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#3228142 - 12/26/13 10:06 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: volk06]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
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Loc: Cajun Country, La.
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I see that VML and QS Defy are synthetic blend HM oils. Are all HM oils, that are not synthetic HM oils, synthetic blend?


When looking at the msds for Defy, it looks like it is actually a full synthetic but not labels as one...

http://www.quakerstate.com/#/motor-oil/defy
That information must be a misprint. If not, it's a darn good deal for synthetic HM oil.
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#3228285 - 12/26/13 12:46 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
volk06 Offline


Registered: 10/04/10
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I see that VML and QS Defy are synthetic blend HM oils. Are all HM oils, that are not synthetic HM oils, synthetic blend?


When looking at the msds for Defy, it looks like it is actually a full synthetic but not labels as one...

http://www.quakerstate.com/#/motor-oil/defy
That information must be a misprint. If not, it's a darn good deal for synthetic HM oil.


Heres a link to the msds, it just says synthetic base oil with the highly refined mineral oil present as additive diluent. My guess is its labeled as a blend but is mostly full synthetic. Just like how most dinos are a synblend.

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00353682.PDF
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#3228310 - 12/26/13 01:19 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Registered: 12/24/13
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Loc: Illinois, USA
I recently put some VML 10w-40 synthetic blend in my dads '99 Ford Escort. In general that car's engine is just noisy because it's a 4 banger, but to me, the VML did quiet it down, and made it easier to start in the winter.
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#3228409 - 12/26/13 03:21 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: Triton_330]
volk06 Offline


Registered: 10/04/10
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Originally Posted By: Triton_330
I recently put some VML 10w-40 synthetic blend in my dads '99 Ford Escort. In general that car's engine is just noisy because it's a 4 banger, but to me, the VML did quiet it down, and made it easier to start in the winter.


I see you have some kendall, how are you liking it? I've been running the full synthetic kendall in my F150.
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#3228416 - 12/26/13 03:28 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Registered: 10/25/13
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Loc: Florida
The 360 in my Dodge seems to run smooth and quiet with VML 10W-30 in it. It sounds a whole lot better since I put a flowmaster 44 muffler on it.


Edited by abdodge1500 (12/26/13 03:31 PM)
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#3228444 - 12/26/13 04:03 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: volk06]
Triton_330 Offline


Registered: 12/24/13
Posts: 294
Loc: Illinois, USA
Originally Posted By: volk06
I see you have some kendall, how are you liking it? I've been running the full synthetic kendall in my F150.


I like it quite a bit. I'm using the semi-syn blend. It seems to start easier in the winter than it has before - I used to just run PYB all year, but the cold harsh winters has been enough for me to learn better than to make my truck suffer rough cold starts. Last winter when it was running PYB and temps were below zero (*F), when I went to start it, it would shutter at 500 rpm's for a few seconds before revving up to its normal rpm range. But now, with the Kendall semi-synthetic in it, cold starts are no longer a problem.
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#3244157 - 01/10/14 05:19 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Registered: 02/28/03
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The job my son is working on is 61.7 miles one way. The last time he added a qt. of VML he had driven about 1150 miles. After putting almost 1230 miles in the last 2 weeks he had to add another qt. of VML. Some might say that's a lot of oil in such a short period of time, and at that mileage. But, the VML is working, and better than the ST HM oil. He was having to add a qt. of ST HM every 1K miles. And, with conventional oil, a qt. about every 800-900 miles.
I will say that VML is doing its job, and works! thumbsup
BTW, his company has him starting at a new job next week. It's only 22 miles one way. smile
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#3246492 - 01/13/14 12:34 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
Triton_330 Offline


Registered: 12/24/13
Posts: 294
Loc: Illinois, USA
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
The job my son is working on is 61.7 miles one way. The last time he added a qt. of VML he had driven about 1150 miles. After putting almost 1230 miles in the last 2 weeks he had to add another qt. of VML. Some might say that's a lot of oil in such a short period of time, and at that mileage. But, the VML is working, and better than the ST HM oil. He was having to add a qt. of ST HM every 1K miles. And, with conventional oil, a qt. about every 800-900 miles.
I will say that VML is doing its job, and works! thumbsup
BTW, his company has him starting at a new job next week. It's only 22 miles one way. smile


To be honest, IMO, I think that the reason older vehicles burn so much oil (when using High Mileage oil) is that, because [generally speaking] additives are the first thing to be burnt off, and high mileage oils use more (yes, of a specific type of the many types) of additives, and so the makeup of the container may have less base stock in comparison to its oil/additive ratio. I may be wrong, as it is just a hunch. And if you prove me otherwise, I would totally admit to being wrong if I understood why. Anyways, to get to the point, I'd stay away from Valvoline's conventional Max Life. Go for the Semi-Syn Max Life.

