What happens if you move and leave items behind?

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I lease a large commercial warehouse for my shop where I work. In October I moved into a new building. The guy that was in there before me left a forklift. He said he'd be back in a day or two to get it, and I said that was OK. He was to be moved out on Oct. 10.

For more than two months I've put up with him flaking out. I was being much nicer to him than I should have been. I arranged to meet with him more than once so he could get his forklift, and he didn't show up.

Today (Christmas eve) I get a voicemail from him. He let himself into my shop, and wants to know why there is a pad lock on the roll up door. It's so people like him can't come in and take things when I am not around! I am incredibly angry about this. I could, and might, press breaking and entering charges.

My question is, what happens when you move out of a leased space and leave items for 3 months? At a minimum, he's not getting his forklift back until he pays me storage fees. At what point does the property become abandoned?

The owner of the warehouse is not really happy with this guy either, (that's why he had to move) so whatever I want to do with the forklift he will agree with.
 
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
My not so professional advice is that if he owns the title he owns the forklift.

I don't believe a forklift has a title, does it? Even if it was a car there would be a way to file a lien...

Originally Posted By: volk06
If he left it and you took possession, it's yours.

Define "took possession".
 
I would think if he did not come and get it within 30 days, you have the right to a mechanics lean for the storage. But I do not know the terms of the original lease.

Tow companies charge $25 a day. You should be entitled to at least a reasonable amount for keeping his equipment out of the weather or scrapping it.
 
Do a quick search on Oregon abandoned property laws.

There is a whole series of requirements to provide notice before you do anything else. They are all oriented to the landlord and his responsibilities. It appears he needs to initiate any actions. These actions could have started about eight days after the time the landlord determines that the property was abandoned.

After wading through the statute, reasonable storage fees may be demanded by the landlord.

At this point, I would have a quick discussion with the landlord. I assume no one has started any Oregon abandoned property proceedings at this point. Any and all communications with the forklift owner should come from him, not you the lessee.

I would also be changing any locks that he accessed the building with. The landlord might want to disable to forklift to prevent possible forklift removal or damage to the warehouse. To access the building at this point I think requires the landlord's permission, and your warehouse space should not be entered by the forklift owner under any circumstances.

Note I am not a lawyer and am only providing some COAs that you or the landlord might want to pursue. If this gets contentious, a lawyer might be needed.

This may turn into a continuing saga. Good luck.
 
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Why worry about it so much, tell the dude his forklift is out in the parking lot....this shouldn't be your problem. Don't get a lawyer involved, focus on your business, not the legal system and trying to get a few hundred bucks from a guy.
 
You need to contact your attorney. In many places, property that has been abandoned for 30 days becomes yours, provided you have made a reasonable attempt to contact the previous owner.

The charges of breaking and entering are likely the purview of lessor, not you.

But your attorney can clarify what is true in your state.
 
Oregon is pretty clear that the notice has to be written to the last known address. In some cases, a newspaper notice can be provided. I suspect none has been done in this case, complicating the issue if reimbursement for storage fees is desired.
 
I'm a small-time residential landlord and have used standard forms and researched what happens with abandoned residential property, as well as evictions. If there is abandoned property the landlord is supposed to take care of it and can charge storage fees for not doing so. Typically this would be addressed with a walk through, but that's not always done.

I do know with evictions which happen while there are no occupants, the landlord can place stuff in storage, give the tenant a chance to pick it up, and charge reasonable storage fees for it. If they're not claimed, the landlord can sell the property to recoup the storage fees and apply to stuff like unpaid rent. How long storage is required depends on the state.

Here's Nevada law:

Quote:
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-118a.html#NRS118ASec460

NRS 118A.460  Procedure for disposal of personal property abandoned or left on premises.

1.  The landlord may dispose of personal property abandoned on the premises by a former tenant or left on the premises after eviction of the tenant without incurring civil or criminal liability in the following manner:

(a) The landlord shall reasonably provide for the safe storage of the property for 30 days after the abandonment or eviction or the end of the rental period and may charge and collect the reasonable and actual costs of inventory, moving and storage before releasing the property to the tenant or his or her authorized representative rightfully claiming the property within that period. The landlord is liable to the tenant only for the landlord’s negligent or wrongful acts in storing the property.

(b) After the expiration of the 30-day period, the landlord may dispose of the property and recover his or her reasonable costs out of the property or the value thereof if the landlord has made reasonable efforts to locate the tenant, has notified the tenant in writing of his or her intention to dispose of the property and 14 days have elapsed since the notice was given to the tenant. The notice must be mailed to the tenant at the tenant’s present address, and if that address is unknown, then at the tenant’s last known address.

(c) Vehicles must be disposed of in the manner provided in chapter 487 of NRS for abandoned vehicles.

2.  Any dispute relating to the amount of the costs claimed by the landlord pursuant to paragraph (a) of subsection 1 may be resolved using the procedure provided in subsection 7 of NRS 40.253.


Here's an explanation from the Oregon State Bar:

http://www.osbar.org/public/legalinfo/1257_TenantsBelongings.htm

And the relevant law for residential real estate is § 90.425. I read a summary that says it's effectively 15 days for a tenant to remove it, but there's apparently a long list of things the landlord is required to do.

