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#3211899 - 12/10/13 01:20 AM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: martinq]
martinq Offline


Registered: 07/22/05
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... maybe it was back in the 50's and 60's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,000_mile_myth
With the advent of oil filters in the 1920s and their popularization later on, car manufacturers extended the oil use duration up to 3,000 miles.

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Edited by martinq (12/10/13 01:20 AM)

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#3211974 - 12/10/13 06:43 AM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: martinq]
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Originally Posted By: martinq
Originally Posted By: uart
Sure, they say 3000 miles. But to be honest I don't see any problem with it.

But why continue to promote misinformation? When was the last decade where the typical change was 3k miles?!


To be fair, many, MANY cars on the road today still have short change intervals for "severe" driving styles, which probably includes a good majority of viewers in New Jersey (and in much of the country). Many vehicles call for 3,750 mile change intervals for severe driving, and 7,500 mile change intervals for normal driving.

A 3,000 mile interval is a safe, if possibly overly conservative, recommendation. It's also familiar to a lot of people; folks are more likely to relate to a story (and listen to it) if they're hearing things that validate what they already know.
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#3212997 - 12/11/13 01:31 AM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: martinq]
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Part 1 is up:
http://newjersey.news12.com/news/kiyc-motor-oils-put-to-the-test-1.6579785?firstfree=yes

A Kane in Your Corner investigation finds motor oil not suitable for cars is for sale at gas stations and convenience stores in New Jersey. (12/10/13)
...
Parts two and three will cover what is being done about this threat to your car engines, and what you can do to protect yourselves.


Edited by martinq (12/11/13 01:34 AM)

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#3213087 - 12/11/13 06:30 AM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: martinq]
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Originally Posted By: martinq
A Kane in Your Corner investigation finds motor oil not suitable for cars is for sale at gas stations and convenience stores in New Jersey.

Hmmm, maybe big oil should clamp down a bit. While I haven't seen much garbage up here, Esso, for instance, is putting a lot of non-Imperial Oil stuff on their shelves. Fortunately, that stuff is PYB and QSGB and not City Star. At least we seem to be spared much of that up here.

I suspect a Petro-Canada manager would be torn a new one if he carried anything except Petro-Canada oils.
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#3213258 - 12/11/13 09:44 AM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: martinq]
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The News12 site also has 26 minutes of video interviews with Tom Glenn, founder and president of PQIA.

PQIA Interview

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#3213609 - 12/11/13 04:36 PM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Hmmm, maybe big oil should clamp down a bit. While I haven't seen much garbage up here, Esso, for instance, is putting a lot of non-Imperial Oil stuff on their shelves. Fortunately, that stuff is PYB and QSGB and not City Star. At least we seem to be spared much of that up here.

I suspect a Petro-Canada manager would be torn a new one if he carried anything except Petro-Canada oils.



They can't. The franchising agreements don't give them control over what's sold in the station. It's why you'll see some Mobil stations selling only Coke products, others selling Pepsi, and some selling both.
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#3213632 - 12/11/13 05:02 PM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: Tom NJ]
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Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
The News12 site also has 26 minutes of video interviews with Tom Glenn, founder and president of PQIA.

PQIA Interview

Tom NJ


That interviewer/reporter should be shot. He keeps asking the same thing over and over. I feel bad for Tom having to respond to this.
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#3213656 - 12/11/13 05:33 PM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: Tom NJ]
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Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
The News12 site also has 26 minutes of video interviews with Tom Glenn, founder and president of PQIA.
PQIA Interview

If you don't have an account, this link should work:
http://newjersey.news12.com/multimedia/k...3?firstfree=yes

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#3213716 - 12/11/13 06:37 PM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: martinq]
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Part 2 is up:
http://newjersey.news12.com/news/kiyc-part-2-motor-oil-regulation-1.6589108?firstfree=yes

A Kane In Your Corner investigation finds consumers are on their own when it comes to protecting themselves against unsafe motor oil sold at New Jersey gas stations and convenience stores. The state of New Jersey does little to regulate the quality of motor oil sold, the investigation finds, and buying motor oil at well-known gas station chains is no guarantee that the oil sold inside will be safe.


Edited by martinq (12/11/13 06:38 PM)

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#3213749 - 12/11/13 06:59 PM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Fortunately, that stuff is PYB and QSGB and not City Star. At least we seem to be spared much of that up here.



Dude, I saw City Star the other day in a Toronto area convenience store, could not believe it!!

That means they actually export it and someone agrees to import it, then another person picks it out of a catalogue (presumably) and sells it - that's a lot of logistical effort for such dangerous [censored] crzy
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#3214083 - 12/12/13 04:35 AM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: dparm
They can't. The franchising agreements don't give them control over what's sold in the station. It's why you'll see some Mobil stations selling only Coke products, others selling Pepsi, and some selling both.

That's the unfortunate thing. Petro-Canada obviously deals with things differently, as does Shell up here.

@jrustles: That's not good. How much can they possibly save by buying this garbage?
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#3214146 - 12/12/13 06:59 AM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: martinq]
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Originally Posted By: martinq
Originally Posted By: uart
Sure, they say 3000 miles. But to be honest I don't see any problem with it.

But why continue to promote misinformation? When was the last decade where the typical change was 3k miles?!


Shops, dealerships and oil change garages all over the nation still continue to put that 3000 mile oci sticker up in the corner of the windshield.
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#3214309 - 12/12/13 09:47 AM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: dlundblad]
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Shops, dealerships and oil change garages all over the nation still continue to put that 3000 mile oci sticker up in the corner of the windshield.
Money. Scare the customer into thinking his engine will self-destruct if he goes 3001 miles.

Once had a Jiffy Lube "technician" (and yes I know...the company owns the van so I have to take it where they say) argue with me about going 5,000 miles...he said "Alright, if want to ruin your motor, go ahead". Good thing I have self-control when I'm wearing the company uniform.
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#3214676 - 12/12/13 04:01 PM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: martinq]
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Is part 3 out yet?
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#3214824 - 12/12/13 06:59 PM Re: Bad Oil Promo is Bad - PQIA & News12 NJ [Re: martinq]
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Even though I don't follow it, two of my cars have a firm 3,750 mile oil change interval for normal service per Nissan - and recommended ATF change every 30k. Luckily no service is recommended after 120k, so I am good.

But, my point is that there are still relatively new cars that call for just over 3k oil changes.
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