I am not a basher of any brand, and I normally just go for the best deal, but (just because) I thought you might like to know that you can get oil for great prices on Amazon, plus the filter (and normally it's all free shipping [at least in the USA].

Just 'cuz, here are a few links for you to check out if you would like:

Mag1 5w-30 full syn 30 bucks 6 qts
Mag1 full syn euro 5w-40 for 37 bucks 6 qts
Rotella 5w-40 full syn gallon for 21 bucks
Valvoline semi-syn 10w40 for 27 bucks 5 qt jug

Of course, there's more good deals on Amazon, Walmart, and sometimes Oreilly's (I just got 5 qts of castrol syn blend plus a wix filter for 27 bucks).

There's always good deals for oil out there, but my advice for the oil burning problem is to add some Rislone: Rislone with zddp super concentrate for 7 bucks.

Best Regards, and I hope you can get something to help that oil burning problem grin
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#3246498 - 01/13/14 12:40 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 2244
Loc: south dakota, usa
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: GutsyGecko
I was just referring to the possibility that the VML might be slightly thicker at temp than the ST oil. Sometimes a slightly thicker oil will lessen the noise. But if the change from 5w-30 didn't lessen the noise, it's gotta be something in the add pack. Likely Boron.

GG, you're the 2nd one to state that. I have also read a lot about VML. People that have used it think it was Heaven sent by Unicorns. And, I state that in a positive way.


Valvoline and it's counterparts are pretty much all I'll use anymore. Exception is Mobil 1 and pennzoil, but the V is my número uno. For these reasons.
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#3246532 - 01/13/14 03:02 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: Triton_330]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 3554
Loc: Cajun Country, La.
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
The job my son is working on is 61.7 miles one way. The last time he added a qt. of VML he had driven about 1150 miles. After putting almost 1230 miles in the last 2 weeks he had to add another qt. of VML. Some might say that's a lot of oil in such a short period of time, and at that mileage. But, the VML is working, and better than the ST HM oil. He was having to add a qt. of ST HM every 1K miles. And, with conventional oil, a qt. about every 800-900 miles.
I will say that VML is doing its job, and works! thumbsup
BTW, his company has him starting at a new job next week. It's only 22 miles one way. smile


To be honest, IMO, I think that the reason older vehicles burn so much oil (when using High Mileage oil) is that, because [generally speaking] additives are the first thing to be burnt off, and high mileage oils use more (yes, of a specific type of the many types) of additives, and so the makeup of the container may have less base stock in comparison to its oil/additive ratio. I may be wrong, as it is just a hunch. And if you prove me otherwise, I would totally admit to being wrong if I understood why. Anyways, to get to the point, I'd stay away from Valvoline's conventional Max Life. Go for the Semi-Syn Max Life.

I am not a basher of any brand, and I normally just go for the best deal, but (just because) I thought you might like to know that you can get oil for great prices on Amazon, plus the filter (and normally it's all free shipping [at least in the USA].

Just 'cuz, here are a few links for you to check out if you would like:

Mag1 5w-30 full syn 30 bucks 6 qts
Mag1 full syn euro 5w-40 for 37 bucks 6 qts
Rotella 5w-40 full syn gallon for 21 bucks
Valvoline semi-syn 10w40 for 27 bucks 5 qt jug

Of course, there's more good deals on Amazon, Walmart, and sometimes Oreilly's (I just got 5 qts of castrol syn blend plus a wix filter for 27 bucks).

There's always good deals for oil out there, but my advice for the oil burning problem is to add some Rislone: Rislone with zddp super concentrate for 7 bucks.

