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#3219193 - 12/17/13 06:38 AM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: zerosoma]
Olas Offline


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I have two different opinions on what to carry, either a model 1911 in .45 with a magazine full of hollowpoints (to feel extra reassured of my stopping power and mag. capacity - probably best used indoors or other confined areas)

Or if I was feeling 'cool' and 'showoff' I' use my Pardini HPE and stop the attackers/robbers/whoever from 60 or 70 meters..

But, like anything, you pick a the tool to do the job - we could use a pair of Irwins on almost every nut and bolt on the car, but we have spanners and sockets of varying sizes, each one suited to an individual task - so think of the situation where you envisage wanting/needing to carry, an pick something appropriate.
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#3219390 - 12/17/13 09:27 AM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: Olas]
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For me, it's a .357 stainless steel snubbie with Lasergrips. I have many rounds through this gun and it is utterly reliable. I use a Crossbreed Super Tuck IWB holster and can carry the relatively heavy revolver comfortably all day.
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#3219693 - 12/17/13 01:59 PM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: R_W_M]
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Originally Posted By: R_W_M
For me, it's a .357 stainless steel snubbie with Lasergrips. I have many rounds through this gun and it is utterly reliable.


Yep, same here. A S&W .357 magnum. Love it. thumbsup
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#3221126 - 12/18/13 10:02 PM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: zerosoma]
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Registered: 12/22/06
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Loc: USA
1. Carry a gun that you enjoy shooting. If you enjoy shooting it you will practice. If you practice, you will improve your skill and your self-confidence. You will not become proficient with a gun that isn't fun to shoot. Teeny-tiny guns are all the rage but they aren't much fun to actually use.

2. If you are left handed, revolvers are really awkward. The cylinder release is on the wrong side, the cylinder drops open the wrong way for reloads.

3. You need to try both and decide for yourself. Frankly, asking for others' opinions is like asking other people if you should wear boxers or briefs.

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#3221194 - 12/19/13 12:22 AM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: AITG]
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Registered: 08/12/11
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Loc: south dakota, usa
Originally Posted By: AITG
1. Carry a gun that you enjoy shooting. If you enjoy shooting it you will practice. If you practice, you will improve your skill and your self-confidence. You will not become proficient with a gun that isn't fun to shoot. Teeny-tiny guns are all the rage but they aren't much fun to actually use.

2. If you are left handed, revolvers are really awkward. The cylinder release is on the wrong side, the cylinder drops open the wrong way for reloads.

3. You need to try both and decide for yourself. Frankly, asking for others' opinions is like asking other people if you should wear boxers or briefs.


Thanks.

I'm ambidextrous. Oh and I wear boxers for the record. thumbsup
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#3221665 - 12/19/13 01:16 PM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: Barkleymut]
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Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
if I hit a bad guy in the chest with one round he is going down... No one is coming at you any more with that kind of pain.


Pain doesn't stop determined attackers, nor does it stop those who don't feel pain.

Read the numerous reports of perps high on PCP and what it takes to stop them.
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#3221719 - 12/19/13 02:12 PM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: zerosoma]
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Yeah pcp numbs the nervous system so all the attacker would feel is violent shoves.
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#3222133 - 12/19/13 09:46 PM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: zerosoma]
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Registered: 12/23/09
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The 1986 FBI shootout is a perfect example of how many rounds someone can take and not go down. And dont forget the Philippine Insurrection where Moro warriors took a full cylinder of 38 Long Colt and kept coming only to hack soldiers with knives and daggers before bleeding out.
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#3222317 - 12/20/13 06:40 AM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: zerosoma]
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What makes the 1986 FBI shoot out interesting ( among many other things) is that Platt and Matix were drug free at the time. They took multiple rounds, 9mm and .357, multiple hits and kept fighting. In fact, Platt had over a quart of blood in his chest and was still fighting as he was bleeding out internally...

A determined attacker is going to take more than the pain of a gunshot wound to be convinced to stop....
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#3222320 - 12/20/13 06:41 AM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: Olas]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
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Originally Posted By: Olas
I have two different opinions on what to carry, either a model 1911 in .45 with a magazine full of hollowpoints (to feel extra reassured of my stopping power and mag. capacity - probably best used indoors or other confined areas)

Or if I was feeling 'cool' and 'showoff' I' use my Pardini HPE and stop the attackers/robbers/whoever from 60 or 70 meters..

But, like anything, you pick a the tool to do the job - we could use a pair of Irwins on almost every nut and bolt on the car, but we have spanners and sockets of varying sizes, each one suited to an individual task - so think of the situation where you envisage wanting/needing to carry, an pick something appropriate.


Olas - are you even allowed to carry a weapon in your country?
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#3222388 - 12/20/13 07:54 AM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: zerosoma]
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Here is another case of a real world fight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norco_shootout

The officer is hit by 5 rounds while continuing to return fire at the bank robbers. He stayed in the fight, and survived his injuries. No drugs, no chemicals, just sheer determination.
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#3222515 - 12/20/13 09:49 AM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: Astro14]
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Registered: 07/27/06
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Loc: New Jersey & Virginia
Originally Posted By: Astro14
What makes the 1986 FBI shoot out interesting ( among many other things) is that Platt and Matix were drug free at the time. They took multiple rounds, 9mm and .357, multiple hits and kept fighting. In fact, Platt had over a quart of blood in his chest and was still fighting as he was bleeding out internally...

A determined attacker is going to take more than the pain of a gunshot wound to be convinced to stop....


Makes a good argument for a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 Buck for home defense. Mine holds seven shells, and all nine .33 caliber balls fly through a 2x8 at 30 feet with a 7" pattern. The blast and impact should let any bad guy know he has been shot and end the threat faster than a handgun.

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#3222680 - 12/20/13 12:58 PM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: zerosoma]
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While the shotgun is a fine choice, the suspects in Miami were hit several times by the FBI agents' 9mm rounds. Each round has far more impact energy than a 00 buck pellet. Matix didn't go down until the 12th round hit him. He took the equivalent damage of many shotgun rounds fired at him before stopping.

If your weapon doesn't impact CNS or cause severe internal organ damage, it will not be enough to end the fight against a determined assailant.

There can be some bad guy-sized holes in a 00 buck pattern at 15 yards...depending on how they spread...unless one of those pellets hits something important, you may still be in a fight after the 1st round is fired.

Never put your faith, your life, in the effectiveness of a particular round, or a particular number of hits. More effective rounds are always a good idea, but you must fire until the threat ends...or you risk losing the fight.
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#3223364 - 12/21/13 06:33 AM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: Astro14]
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Loc: Manchester, England
Originally Posted By: Astro14

Olas - are you even allowed to carry a weapon in your country?


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#3223366 - 12/21/13 06:37 AM Re: Revolver vs Semi Auto for carry [Re: Smoky14]
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Registered: 12/11/13
Posts: 667
Loc: Manchester, England
Originally Posted By: Smoky14
It ain't the arrows, it's the Indian. Nothing beats training. The weapon is the warrior, don't get too wrapped up in the tools.

Smoky


^THIS!!

Even a .17HMR or a .22RF will stop an attacker in one shot if you place it between the eyes - use whatever you're comfortable with and be sure to use it effectively.
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