Quote:
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/lawsstatutes/2011ors090.html

90.425 Disposition of personal property abandoned by tenant; notice; sale; limitation on landlord liability; tax cancellation; storage agreements; hazardous property. (1) As used in this section:

(a) “Current market value” means the amount in cash, as determined by the county assessor, that could reasonably be expected to be paid for a manufactured dwelling or floating home by an informed buyer to an informed seller, each acting without compulsion in an arm’s-length transaction occurring on the assessment date for the tax year or on the date of a subsequent reappraisal by the county assessor.

(b) “Dispose of the personal property” means that, if reasonably appropriate, the landlord may throw away the property or may give it without consideration to a nonprofit organization or to a person unrelated to the landlord. The landlord may not retain the property for personal use or benefit.

(c) “Goods” includes those goods left inside a recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home or left upon the rental space outside a recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home, whether the recreational vehicle, dwelling or home is located inside or outside of a facility.

(d) “Lienholder” means any lienholder of an abandoned recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home, if the lien is of record or the lienholder is actually known to the landlord.

(e) “Of record” means:

(A) For a recreational vehicle that is not a manufactured structure as defined in ORS 446.561, that a security interest has been properly recorded with the Department of Transportation pursuant to ORS 802.200 (1)(a)(A) and 803.097.

(B) For a manufactured dwelling or recreational vehicle that is a manufactured structure as defined in ORS 446.561, that a security interest has been properly recorded for the manufactured dwelling or recreational vehicle in the records of the Department of Consumer and Business Services pursuant to ORS 446.611 or on a certificate of title issued by the Department of Transportation prior to May 1, 2005.

(C) For a floating home, that a security interest has been properly recorded with the State Marine Board pursuant to ORS 830.740 to 830.755 for a home registered and titled with the board pursuant to ORS 830.715.

(f) “Owner” means any owner of an abandoned recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home, if different from the tenant and either of record or actually known to the landlord.

(g) “Personal property” means goods, vehicles and recreational vehicles and includes manufactured dwellings and floating homes not located in a facility. “Personal property” does not include manufactured dwellings and floating homes located in a facility and therefore subject to being stored, sold or disposed of as provided under ORS 90.675.

(2) A landlord may not store, sell or dispose of abandoned personal property except as provided by this section. This section governs the rights and obligations of landlords, tenants and any lienholders or owners in any personal property abandoned or left upon the premises by the tenant or any lienholder or owner in the following circumstances:

(a) The tenancy has ended by termination or expiration of a rental agreement or by relinquishment or abandonment of the premises and the landlord reasonably believes under all the circumstances that the tenant has left the personal property upon the premises with no intention of asserting any further claim to the premises or to the personal property;

(b) The tenant has been absent from the premises continuously for seven days after termination of a tenancy by a court order that has not been executed; or

(c) The landlord receives possession of the premises from the sheriff following restitution pursuant to ORS 105.161.

(3) Prior to selling or disposing of the tenant’s personal property under this section, the landlord must give a written notice to the tenant that must be:

(a) Personally delivered to the tenant; or

(b) Sent by first class mail addressed and mailed to the tenant at:

(A) The premises;

(B) Any post-office box held by the tenant and actually known to the landlord; and

(C) The most recent forwarding address if provided by the tenant or actually known to the landlord.

(4)(a) In addition to the notice required by subsection (3) of this section, in the case of an abandoned recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home, a landlord shall also give a copy of the notice described in subsection (3) of this section to:

(A) Any lienholder of the recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home;

(B) Any owner of the recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home;

(C) The tax collector of the county where the manufactured dwelling or floating home is located; and

(D) The assessor of the county where the manufactured dwelling or floating home is located.

(b) The landlord shall give the notice copy required by this subsection by personal delivery or first class mail, except that for any lienholder, mail service must be both by first class mail and by certified mail with return receipt requested.

(c) A notice to lienholders under paragraph (a)(A) of this subsection must be sent to each lienholder at each address:

(A) Actually known to the landlord;

(B) Of record; and

(C) Provided to the landlord by the lienholder in a written notice that identifies the personal property subject to the lien and that was sent to the landlord by certified mail with return receipt requested within the preceding five years. The notice must identify the personal property by describing the physical address of the property.

(5) The notice required under subsection (3) of this section must state that:

(a) The personal property left upon the premises is considered abandoned;

(b) The tenant or any lienholder or owner must contact the landlord by a specified date, as provided in subsection (6) of this section, to arrange for the removal of the abandoned personal property;

(c) The personal property is stored at a place of safekeeping, except that if the property includes a manufactured dwelling or floating home, the dwelling or home must be stored on the rented space;

(d) The tenant or any lienholder or owner, except as provided by subsection (18) of this section, may arrange for removal of the personal property by contacting the landlord at a described telephone number or address on or before the specified date;

(e) The landlord shall make the personal property available for removal by the tenant or any lienholder or owner, except as provided by subsection (18) of this section, by appointment at reasonable times;

(f) If the personal property is considered to be abandoned pursuant to subsection (2)(a) or (b) of this section, the landlord may require payment of removal and storage charges, as provided by subsection (7)(d) of this section, prior to releasing the personal property to the tenant or any lienholder or owner;

