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#3207219 - 12/05/13 11:35 AM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: txgp17]
jrustles Offline


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How do those toilet paper filters stack up??
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#3207243 - 12/05/13 11:53 AM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: Artem]
sayjac Offline


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Originally Posted By: Artem
I was going off of your rock catcher media spec comment. Haha....

I'd like to take credit for that, or maybe not. But that has become a term used frequently on this board when referring to the Honda oems, and specifically the A02 since it's ISO efficiency has now been tested and published. When compared to other equivalent silicone adbv filters, not that far off the mark.

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#3207246 - 12/05/13 11:56 AM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: Artem]
ZeeOSix Offline


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Originally Posted By: Artem
What makes you think that Honda's engines shed so much material in the first place? What if Honda did extensive testing and found out that their engines barely shed any metal, thus, you can use an oil filter for two OCIs with ease.


Once an engine if fully broken in, I don't think any of them really shed much metal if a good oil and maintenance schedule is used to prevent wear. I think the filter catches more particles like dirt & debris (carbon deposits) that have blown by the rings. On my '04 Altima when I cut open filters and inspect, I find a few little chunks of carbon deposits in the pleats, and that's about it. Any wear metal is probably so small that it doesn't even get caught in the filter, and that's were a filter magnet or magnetic drain plug comes in handy.
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#3208674 - 12/06/13 03:07 PM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: jrustles]
HangFire Offline


Registered: 08/21/13
Posts: 571
Loc: Central Maryland
Originally Posted By: jrustles
How do those toilet paper filters stack up??


Frantz? With $175 down and $3 per approved roll, you don't have to debate about it. They are not cost effective.

For 5K OCI's out to 200K miles, that's 40 filter changes, say $5 per can that's $200.

For Frantz that's 175 + 40*3 or $295.

For 300K miles it's $355 for Frantz versus $300 for cans.

I'll leave the TP versus purpose-made debate to others. Let's just say they're not going on any of my vehicles.

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#3208688 - 12/06/13 03:15 PM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: jrustles]
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In order to answer that, you would have to define what toilet paper is being used, right? I mean, no one would expect a nice soft Charmin to filter the same as a 1000-sheet roll of commercial Scott would they? And what about the Sam's Club Member's Mark? I mean, you could be wiped out using the wrong stuff.

Originally Posted By: jrustles
How do those toilet paper filters stack up??
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#3208881 - 12/06/13 06:37 PM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: txgp17]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 9718
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: txgp17
Guys,
I typically run Mobil 1 or or Purolator PureOne filters on my autos. I know they're great filters.

But I'm searching out the best one I can use in a stand-by generator with a 3-cylinder Kobota engine. And I'd like to only focus on published data from a ISO4548-12 test.

The part number is a Onan 185-5835, and that crosses to
  • Mobil 1 M1-104
  • Purolator PL14459
  • Baldwin B161-S
  • NAPA 1344
  • Amsoil EA15K20
  • Bosch D3312
  • Donaldson P550162
  • and many others too numerous to list
What makes this different is that there are no space limitations, so any filter with M20x1.5mm threads and a gasket about 2.5" in diameter will fit.

For Amsoil, I cannot locate a EaO filter that will fit, only filters from the Ea15 line. And I read about the whole PL14610 versus PL14459 controversy as well.

Of that list of filters I'd likely choose M1-104. They claim a 99.2% efficiency and they use a base end by-pass valve. arrangement.
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#3210991 - 12/09/13 07:23 AM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: txgp17]
David1 Offline


Registered: 06/17/13
Posts: 923
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Originally Posted By: txgp17
Guys,
I typically run Mobil 1 or or Purolator PureOne filters on my autos. I know they're great filters.

But I'm searching out the best one I can use in a stand-by generator with a 3-cylinder Kobota engine. And I'd like to only focus on published data from a ISO4548-12 test.

The part number is a Onan 185-5835, and that crosses to
  • Mobil 1 M1-104
  • Purolator PL14459
  • Baldwin B161-S
  • NAPA 1344
  • Amsoil EA15K20
  • Bosch D3312
  • Donaldson P550162
  • and many others too numerous to list
What makes this different is that there are no space limitations, so any filter with M20x1.5mm threads and a gasket about 2.5" in diameter will fit.

