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#3221151 - 12/18/13 10:38 PM Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA
R80RS Online   content


Registered: 06/05/13
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Loc: Wisconsin USA
As far as I can tell it's been over 9 years since a VOA has been posted for this oil. Viscosity is on the high side for the grade, with lots of P, Zn, and Ca. According to Amsoil's literature HTHSV is 3.5 cP and NOACK is 8.6%. This is the first time I've used any Amsoil product. I have about 7000 miles on this oil in my ALH Jetta now. I'll report back with a UOA after 10k miles.

Link to Amsoil's data sheet: http://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g1301.pdf


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#3221156 - 12/18/13 10:55 PM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: R80RS]
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Registered: 04/13/13
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No moly, no boron, no thank you...I know thats not all that matters, but in my cars engine those certainly make a difference. No doubt this is a good oil though.
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#3221245 - 12/19/13 05:11 AM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: gregk24]
Phishin Offline


Registered: 05/01/12
Posts: 1548
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: gregk24
No moly, no boron, no thank you...I know thats not all that matters, but in my cars engine those certainly make a difference.


I'd like to know how you know that Mo & B make a difference in your engines.
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#3221251 - 12/19/13 05:36 AM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: R80RS]
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Unimpressive based on the numbers listed in the report. Must be their secret base stock that makes it a premium price oil. Would the secret base stock or hidden ingredients be unicorn blood and the tears from endangered sea turtles?


Edited by The_Captain (12/19/13 05:40 AM)
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#3221260 - 12/19/13 05:58 AM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: R80RS]
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Registered: 02/03/06
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Am surprised there's no Moly in HDD... but there's ~150ppm of Moly in the Amsoil Signature Series!

It begs the question...... Which oil is more "Stout"? HDD or the Sig Series??

Looking forward to some insight on this.

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#3221270 - 12/19/13 06:28 AM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: Phishin]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
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Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: Phishin
Originally Posted By: gregk24
No moly, no boron, no thank you...I know thats not all that matters, but in my cars engine those certainly make a difference.


I'd like to know how you know that Mo & B make a difference in your engines.


This guy gets it.

Guys - It's a "traditional" HDEO. Mo and B not required in the least. And yes there are many additives not pictured up in a $25 VOA.

Tell me, what are the minimum elemental ppms that make an oil truly magical mystical in your expert minds?

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#3221293 - 12/19/13 07:02 AM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: Turk]
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Registered: 06/05/13
Posts: 630
Loc: Wisconsin USA
Originally Posted By: Turk


It begs the question...... Which oil is more "Stout"? HDD or the Sig Series??

Looking forward to some insight on this.



I don't have a lot of technical insight, so I'll offer my observation and opinion. I think looking at HDD versus Sig Series is an apples to oranges comparison. They have very different approvals and are intended for different applications. AFAIK, Sig Series is not recommended or approved for diesel service. HDD is a diesel oil that is also rated API SL and SJ. HDD is specifically marketed for pre-2007 diesels, so as Pablo said, this is a "traditional" HDEO.
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#3221345 - 12/19/13 08:00 AM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: Pablo]
Turk Offline


Registered: 02/03/06
Posts: 8185
Loc: MN
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Phishin
Originally Posted By: gregk24
No moly, no boron, no thank you...I know thats not all that matters, but in my cars engine those certainly make a difference.


I'd like to know how you know that Mo & B make a difference in your engines.


This guy gets it.

Guys - It's a "traditional" HDEO. Mo and B not required in the least. And yes there are many additives not pictured up in a $25 VOA.

Tell me, what are the minimum elemental ppms that make an oil truly magical mystical in your expert minds?



Good explanation, Pablo. Thank you!
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#3221767 - 12/19/13 02:52 PM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: R80RS]
bluesubie Offline


Registered: 08/04/03
Posts: 1899
Loc: NJ
A great oil for the OP's application and a great oil for turbo Subaru owner's that want to run manly oils. thumbsup grin2
There have been a couple good WRX uoa's posted here on HDD.

-Dennis
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#3221884 - 12/19/13 04:50 PM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: R80RS]
INDYMAC Offline


Registered: 07/15/06
Posts: 2333
Loc: Magnolia, TX
I have seen this formula work very well, especiall with high fuel dilutes and other contaminants. If you're havng troubles with a PCMO, you might give this a try.
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#3222234 - 12/20/13 01:02 AM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: R80RS]
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Consider another thing: If you need a 5W30 for older engines, why not this oil instead of the HM junk on the shelves?
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#3222893 - 12/20/13 04:45 PM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: MolaKule]
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Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Or buy the cheaper Castrol made BMW 5W-30, that's is intended for gas engines and does contain moly and boron.
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#3223111 - 12/20/13 08:09 PM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: MolaKule]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 11782
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Consider another thing: If you need a 5W30 for older engines, why not this oil instead of the HM junk on the shelves?

I assume you're going to elaborate on this. At least I hope you do.
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#3223233 - 12/20/13 10:55 PM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: CATERHAM]
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Registered: 06/05/13
Posts: 630
Loc: Wisconsin USA
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Or buy the cheaper Castrol made BMW 5W-30, that's is intended for gas engines and does contain moly and boron.


I've seen the BMW Castrol Edge Professional OE 5w-30 sell for between $8.80 (eBay) and around $10.00 (Amazon, and some on line Euro parts retailers) per quart. The import repair shop I use sells it for $10 per quart. For comparison, I paid $8.60 per quart for the Amsoil, so I wouldn't say the Castrol is cheaper.
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2004 F150 189k mi. Amsoil XL 5w-20, Fram Ultra
2004 Freestar 239k mi. SOPUS blend 5w-20, FL-400S
2003 VW Jetta TDI, 162k mi. Amsoil HDD 5w-30, Mahle

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#3223652 - 12/21/13 12:42 PM Re: Amsoil Series 3000 HDD 5w-30 VOA [Re: R80RS]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 9738
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: R80RS
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Or buy the cheaper Castrol made BMW 5W-30, that's is intended for gas engines and does contain moly and boron.


I've seen the BMW Castrol Edge Professional OE 5w-30 sell for between $8.80 (eBay) and around $10.00 (Amazon, and some on line Euro parts retailers) per quart. The import repair shop I use sells it for $10 per quart. For comparison, I paid $8.60 per quart for the Amsoil, so I wouldn't say the Castrol is cheaper.

I don't know why anyone would want to pay more than the $7.58/qt that BMW charges for their 5W-30 unless you can't get to a BMW dealership.
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