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#3211438 - 12/09/13 03:54 PM Tire Rotation?
hardcore302 Offline


Registered: 11/23/09
Posts: 2416
Loc: Suffolk County, NY
How important is it to rotate your tires? I have heard everything on both ends of the spectrum.

Unilateral tires aside, does it really help with wear much?

What about FWD vs RWD vs AWD?

Thanks.
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#3211443 - 12/09/13 03:58 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
lenjack Offline


Registered: 11/29/03
Posts: 128
Loc: Pennsylvania
Don't be fooled. They rotate every time you drive. Seriously, you do need to get it done. Others will tell you why.
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#3211474 - 12/09/13 04:41 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
Silverado12 Offline


Registered: 02/26/13
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I do mine every 10,000 miles and the tires last a long time. I'm just too lazy to do it every 5K and I'm too cheap to pay someone to do it.
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#3211480 - 12/09/13 04:48 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
djb Offline


Registered: 01/16/06
Posts: 483
Loc: Maryland
BMW recommends that tires not be rotated.

I can see their point. If you are paying someone else to rotate, it doesn't make economic sense. Getting an extra few thousand miles of use isn't worth the cost (even if it is just time spent waiting) or risk of handling anomalies.

I personally don't think that conclusion applies when there is no extra effort or expense. I sometimes take my wheels off just to clean the insides and look for unexpected problems.

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#3211495 - 12/09/13 05:02 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: djb]
BISCUT Offline


Registered: 12/28/11
Posts: 1400
Loc: NewYorkistan
BMW says no rotate.....guessing here but probably when they started paying for these items under warranty. Amazing how trans fluid became "lifetime" and on and on.....

Anyway, tire rotation depends upon the tire in use and the vehicle. 95 Camry in my sig gets Vadersteins.....I got 35k+ outa my set. According to my tire guy, who sells a lot of tires!!!! This is 1500 more than max and 5k more than normal outa these. Rotation made a huge difference with this all silicon tire.

Sometimes a vehicle has 2 much toe or camber you can't really fix and it has an effect. Is what it is time.

Just saying overall if you can do tire rotation every 5k yourself then its a bonus. If paying 20 bux each time.....way out the cost and maybe cheaper long run to replace earlier. All depends upon tire chosen.
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#3211517 - 12/09/13 05:25 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
salv Offline


Registered: 04/21/11
Posts: 1142
Loc: Morrisonville, NY
Hyundai says every 7500 miles. Tire companies know this, so they don't warranty their tires for treadwear if the manufacturer recommendations are not followed.
Also keep in mind that the tires under torque wear different than those that freewheel. Freewheeling will lead to feathering over time. Tires under torque and added weight and stress wear tread faster.
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#3211520 - 12/09/13 05:34 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 13520
Loc: Upstate NY
A rotation at Sears was $13.50. Not too bad. Many places are giving you lifetime tire rotation/balancing if you buy 4 tires from them.

It may also pick up some early tire wear problems. And they get inflated properly.

For the average driver, its a good idea even if its a wash on the cost vs extra tire life.
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#3211532 - 12/09/13 05:40 PM ...more salable [Re: BISCUT]
Kira Offline


Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 1098
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
Hello, The outside edges of front tires wear as they're pushed sideways to change the car's direction.
Rotating tires spreads that wear to all 4 tires and allows you to get "your money's worth" out of the available tread. It's really kind of basic.

Obviously the cost of rotation has to be factored in. It can be easier and cheaper to say, "just put 2 on". That's a basic concept too.

The job doesn't take me any time at all. I get the "20%" more mileage. If I need to sell a car, all the tires are evenly worn, identical and no shoulders are conspicuously bare.

INSPIRATIONAL ANECDOTE: My sister's Jeep had an original unused spare. It was a matching alloy to boot.
I included that "old" tire in the rotation scheme and it kept her from having to buy a set before she sold the car.
That saved money and enabled her to get a better price. Her pert Jeep was made more tidy by even tires. Kira

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#3211535 - 12/09/13 05:43 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
Sequoiasoon Offline


Registered: 01/12/08
Posts: 196
Loc: NY
My Sonata (front wheel drive, manual tranny) wears the fronts at twice the rate of the rears. Rotating them keeps wear even which keeps my handling, wet and snow traction consistent. Soem vehicles (especially AWD get really messed up if there is significant difference between the axles. My father in law didn't rotate. His center diff burnt up on his CRV and cost him $1000+. The front tires wore out, rears had 1/2 tread, the CRV senses slip between and the fluid heats up to force torque to the rears. Unfortunately since thet are spinning at different speeds it never does. Expensive lesson for him.

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#3211552 - 12/09/13 05:55 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: Sequoiasoon]
Keith_Stone Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 298
Loc: NC
My experience is front wheel drive compacts and mini-vans are rough on tires. My truck not so much. I pay $18.00 here for a rotation. My daughters Accent is rough on tires with her driving like Earnhardt.
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#3211577 - 12/09/13 06:27 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
Eddie Offline


Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 6755
Loc: Florida, Cape Coral
I measure tread depth and rotate when ft to back difference exceeds ~ 2/32 inch. This happens about 8-12,000 miles. I go to my local Walmarts where they use a torque wrench to tighten lug nuts-no kidding and this for $12 + tax. ed
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#3211602 - 12/09/13 06:54 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
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Registered: 01/27/04
Posts: 2444
Loc: Richmond, VA
$40 gets you a tire rotation, $0 gets you no one touching your car and messing stuff up. I choose the low cost option.


Edited by Barkleymut (12/09/13 06:54 PM)
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#3211606 - 12/09/13 06:58 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: BISCUT]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25909
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: BISCUT
BMW says no rotate.....guessing here but probably when they started paying for these items under warranty.

BMW claims that rotating tires may cause undesirable handling issues. Typically, a BMW will have a good amount of negative rear camber which will cause it's rear tires to wear unevenly. Now throw these unevenly worn tires on the front, and all of a sudden your Ultimate Driving Machine's handling gets out of whack, at least in theory...

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2104815/Re:_BMW_Tire_Rotation#Post2104815
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#3211625 - 12/09/13 07:20 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
gaijinnv Offline


Registered: 02/14/13
Posts: 233
Loc: Nevada, USA
Originally Posted By: hardcore302
How important is it to rotate your tires? I have heard everything on both ends of the spectrum.

Unilateral tires aside, does it really help with wear much?

What about FWD vs RWD vs AWD?

Thanks.


Here's a great article on TireRack.com that should answer all your questions: Tire Rotation Instructions

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#3211661 - 12/09/13 08:03 PM Re: Tire Rotation? [Re: hardcore302]
bowlofturtle Offline


Registered: 06/25/09
Posts: 419
Loc: Chicago
i normally thought BMW's reason again rotation were because the wheels and/or tires were staggered.

I just rotate whenever i can, which is once a year.
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