German Castrol) got its name because it was Made in Germany. The reason for its name will now be history. However, I personally hope people will still call it GC.
It can't be the end of German Castrol, one of their largest manufacturing sites is in Germany.
Yep, I'm sure you have plenty of German made Castrol in the UK. However, this was the only one in the U.S.
It's true that the product isn't really going away, so it doesn't mean anything.
I find it only worth mentioning because GC (German Castrol) got its name because it was Made in Germany. The reason for its name will now be history. However, I personally hope people will still call it GC.
AFAIK, You only refer to 0w30 Syntec as 'German Castrol'. All the other Castrol products made in Germany you refer to by the name on the Bottle. So in fact, you still have lots of German Castrol on the shelves in most Car Parts stores in the US.
Production of 0w30 Syntec moved to Belgium recently,still made to the same formula as your 'German Castrol' even though it's now 'Belgian Castrol'...
Production of 0w30 Syntec moved to Belgium recently,still made to the same formula as your 'German Castrol' even though it's now 'Belgian Castrol'...
Originally Posted By: JAG
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Originally Posted By: JAG
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
It's not rubbish that the formulation changed from Green to Gold GC. The proof is in many UOAs posted in the UOA forum.
Anything specific changed in the analysis beyond tolerance?
Certainly. I wouldn't bring the matter up if it was only a matter of minute differences. The most obvious difference is a change from mostly calcium detergents to a mix of magnesium and calcium, with the former being the majority. Of course UOAs don't reveal differences in non-metallic additives and base oils, so I can't say whether any changes were made to them.
UOA also don't take into account any carry over from the previous oil.
The formulation hasn't changed for 10years
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Originally Posted By: JAG
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
This is exactly the sort of rubbish on bitog that is pure myth. The 'holy' GC is the same formulation today as it was 10 years ago.
Also how is it even worth mentioning if the formulation is the sand but moving from Germany to Belgium. It will adhere to the same manufacturing and QC requirements at both.
Much ado about nothing it seems
It's not rubbish that the formulation changed from Green to Gold GC. The proof is in many UOAs posted in the UOA forum.
Anything specific changed in the analysis beyond tolerance?
Certainly. I wouldn't bring the matter up if it was only a matter of minute differences. The most obvious difference is a change from mostly calcium detergents to a mix of magnesium and calcium, with the former being the majority. Of course UOAs don't reveal differences in non-metallic additives and base oils, so I can't say whether any changes were made to them.
UOA also don't take into account any carry over from the previous oil.
The formulation hasn't changed for 10years
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Why does Castrol US even continue on with both grades? Doesn't the new(er) 0w-40 now meet all the specs that the 0w-30 meets and more?
Try three grades, at least up here. The GC, 0w-40, and the 5w-40 on our shelves all meet the same specifications (with the API specs the only differences on a cursory check). Oddly enough, the new 0w-40 is about a buck a litre more than the GC or the 5w-40.
Why does Castrol US even continue on with both grades? Doesn't the new(er) 0w-40 now meet all the specs that the 0w-30 meets and more?
Try three grades, at least up here. The GC, 0w-40, and the 5w-40 on our shelves all meet the same specifications (with the API specs the only differences on a cursory check). Oddly enough, the new 0w-40 is about a buck a litre more than the GC or the 5w-40.
Originally Posted By: pscholte
I have to take issue with your comment. What is now called GC may be weak in operation but, based on your comment, I tried some on printer paper, and it held up very well. So you cannot say it is mediocre on paper.
The naysayers had better hope the elves didn't speak to their brethren at Santa's workshop and report the lack of faith.
Some may have gotten coal in their stockings.
I have to take issue with your comment. What is now called GC may be weak in operation but, based on your comment, I tried some on printer paper, and it held up very well. So you cannot say it is mediocre on paper.
The naysayers had better hope the elves didn't speak to their brethren at Santa's workshop and report the lack of faith.
Originally Posted By: Olas
AFAIK, You only refer to 0w30 Syntec as 'German Castrol'. All the other Castrol products made in Germany you refer to by the name on the Bottle. So in fact, you still have lots of German Castrol on the shelves in most Car Parts stores in the US.
Production of 0w30 Syntec moved to Belgium recently,still made to the same formula as your 'German Castrol' even though it's now 'Belgian Castrol'...
Actually in the US a majority of Castrol products are made US from "foreign and domestic sources". In addition Castrol/BP does not formulate any Gr4/5 in the US (per Castrol).
AFAIK, You only refer to 0w30 Syntec as 'German Castrol'. All the other Castrol products made in Germany you refer to by the name on the Bottle. So in fact, you still have lots of German Castrol on the shelves in most Car Parts stores in the US.
Production of 0w30 Syntec moved to Belgium recently,still made to the same formula as your 'German Castrol' even though it's now 'Belgian Castrol'...
Actually in the US a majority of Castrol products are made US from "foreign and domestic sources". In addition Castrol/BP does not formulate any Gr4/5 in the US (per Castrol).
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