(g) If the personal property is considered to be abandoned pursuant to subsection (2)(c) of this section, the landlord may not require payment of storage charges prior to releasing the personal property;

(h) If the tenant or any lienholder or owner fails to contact the landlord by the specified date, or after that contact, fails to remove the personal property within 30 days for recreational vehicles, manufactured dwellings and floating homes or 15 days for all other personal property, the landlord may sell or dispose of the personal property. If the landlord reasonably believes that the personal property will be eligible for disposal pursuant to subsection (10)(b) of this section and the landlord intends to dispose of the property if the property is not claimed, the notice shall state that belief and intent; and

(i) If the personal property includes a recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home and if applicable, there is a lienholder or owner that has a right to claim the recreational vehicle, dwelling or home, except as provided by subsection (18) of this section.

(6) For purposes of subsection (5) of this section, the specified date by which a tenant, lienholder or owner must contact a landlord to arrange for the disposition of abandoned personal property is:

(a) For abandoned recreational vehicles, manufactured dwellings or floating homes, not less than 45 days after personal delivery or mailing of the notice; or

(b) For all other abandoned personal property, not less than five days after personal delivery or eight days after mailing of the notice.

(7) After notifying the tenant as required by subsection (3) of this section, the landlord:

(a) Shall store any abandoned manufactured dwelling or floating home on the rented space and shall exercise reasonable care for the dwelling or home;

(b) Shall store all other abandoned personal property of the tenant, including goods left inside a recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home or left upon the rented space outside a recreational vehicle, dwelling or home, in a place of safekeeping and shall exercise reasonable care for the personal property, except that the landlord may:

(A) Promptly dispose of rotting food; and

(B) Allow an animal control agency to remove any abandoned pets or livestock. If an animal control agency will not remove the abandoned pets or livestock, the landlord shall exercise reasonable care for the animals given all the circumstances, including the type and condition of the animals, and may give the animals to an agency that is willing and able to care for the animals, such as a humane society or similar organization;

(c) Except for manufactured dwellings and floating homes, may store the abandoned personal property at the dwelling unit, move and store it elsewhere on the premises or move and store it at a commercial storage company or other place of safekeeping; and

(d) Is entitled to reasonable or actual storage charges and costs incidental to storage or disposal, including any cost of removal to a place of storage. In the case of an abandoned manufactured dwelling or floating home, the storage charge may be no greater than the monthly space rent last payable by the tenant.

(8) If a tenant, lienholder or owner, upon the receipt of the notice provided by subsection (3) or (4) of this section or otherwise, responds by actual notice to the landlord on or before the specified date in the landlord’s notice that the tenant, lienholder or owner intends to remove the personal property from the premises or from the place of safekeeping, the landlord must make that personal property available for removal by the tenant, lienholder or owner by appointment at reasonable times during the 15 days or, in the case of a recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home, 30 days following the date of the response, subject to subsection (18) of this section. If the personal property is considered to be abandoned pursuant to subsection (2)(a) or (b) of this section, but not pursuant to subsection (2)(c) of this section, the landlord may require payment of removal and storage charges, as provided in subsection (7)(d) of this section, prior to allowing the tenant, lienholder or owner to remove the personal property. Acceptance by a landlord of such payment does not operate to create or reinstate a tenancy or create a waiver pursuant to ORS 90.412 or 90.417.

(9) Except as provided in subsections (18) to (20) of this section, if the tenant, lienholder or owner of a recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home does not respond within the time provided by the landlord’s notice, or the tenant, lienholder or owner does not remove the personal property within the time required by subsection (8) of this section or by any date agreed to with the landlord, whichever is later, the tenant’s, lienholder’s or owner’s personal property is conclusively presumed to be abandoned. The tenant and any lienholder or owner that have been given notice pursuant to subsection (3) or (4) of this section shall, except with regard to the distribution of sale proceeds pursuant to subsection (13) of this section, have no further right, title or interest to the personal property and may not claim or sell the property.

(10) If the personal property is presumed to be abandoned under subsection (9) of this section, the landlord then may:

(a) Sell the personal property at a public or private sale, provided that prior to the sale of a recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home:

(A) The landlord may seek to transfer ownership of record of the personal property by complying with the requirements of the appropriate state agency; and

(B) The landlord shall:

(i) Place a notice in a newspaper of general circulation in the county in which the recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home is located. The notice shall state:

(I) That the recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home is abandoned;

(II) The tenant’s and owner’s name, if of record or actually known to the landlord;

(III) The address and any space number where the recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home is located, and any plate, registration or other identification number for a recreational vehicle or floating home noted on the certificate of title, if actually known to the landlord;

(IV) Whether the sale is by private bidding or public auction;

(V) Whether the landlord is accepting sealed bids and, if so, the last date on which bids will be accepted; and

(VI) The name and telephone number of the person to contact to inspect the recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home;

(ii) At a reasonable time prior to the sale, give a copy of the notice required by sub-subparagraph (i) of this subparagraph to the tenant and to any lienholder and owner, by personal delivery or first class mail, except that for any lienholder, mail service must be by first class mail with certificate of mailing;