Best Regards, and I hope you can get something to help that oil burning problem grin

My son buys 10W40 VML syn-blend from WM for $16.27 in the 5 qt. container. I sent him (2) coupons for $5 off each 5qt. container, back in November. That made the deal even sweeter. thumbsup
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#3246562 - 01/13/14 05:51 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
Char Baby Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 7131
Loc: Rochester NY
How is the consumption now?
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#3246695 - 01/13/14 09:03 AM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: Char Baby]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 3554
Loc: Cajun Country, La.
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
How is the consumption now?

A qt. about every 1200 miles.
He says there is no oil leaking so it must be burning it.
1996 Corolla, 206K miles
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#3246881 - 01/13/14 12:04 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
Nodak Offline


Registered: 01/05/12
Posts: 190
Loc: North Dakota
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
How is the consumption now?

A qt. about every 1200 miles.
He says there is no oil leaking so it must be burning it.
1996 Corolla, 206K miles


My wife drives an 03 Corolla with 122,000 + on it and it burns little oil - we use QSUD in it. I drive an 04 Rav4 with 214,000 + on it and it used to burn oil at about your rate till I changed the PCV valve and switched to VML. Now it burns about 1.5 qrts. in 3000 miles. Runs like a top and I am a definitely going to keep using VML. ( I did try Havoline HM in it to see if it was just the PCV valve and the VML was more effective). There is probably other oils that will do the job like VML, but as for me, I will stick with VML.

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#3247322 - 01/13/14 06:15 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 7131
Loc: Rochester NY
I am liking the QS Defy also, especially for the extra level of quietness it provides.
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#3247663 - 01/13/14 11:37 PM Re: Valvoline Maxlife [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
Triton_330 Offline


Registered: 12/24/13
Posts: 294
Loc: Illinois, USA
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter

My son buys 10W-40 VML syn-blend from WM for $16.27 in the 5 qt. container. I sent him (2) coupons for $5 off each 5qt. container, back in November. That made the deal even sweeter. thumbsup


Haha, you know something... IDK why I linked the VML 10w-40 to Amazon, lol, because in that case, Walmart does sell it for much cheaper. Oh well, I must've been a little tired at the time of the posting haha. Yah, my dad recently bought it at Walmart for about 16 bucks (VML 10w-40 High Mileage Semi-Syn [Walmart]). He didn't have/use any coupons though...

(Warning, slightly unrelated and long read ahead): On a side note, unfortunately, the vehicle he'd put it in [that had a bad engine to begin with] recently just seized up. It was a 1999 Ford Escort... We found out by the mechanic that those 2.0L (not the zetec one, the standard one) from that generation had weak valve heads --- which lead to loss of compression, etc., and thus causing the engine to literally make cylinders 2 and 4 stop moving altogether. What's even funnier (not) is that when he bought the car (had around 100k miles), unsurprisingly, the previous owner had not tuned it as it should have been, and once my dad hit 150k the timing belt/chain (can't remember which it is) went bad - he went to start it up and 'snap crackle pop' (it shattered the pistons). The replacement engine (yah, what a great idea, replace an engine of a '99 Escort) would have been fine, but the goof-ball guys that put it in messed it up, and it, too blew. So the third engine (I know what your thinking here, lol), the most recent one, lasted for a good 80k miles until the weak heads killed it. All in all, that Escort did quite well though, despite a slippery transmission past 230k. The car was finally put to rest with like 260k miles on it, and throughout its whole life made 34mpg highway. cool

A few days ago my dad and I went out and bought a 1998 Buick LeSabre (about 98k miles on it) for a pretty good deal under KBB. I think my dad will be happy with this car. The 3.8L V6 (3800 series II) is a solid engine as far as I've heard. And for such a big car to get 30mpg highway thumbsup ... Ha, well, is pretty awesome. Also, when we bought it, the dealer had just gotten it in as a trade in so they'd not had time to even change the oil or anything yet (but that made it cheaper for us to buy haha), so I today I went to Walmart and bought something that I'd never have bought before I was a BITOGer - a 5 quart jug of Super Tech HM 5w-30. I thought, hey, for under 15 bucks, why not. I bought some STP blue bottle additive (for peace of mind, haha) and a Purolator filter, too.
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