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#3210885 - 12/08/13 10:24 PM Help Selecting a Motor Oil
TwoCan Offline


Registered: 11/30/13
Posts: 5
Loc: West Coast U.S.A.
I am searching for best full synthetic 5W-30 motor oil that offers maximum possible protection for my engine. I would like to get 300,000 miles out of the engine.

Cost is not an issue so disregard price of oil when making a recommendation.

Vehicle: 2009 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 with a 4.7 V8
Mileage: 40,000
Oil: Full synthetic 5W-30
Oil capacity including filter: 7 Quarts
Oil filter used: Mobil 1 modal M1-209
Oil and oil filter change interval: 5000 miles

Additional equipment: 2 x FilterMag RA300 magnets attached to either side of the oil filter.

Driving conditions: 40% city and 60% highway. Short trips less than 4 miles from a cold start are common. Long trips are usually no more than 20 miles one way. I rarely encounter stop and go traffic and do not let the engine idle for prolong periods of time. Engine idle at stop lights is typical.

There are lots of hills where I live so I am either driving up a hill or down a hill. Yearly temperature averages from 36 F to 90 F where I live. I am light on the throttle, rarely spinning the engine above 2500 RPM. I do not tow a trailer and I do not take the 4runner off road.

Synthetic oils I am considering listed in no particular order:

Eneos 5W-30
Eneos Sustina 5W-30
Motul 8100 Eco 5W-30
Lubrication Engineers 8531 5W-30
Red Line 5W-30
Total Quartz Ineo MC3 5W-30
Idemitsu 5W-30
Amsoil XL 5W-30
Amsoil ASL 5W-30
Mobil 1 5W-30
Mobil 1 Extended 5W-30
Mobil 1 High Mileage 5W-30

Your insight is greatly appreciated, and of course, feel free to suggest an oil if itís not listed above.

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#3210889 - 12/08/13 10:33 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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No PU?
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#3210893 - 12/08/13 10:38 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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Pick up some Mobil 1 5w-30 at Walmart and call it a day. No need to go overboard with the other oils that are much harder to find. M1 is up to the task and has a massive following.
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#3210897 - 12/08/13 10:47 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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Any approved oil when changed at the appropriate interval should see you to 300K. Historically, Toyota engines are very durable and last seemingly forever. Aside from the M1 (and that could be questioned as well and I realize that you said cost is no object) but all of these oils will go far past 5K and most of them are fairly expensive.

Any OTC synthetic or synthetic blend would serve you well, so Mobil 1, Pennzoil Ultra or Platinum, Quaker State Ultimate Durability, Valvoline SynPower, Castrol Edge, etc. would be on my short list (if synthetics must be selected). The key term that you have in your post is "maximum possible protection"; how do you define this and protection from what?
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#3210903 - 12/08/13 10:58 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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Oil quality is only part of the equation to engine longevity.

Others including (but not limited solely to): proper tune up, proper(high quality, OEM) air filter, proper PCV maintenance, conservative OCI, etc.

Once you manage to observe all these, I wouldn't doubt that your engine is going to easily last beyond 200k or more.

Q.
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#3210906 - 12/08/13 11:22 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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Pennzoil Ultra or Platinum 5w30. Filter mags should keep your iron wear and partical count low.
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#3210910 - 12/08/13 11:36 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: CHARLIEBRONSON21]
TwoCan Offline


Registered: 11/30/13
Posts: 5
Loc: West Coast U.S.A.
Originally Posted By: CHARLIEBRONSON21
No PU?

What is PU?

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#3210912 - 12/08/13 11:40 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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You are not towing and you are not off roading...why the super expensive oils. Just because something costs more does not ALWAYS equal better. In your case conventional oil would get you a long long way but any major brand syn would be more than adequate. M1, Edge, Synpower or the SOPUS oils like QSUD (awesome and reasonable) PP. You have a 7qt Sump so plenty of fresh oil in that engine. M1 0w30 is another good choice.
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#3210920 - 12/09/13 12:12 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: TwoCan
I am searching for best full synthetic 5W-30 motor oil that offers maximum possible protection for my engine. I would like to get 300,000 miles out of the engine.

You could get that out of any conventional on the shelf. A synthetic won't make the engine last longer. The oil might last longer, but with your particular OCI, that's not an issue.

If you're not buying based on price, you're not extending OCIs, and we know that any oil meeting the specifications will get you as far as you want to go, there's not much help we can offer.

If you're looking for an oil that's going to perform much "better" than other oils when you're not really asking a lot from them, you're not going to find one. There's no magic bullet to make engines last forever and you're certainly not taxing the oil.
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#3210925 - 12/09/13 12:36 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
bvance554 Offline


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Posts: 1746
Loc: VA
I can get 300k with conventional oil easily. Those fancy oils aren't going to get you anything that a standard Mobil or Pennzoil will. But its your money.