(iii) Obtain an affidavit of publication from the newspaper to show that the notice required under sub-subparagraph (i) of this subparagraph ran in the newspaper at least one day in each of two consecutive weeks prior to the date scheduled for the sale or the last date bids will be accepted; and

(iv) Obtain written proof from the county that all property taxes and assessments on the manufactured dwelling or floating home have been paid or, if not paid, that the county has authorized the sale, with the sale proceeds to be distributed pursuant to subsection (13) of this section;

(b) Destroy or otherwise dispose of the personal property if the landlord determines that:

(A) For a manufactured dwelling or floating home, the current market value of the property is $8,000 or less as determined by the county assessor; or

(B) For all other personal property, the reasonable current fair market value is $1,000 or less or so low that the cost of storage and conducting a public sale probably exceeds the amount that would be realized from the sale; or

(c) Consistent with paragraphs (a) and (b) of this subsection, sell certain items and destroy or otherwise dispose of the remaining personal property.

(11)(a) A public or private sale authorized by this section must:

(A) For a recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home, be conducted consistent with the terms listed in subsection (10)(a)(B)(i) of this section. Every aspect of the sale including the method, manner, time, place and terms must be commercially reasonable; or

(B) For all other personal property, be conducted under the provisions of ORS 79.0610.

(b) If there is no buyer at a sale of a manufactured dwelling or floating home, the personal property is considered to be worth $8,000 or less, regardless of current market value, and the landlord shall destroy or otherwise dispose of the personal property.

(12) Notwithstanding ORS 446.155 (1) and (2), unless a landlord intentionally misrepresents the condition of a manufactured dwelling or floating home, the landlord is not liable for the condition of the dwelling or home to:

(a) A buyer of the dwelling or home at a sale pursuant to subsection (10)(a) of this section, with or without consideration; or

(b) A person or nonprofit organization to whom the landlord gives the dwelling or home pursuant to subsection (1)(b), (10)(b) or (11)(b) of this section.

(13)(a) The landlord may deduct from the proceeds of the sale:

(A) The reasonable or actual cost of notice, storage and sale; and

(B) Unpaid rent.

(b) If the sale was of a manufactured dwelling or floating home, after deducting the amounts listed in paragraph (a) of this subsection, the landlord shall remit the remaining proceeds, if any, to the county tax collector to the extent of any unpaid property taxes and assessments owed on the dwelling or home.

(c) If the sale was of a recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home, after deducting the amounts listed in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this subsection, if applicable, the landlord shall remit the remaining proceeds, if any, to any lienholder to the extent of any unpaid balance owed on the lien on the recreational vehicle, dwelling or home.

(d) After deducting the amounts listed in paragraphs (a), (b) and (c) of this subsection, if applicable, the landlord shall remit to the tenant or owner the remaining proceeds, if any, together with an itemized accounting.

(e) If the tenant or owner cannot after due diligence be found, the landlord shall deposit the remaining proceeds with the county treasurer of the county in which the sale occurred. If not claimed within three years, the deposited proceeds revert to the general fund of the county and are available for general purposes.

(14) The county tax collector shall cancel all unpaid property taxes and assessments owed on a manufactured dwelling or floating home, as provided under ORS 311.790, only under one of the following circumstances:

(a) The landlord disposes of the manufactured dwelling or floating home after a determination described in subsection (10)(b) of this section.

(b) There is no buyer of the manufactured dwelling or floating home at a sale described under subsection (11) of this section.

(c)(A) There is a buyer of the manufactured dwelling or floating home at a sale described under subsection (11) of this section;

(B) The current market value of the manufactured dwelling or floating home is $8,000 or less; and

(C) The proceeds of the sale are insufficient to satisfy the unpaid property taxes and assessments owed on the dwelling or home after distribution of the proceeds pursuant to subsection (13) of this section.

(d)(A) The landlord buys the manufactured dwelling or floating home at a sale described under subsection (11) of this section;

(B) The current market value of the manufactured dwelling or floating home is more than $8,000;

(C) The proceeds of the sale are insufficient to satisfy the unpaid property taxes and assessments owed on the manufactured dwelling or floating home after distribution of the proceeds pursuant to subsection (13) of this section; and

(D) The landlord disposes of the manufactured dwelling or floating home.

(15) The landlord is not responsible for any loss to the tenant, lienholder or owner resulting from storage of personal property in compliance with this section unless the loss was caused by the landlord’s deliberate or negligent act. In the event of a deliberate and malicious violation, the landlord is liable for twice the actual damages sustained by the tenant, lienholder or owner.

(16) Complete compliance in good faith with this section shall constitute a complete defense in any action brought by a tenant, lienholder or owner against a landlord for loss or damage to such personal property disposed of pursuant to this section.

(17) If a landlord does not comply with this section:

(a) The tenant is relieved of any liability for damage to the premises caused by conduct that was not deliberate, intentional or grossly negligent and for unpaid rent and may recover from the landlord up to twice the actual damages sustained by the tenant;

(b) A lienholder or owner aggrieved by the noncompliance may recover from the landlord the actual damages sustained by the lienholder or owner. ORS 90.255 does not authorize an award of attorney fees to the prevailing party in any action arising under this paragraph; and

(c) A county tax collector aggrieved by the noncompliance may recover from the landlord the actual damages sustained by the tax collector, if the noncompliance is part of an effort by the landlord to defraud the tax collector. ORS 90.255 does not authorize an award of attorney fees to the prevailing party in any action arising under this paragraph.