For Amsoil, I cannot locate a EaO filter that will fit, only filters from the Ea15 line. And I read about the whole PL14610 versus PL14459 controversy as well.

I thank you in advance for your input.



I think Fram Ultra is .

FRAM ULTRA SYNTHETIC™

Ultimate dual-layer synthetic media provides greater than 15K miles of coverage1
99% Filtration efficiency2
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#3211119 - 12/09/13 10:32 AM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: txgp17]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 26717
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Royal Purple 10-2808

99% @ 25 microns.
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#3211127 - 12/09/13 10:43 AM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: txgp17]
txgp17 Offline


Registered: 07/28/11
Posts: 22
Loc: NC
So I have a little more info...

I've stumbled upon the PL24458, it seems to be identical to the PL14459, but it's an inch taller. That should keep me in the 20 micron rating with adequate flow. The PL14610 says 40 micron on the box so I'll steer clear.

Another find was the Mobil 1 M1-105. It's short and fat like the PL14459, but it's 3.65' in diameter, compared to the 3.14" of the PL14459 and Mobil 1 M1-104. But I don't know for certain if the larger diameter would translate to more area of filtering media.

Also, Baldwin said the most efficient lube filter they offer with M20x1.5 threads are the B7318, B7334 and B7419, each rated at 25 micron absolute.



And here is the data from Baldwin on the filters I mentioned earlier

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#3211276 - 12/09/13 01:16 PM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: txgp17]
txgp17 Offline


Registered: 07/28/11
Posts: 22
Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: txgp17
I've stumbled upon the PL24458
Bad news, looks like the PL24458 is discontinued.

But I did find the PL14460, identical to the PL14459 except it's bypass valve is 20-25 psi, rather than 12-15 psi.

And the M1-105 was not in stock at Advance Auto.


Edited by txgp17 (12/09/13 01:17 PM)

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#3211300 - 12/09/13 01:32 PM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: txgp17]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 9718
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
I'd certainly choose the Mobil filter over Purolator, Fram Ultra or RP for it's base end patented by-pass valve (although it looks very similar too the WIX by-pass arrangement to me).
What point is a high efficiency, low micron count media if unfiltered oil washes over a dirty element and through the by-pass valve at the bottom of the filter can?
Remember the by-pass valve is open a lot, not just with cold thick oil or a clogged filter but during regular pressure surges such as when an engine is first started.
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#3211352 - 12/09/13 02:34 PM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: txgp17]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 7592
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: txgp17
Originally Posted By: txgp17
I've stumbled upon the PL24458
Bad news, looks like the PL24458 is discontinued.

But I did find the PL14460, identical to the PL14459 except it's bypass valve is 20-25 psi, rather than 12-15 psi.

And the M1-105 was not in stock at Advance Auto.


Says the PL14460 has no ADBV.

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#3211727 - 12/09/13 09:16 PM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: ZeeOSix]
txgp17 Offline


Registered: 07/28/11
Posts: 22
Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Says the PL14460 has no ADBV.
Yeah, I totally missed that. Thanx.

Also, Bosch e-mailed me, stating their Distance Plus filter is absolute efficient at 40 microns. Mobil 1 wants me to call the customer help line.

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#3212611 - 12/10/13 05:23 PM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: txgp17]
txgp17 Offline


Registered: 07/28/11
Posts: 22
Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: txgp17
Mobil 1 wants me to call the customer help line.
Just got off the phone with them, the number was 1-800-882-0890.

The alleged tech guy on the phone said that M1 filters are 95% efficient at 20 microns. I asked if he could recite the different pressure ratings of the bypasses on several filters, he couldn't I specifically inquired about the M1-104, M1-110, and M1-105. Disappointed I was.

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#3212710 - 12/10/13 06:58 PM Re: At present, who makes the MOST efficient filter? [Re: ZeeOSix]
Keith_Stone Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 298
Loc: NC
Kubota 3cyl diesel? It'll make little difference in filter choice. These engines are almost bullet proof. I've had two in Z-machines and always used Napa Gold 1334. These engines can go easily to 15-20k hours on refrigerated reefer units. Try some 5w40 T6 Rotella and your filter of choice.
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