(18) In the case of an abandoned recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home, the provisions of this section regarding the rights and responsibilities of a tenant to the abandoned vehicle, dwelling or home also apply to any lienholder except that the lienholder may not sell or remove the vehicle, dwelling or home unless:

(a) The lienholder has foreclosed its lien on the recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home;

(b) The tenant or a personal representative or designated person described in subsection (20) of this section has waived all rights under this section pursuant to subsection (26) of this section; or

(c) The notice and response periods provided by subsections (6) and (8) of this section have expired.

(19)(a) In the case of an abandoned manufactured dwelling or floating home but not including a dwelling or home abandoned following a termination pursuant to ORS 90.429 and except as provided by subsection (20)(d) and (e) of this section, if a lienholder makes a timely response to a notice of abandoned personal property pursuant to subsections (6) and (8) of this section and so requests, a landlord shall enter into a written storage agreement with the lienholder providing that the dwelling or home may not be sold or disposed of by the landlord for up to 12 months. A storage agreement entitles the lienholder to store the personal property on the previously rented space during the term of the agreement, but does not entitle anyone to occupy the personal property.

(b) The lienholder’s right to a storage agreement arises upon the failure of the tenant, owner or, in the case of a deceased tenant, the personal representative, designated person, heir or devisee to remove or sell the dwelling or home within the allotted time.

(c) To exercise the right to a storage agreement under this subsection, in addition to contacting the landlord with a timely response as described in paragraph (a) of this subsection, the lienholder must enter into the proposed storage agreement within 60 days after the landlord gives a copy of the agreement to the lienholder. The landlord shall give a copy of the proposed storage agreement to the lienholder in the same manner as provided by subsection (4)(b) of this section. The landlord may include a copy of the proposed storage agreement with the notice of abandoned property required by subsection (4) of this section. A lienholder enters into a storage agreement by signing a copy of the agreement provided by the landlord and personally delivering or mailing the signed copy to the landlord within the 60-day period.

(d) The storage agreement may require, in addition to other provisions agreed to by the landlord and the lienholder, that:

(A) The lienholder make timely periodic payment of all storage charges, as described in subsection (7)(d) of this section, accruing from the commencement of the 45-day period described in subsection (6) of this section. A storage charge may include a utility or service charge, as described in ORS 90.532, if limited to charges for electricity, water, sewer service and natural gas and if incidental to the storage of personal property. A storage charge may not be due more frequently than monthly;

(B) The lienholder pay a late charge or fee for failure to pay a storage charge by the date required in the agreement, if the amount of the late charge is no greater than for late charges described in the rental agreement between the landlord and the tenant; and

(C) The lienholder maintain the personal property and the space on which the personal property is stored in a manner consistent with the rights and obligations described in the rental agreement between the landlord and the tenant.

(e) During the term of an agreement described under this subsection, the lienholder has the right to remove or sell the property, subject to the provisions of the lien. Selling the property includes a sale to a purchaser who wishes to leave the dwelling or home on the rented space and become a tenant, subject to any conditions previously agreed to by the landlord and tenant regarding the landlord’s approval of a purchaser or, if there was no such agreement, any reasonable conditions by the landlord regarding approval of any purchaser who wishes to leave the dwelling or home on the rented space and become a tenant. The landlord also may condition approval for occupancy of any purchaser of the property upon payment of all unpaid storage charges and maintenance costs.

(f)(A) If the lienholder violates the storage agreement, the landlord may terminate the agreement by giving at least 90 days’ written notice to the lienholder stating facts sufficient to notify the lienholder of the reason for the termination. Unless the lienholder corrects the violation within the notice period, the agreement terminates as provided and the landlord may sell or dispose of the dwelling or home without further notice to the lienholder.

(B) After a landlord gives a termination notice pursuant to subparagraph (A) of this paragraph for failure of the lienholder to pay a storage charge and the lienholder corrects the violation, if the lienholder again violates the storage agreement by failing to pay a subsequent storage charge, the landlord may terminate the agreement by giving at least 30 days’ written notice to the lienholder stating facts sufficient to notify the lienholder of the reason for termination. Unless the lienholder corrects the violation within the notice period, the agreement terminates as provided and the landlord may sell or dispose of the property without further notice to the lienholder.

(C) A lienholder may terminate a storage agreement at any time upon at least 14 days’ written notice to the landlord and may remove the property from the rented space if the lienholder has paid all storage charges and other charges as provided in the agreement.

(g) Upon the failure of a lienholder to enter into a storage agreement as provided by this subsection or upon termination of an agreement, unless the parties otherwise agree or the lienholder has sold or removed the manufactured dwelling or floating home, the landlord may sell or dispose of the property pursuant to this section without further notice to the lienholder.

(20) If the personal property is a manufactured dwelling or floating home and is considered abandoned as a result of the death of a tenant who was the only tenant and who owned the dwelling or home, this section applies, except as follows:

(a) The following persons have the same rights and responsibilities regarding the abandoned dwelling or home as a tenant:

(A) Any personal representative named in a will or appointed by a court to act for the deceased tenant.

(B) Any person designated in writing by the tenant to be contacted by the landlord in the event of the tenant’s death.

(b) The notice required by subsection (3) of this section must be:

(A) Sent by first class mail to the deceased tenant at the premises; and

(B) Personally delivered or sent by first class mail to any personal representative or designated person, if actually known to the landlord.

(c) The notice described in subsection (5) of this section must refer to any personal representative or designated person, instead of the deceased tenant, and must incorporate the provisions of this subsection.

(d) If a personal representative, designated person or other person entitled to possession of the property, such as an heir or devisee, responds by actual notice to a landlord within the 45-day period provided by subsection (6) of this section and so requests, the landlord shall enter into a written storage agreement with the representative or person providing that the dwelling or home may not be sold or disposed of by the landlord for up to 90 days or until conclusion of any probate proceedings, whichever is later. A storage agreement entitles the representative or person to store the personal property on the previously rented space during the term of the agreement, but does not entitle anyone to occupy the personal property. If such an agreement is entered, the landlord may not enter a similar agreement with a lienholder pursuant to subsection (19) of this section until the agreement with the personal representative or designated person ends.

(e) If a personal representative or other person requests that a landlord enter into a storage agreement, subsection (19)(c), (d) and (f)(C) of this section applies, with the representative or person having the rights and responsibilities of a lienholder with regard to the storage agreement.

(f) During the term of an agreement described under paragraph (d) of this subsection, the representative or person has the right to remove or sell the dwelling or home, including a sale to a purchaser or a transfer to an heir or devisee where the purchaser, heir or devisee wishes to leave the dwelling or home on the rented space and become a tenant, subject to any conditions previously agreed to by the landlord and tenant regarding the landlord’s approval for occupancy of a purchaser, heir or devisee or, if there was no such agreement, any reasonable conditions by the landlord regarding approval for occupancy of any purchaser, heir or devisee who wishes to leave the dwelling or home on the rented space and become a tenant. The landlord also may condition approval for occupancy of any purchaser, heir or devisee of the dwelling or home upon payment of all unpaid storage charges and maintenance costs.

(g) If the representative or person violates the storage agreement, the landlord may terminate the agreement by giving at least 30 days’ written notice to the representative or person stating facts sufficient to notify the representative or person of the reason for the termination. Unless the representative or person corrects the violation within the notice period, the agreement terminates as provided and the landlord may sell or dispose of the dwelling or home without further notice to the representative or person.

(h) Upon the failure of a representative or person to enter into a storage agreement as provided by this subsection or upon termination of an agreement, unless the parties otherwise agree or the representative or person has sold or removed the manufactured dwelling or floating home, the landlord may sell or dispose of the property pursuant to this section without further notice to the representative or person.

(21) If the personal property is other than a manufactured dwelling or floating home and is considered abandoned as a result of the death of a tenant who was the only tenant and who owned the personal property, this section applies except as follows:

(a) The following persons have the same rights and responsibilities regarding the abandoned personal property as a tenant:

(A) An heir or devisee.

(B) Any personal representative named in a will or appointed by a court to act for the deceased tenant.

(C) Any person designated in writing by the tenant to be contacted by the landlord in the event of the tenant’s death.

(b) The notice required by subsection (3) of this section must be:

(A) Sent by first class mail to the deceased tenant at the premises;

(B) Personally delivered or sent by first class mail to any heir, devisee, personal representative or designated person, if actually known to the landlord; and

(C) Sent by first class mail to the attention of an estate administrator of the Department of State Lands.

(c) The notice described in subsection (5) of this section must refer to the heir, devisee, personal representative, designated person or estate administrator of the department, instead of the deceased tenant, and must incorporate the provisions of this subsection.

(d) The landlord shall allow a person that is an heir, devisee or personal representative of the tenant, or an estate administrator of the department, to remove the personal property if the person contacts the landlord within the period provided by subsection (6) of this section, complies with the requirements of this section and provides the landlord with reasonable evidence that the person is an heir, devisee or personal representative, or an estate administrator of the department.

(e) If neither an heir, devisee nor personal representative of the tenant, nor an estate administrator of the department, contacts the landlord within the time period provided by subsection (6) of this section, the landlord shall allow removal of the personal property by the designated person of the tenant, if the designated person contacts the landlord within that period and complies with the requirements of this section and provides the landlord with reasonable evidence that the person is the designated person.

(f) A landlord who allows removal of personal property under this subsection is not liable to another person that has a claim or interest in the personal property.

(22) If a governmental agency determines that the condition of a manufactured dwelling, floating home or recreational vehicle abandoned under this section constitutes an extreme health or safety hazard under state or local law and the agency determines that the hazard endangers others in the immediate vicinity and requires quick removal of the property, the landlord may sell or dispose of the property pursuant to this subsection. The landlord shall comply with all provisions of this section, except as follows:

(a) The date provided in subsection (6) of this section by which a tenant, lienholder, owner, personal representative or designated person must contact a landlord to arrange for the disposition of the property must be not less than 15 days after personal delivery or mailing of the notice required by subsection (3) of this section.

(b) The date provided in subsections (8) and (9) of this section by which a tenant, lienholder, owner, personal representative or designated person must remove the property must be not less than seven days after the tenant, lienholder, owner, personal representative or designated person contacts the landlord.

(c) The notice required by subsection (3) of this section must be as provided in subsection (5) of this section, except that:

(A) The dates and deadlines in the notice for contacting the landlord and removing the property must be consistent with this subsection;

(B) The notice must state that a governmental agency has determined that the property constitutes an extreme health or safety hazard and must be removed quickly; and

(C) The landlord shall attach a copy of the agency’s determination to the notice.

(d) If the tenant, a lienholder, owner, personal representative or designated person does not remove the property within the time allowed, the landlord or a buyer at a sale by the landlord under subsection (11) of this section shall promptly remove the property from the facility.

(e) A landlord is not required to enter into a storage agreement with a lienholder, owner, personal representative or designated person pursuant to subsection (19) of this section.

(23)(a) If an official or agency referred to in ORS 453.876 notifies the landlord that the official or agency has determined that all or part of the premises is unfit for use as a result of the presence of an illegal drug manufacturing site involving methamphetamine, and the landlord complies with this subsection, the landlord is not required to comply with subsections (1) to (22) and (24) to (27) of this section with regard to personal property left on the portion of the premises that the official or agency has determined to be unfit for use.

(b) Upon receiving notice from an official or agency determining the premises to be unfit for use, the landlord shall promptly give written notice to the tenant as provided in subsection (3) of this section. The landlord shall also attach a copy of the notice in a secure manner to the main entrance of the dwelling unit. The notice to the tenant shall include a copy of the official’s or agency’s notice and state:

(A) That the premises, or a portion of the premises, has been determined by an official or agency to be unfit for use due to contamination from the manufacture of methamphetamine and that as a result subsections (1) to (22) and (24) to (27) of this section do not apply to personal property left on any portion of the premises determined to be unfit for use;

(B) That the landlord has hired, or will hire, a contractor to assess the level of contamination of the site and to decontaminate the site;

(C) That upon hiring the contractor, the landlord will provide to the tenant the name, address and telephone number of the contractor; and

(D) That the tenant may contact the contractor to determine whether any of the tenant’s personal property may be removed from the premises or may be decontaminated at the tenant’s expense and then removed.

(c) To the extent consistent with rules of the Department of Human Services, the contractor may release personal property to the tenant.

(d) If the contractor and the department determine that the premises or the tenant’s personal property is not unfit for use, upon notification by the department of the determination, the landlord shall comply with subsections (1) to (22) and (24) to (27) of this section for any personal property left on the premises.

(e) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this subsection, the landlord is not responsible for storing or returning any personal property left on the portion of the premises that is unfit for use.

(24) In the case of an abandoned recreational vehicle, manufactured dwelling or floating home that is owned by someone other than the tenant, the provisions of this section regarding the rights and responsibilities of a tenant to the abandoned vehicle, dwelling or home also apply to that owner, with regard only to the vehicle, dwelling or home, and not to any goods left inside or outside the vehicle, dwelling or home.

(25) In the case of an abandoned motor vehicle, the procedure authorized by ORS 98.830 and 98.835 for removal of abandoned motor vehicles from private property may be used by a landlord as an alternative to the procedures required in this section.

(26)(a) A landlord may sell or dispose of a tenant’s abandoned personal property without complying with subsections (1) to (25) and (27) of this section if, after termination of the tenancy or no more than seven days prior to the termination of the tenancy, the following parties so agree in a writing entered into in good faith:

(A) The landlord;

(B) The tenant, or for an abandonment as the result of the death of a tenant who was the only tenant, the personal representative, designated person or other person entitled to possession of the personal property, such as an heir or devisee, as described in subsection (20) or (21) of this section; and

(C) In the case of a manufactured dwelling, floating home or recreational vehicle, any owner and any lienholder.

(b) A landlord may not, as part of a rental agreement, require a tenant, a personal representative, a designated person or any lienholder or owner to waive any right provided by this section.

(27) Until personal property is conclusively presumed to be abandoned under subsection (9) of this section, a landlord does not have a lien pursuant to ORS 87.152 for storing the personal property. [Formerly 91.840; 1993 c.18 §15; 1993 c.369 §14; 1995 c.559 §31; 1997 c.577 §25; 1999 c.603 §28; 2001 c.44 §1; 2001 c.445 §165; 2001 c.596 §35; 2003 c.378 §14; 2003 c.655 §57; 2003 c.658 §5; 2005 c.5 §1; 2005 c.391 §34; 2005 c.619 §§17,18; 2007 c.906 §31; 2009 c.431 §8; 2011 c.42 §8b]


However, Oregon law treats commercial real estate differently (based on case law), so this may be something an attorney should handle.

Quote:
http://bmllaw.net/landlordtenant.html

Oregon does not have a body of statutes specifically for commercial tenancies like Oregon does for residential tenancies (URLTA). The law for commercial tenancies is based on previous appellate court decisions, often known as case law or sometimes called the common law.


Still - this is supposed to be the responsibility of the landlord to make the property suitable for the new tenant. I would insist on the landlord handling it so that your company doesn't get sued.
 
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
Why worry about it so much, tell the dude his forklift is out in the parking lot....this shouldn't be your problem. Don't get a lawyer involved, focus on your business, not the legal system and trying to get a few hundred bucks from a guy.


Came here to post exactly this.

Tell the guy in writing if he's not there at 10:00AM, Dec XX, 2013 you will park the pig outside at 11:00AM and you are done.

The only other party you get involved is a locksmith. Get the locks changed immediately. And stop being this guy's fish.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
Why worry about it so much, tell the dude his forklift is out in the parking lot....this shouldn't be your problem. Don't get a lawyer involved, focus on your business, not the legal system and trying to get a few hundred bucks from a guy.


Came here to post exactly this.

Tell the guy in writing if he's not there at 10:00AM, Dec XX, 2013 you will park the pig outside at 11:00AM and you are done.

The only other party you get involved is a locksmith. Get the locks changed immediately. And stop being this guy's fish.

I would have complained to the landlord about making it his problem. The property should have been out of there before taking over the property. Maybe even get a reduction in rent for a month because of the hassle of not having full use of the property and dealing with the previous tenant. And I say this as a landlord who has had rent docked for reasonable expenses borne by a tenant.

And in pretty much any state, if the previous tenant still has the keys to a property, he's required to turn in the keys and any copies made. Still - as a landlord I've typically had the locks rekeyed between tenants to avoid getting in deep if the previous tenant helps himself back in. I would insist that the landlord be involved in the rekeying process. With most state laws, the tenant is not allowed to rekey the locks without the landlord's permission, and the landlord must have working copies of those keys.
 
Originally Posted By: y_p_w
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
Why worry about it so much, tell the dude his forklift is out in the parking lot....this shouldn't be your problem. Don't get a lawyer involved, focus on your business, not the legal system and trying to get a few hundred bucks from a guy.


Came here to post exactly this.

Tell the guy in writing if he's not there at 10:00AM, Dec XX, 2013 you will park the pig outside at 11:00AM and you are done.

The only other party you get involved is a locksmith. Get the locks changed immediately. And stop being this guy's fish.

I would have complained to the landlord about making it his problem. The property should have been out of there before taking over the property. Maybe even get a reduction in rent for a month because of the hassle of not having full use of the property and dealing with the previous tenant. And I say this as a landlord who has had rent docked for reasonable expenses borne by a tenant.

And in pretty much any state, if the previous tenant still has the keys to a property, he's required to turn in the keys and any copies made. Still - as a landlord I've typically had the locks rekeyed between tenants to avoid getting in deep if the previous tenant helps himself back. I would insist that the landlord be involved in the rekeying process. With most state laws, the tenant is not allowed to rekey the locks without the landlord's permission, and the landlord must have working copies of those keys.


Does depend on the lease, but I agree, terrible landlord should be involved as well - and frankly yeah have him rekey the place, you are paying him good money.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
Why worry about it so much, tell the dude his forklift is out in the parking lot....this shouldn't be your problem. Don't get a lawyer involved, focus on your business, not the legal system and trying to get a few hundred bucks from a guy.


Came here to post exactly this.

Tell the guy in writing if he's not there at 10:00AM, Dec XX, 2013 you will park the pig outside at 11:00AM and you are done.

The only other party you get involved is a locksmith. Get the locks changed immediately. And stop being this guy's fish.


Yep don't be the guy taking care of this. Have the bldg owner take care of this and if he has a place to store then so be it. You need to get out of the way of handling this and produce some kind of paperwork stating this. For all you know this guy might have borrowed it from somebody else and just needs a place to keep it for now.

Cheers
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Parallel park it down the street. If it gets towed,
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If the guy is a jerk, you have a lot of ways to be a jerk back.

If the guy is decent, just tell him that the fork lift will be parked out in the parking lot in 3 days if he doesn't come pick it up by then.

If it sits in the parking lot unclaimed for a while, I would have it towed off the property and not worry about it any more.

And I'm not really seeing how this is your problem. The landlord had the responsibility to take care of all of this and he passed the buck onto you. Demand a discount for every month that you have lost the use of that space.
 
Some of you are missing the point. Right now he cannot have his forklift back, he owes me money. Not sure how much yet. That is why I am not putting it outside. If it was outside I would bring it inside to lock it up. I have more than enough room, it is not in my way.

I was trying to be nice, and I wasn't going to charge him a dime. I would have given him another month if he just asked nice. What he did today changes that. I'm just imagining what might happen if I went back to my old shop that I moved out of and let myself in to get things - I would be leaving in handcuffs. This is entirely between me and the owner of the forklift, the landlord will only be involved for anything he is legally required to be.

I will have to look deeper into the statutes, though, I'll probably wait until after xmas.
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As was pointed out towing companies charge a lot for storage, they tried to charge me $20/day locally a few years ago. That would be over $1500 for this forklift...
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If the OP isn't the landlord, how does the forklift owner owe him money? How does the OP have any claim to the lift? If I was in the OP situation, I wouldn't even be involved.
 
If you never served notice that you were charging $20 a day or whatever, you'll have a heck of a time getting it. You'd be hard pressed to charge retroactive rent.

Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.
 
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