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#3210927 - 12/09/13 12:41 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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They put a V8 in a 4Runner? I thought they only put V8s in the Tundra.

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#3210932 - 12/09/13 01:33 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: Merkava_4]
TwoCan Offline


Registered: 11/30/13
Posts: 5
Loc: West Coast U.S.A.
When looking at oil specifications, besides the viscosity grade, what is the order of importance of the fallowing specs?
Viscosity Index
HTHS
Flash Point
Pour Point

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#3210938 - 12/09/13 03:11 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 18706
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: TwoCan
When looking at oil specifications, besides the viscosity grade, what is the order of importance of the fallowing specs?

You really know how to open a can of worms. wink HTHS is important, but if you're choosing an ILSAC rated 5w-30, it'll be much the same, regardless of choice. The only time you'll really see a thicker 5w-30 (as in higher HTHS) is if you're looking at a 5w-30 HDEO or a 5w-30 A3/B3 A3/B4 European oil.

For VI, it depends upon who you ask. I don't hunt for high VI oils, but I do pay attention to the spec and I'd ignore low VI oils - i.e. there's little reason to pay attention to 10w-30 or monogrades these days in average gasoline applications.

I wouldn't worry much about flash point, unless a synthetic shows a much lower flash point than other competitive synthetics. We don't usually see problems there. Pour point can usually be ignored; it has limited significance. Given my climate, I'd be more inclined to pay attention to cold cranking type specifications than pour point. I've seen 15w-40 grades with pour points below -40. That doesn't mean I want to be cranking with that in the sump at that temperature.
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#3210951 - 12/09/13 05:39 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
SwedishRider Offline


Registered: 10/13/13
Posts: 501
Loc: not Sweden
Consider G-OIL's full synthetic 5W-30 oils:

http://getg.com/G-OIL_motor_oils.php

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Earth-Technologies-1164-Bio-Based/dp/B00BNVBE46/

I'm using the 5W-20 now (posted a few VOAs here). I've seen a VOA or two on their 5W-30 here as well. Good stuff.

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#3210973 - 12/09/13 06:55 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
R80RS Offline


Registered: 06/05/13
Posts: 977
Loc: Wisconsin USA
Originally Posted By: TwoCan
Originally Posted By: CHARLIEBRONSON21
No PU?

What is PU?


Pennzoil Ultra.
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#3210984 - 12/09/13 07:15 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
KD0AXS Offline


Registered: 11/13/12
Posts: 2057
Loc: Nowthen, MN
For a 5000 mile OCI, use any quality name brand conventional oil in the recommended grade and a good quality filter. If the vehicle doesn't last you 300,000 miles, it's not because of the oil.
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#3210988 - 12/09/13 07:22 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
CourierDriver Offline


Registered: 12/27/09
Posts: 3992
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5w40 shell T6, set it and forget it.
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#3210994 - 12/09/13 07:27 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: Garak]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9782
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: cheesepuffs
Pick up some Mobil 1 5w-30 at Walmart and call it a day. No need to go overboard with the other oils that are much harder to find. M1 is up to the task and has a massive following.


Huh?
Why even bother with synthetic at 5000 mile intervals? Any of today's rconventionals are capable of 5000 mile intervals so why spend more with no return on the extra expense.
Synthetic oils aren't magic. They are formulated with longer drains in mind. If running such a short interval there is no point whatsoever in spending more for a synthetic.


Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: TwoCan
I am searching for best full synthetic 5W-30 motor oil that offers maximum possible protection for my engine. I would like to get 300,000 miles out of the engine.

You could get that out of any conventional on the shelf. A synthetic won't make the engine last longer. The oil might last longer, but with your particular OCI, that's not an issue.

If you're not buying based on price, you're not extending OCIs, and we know that any oil meeting the specifications will get you as far as you want to go, there's not much help we can offer.

If you're looking for an oil that's going to perform much "better" than other oils when you're not really asking a lot from them, you're not going to find one. There's no magic bullet to make engines last forever and you're certainly not taxing the oil.



And that about covers it. The engine isn't being asked of much from the original posts description nor is it going very far so there is no reason to spend more money on an oil that achieves nothing better in performance and protection for the miles driven
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#3211001 - 12/09/13 07:35 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
dave1251 Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 8073
Loc: Maricopa, AZ
I am using PYB for around 10K OCI's in a F150 FX4 no problems at all.

I use my truck as a truck also in one of the hottest places in the United States. I do not buy into the whole "conventional" and "synthetic" labeling on the bottle. I go and purchase what is on sale that meets the manufactures engine specifications and then forget it.

Sorry if/when my truck engine dies it will not be because of motor oil.
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#3211034 - 12/09/13 08:29 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: dave1251]
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Originally Posted By: dave1251
I do not buy into the whole "conventional" and "synthetic" labeling on the bottle. I go and purchase what is on sale that meets the manufactures engine specifications and then forget it.


Seems to be the most reasonable post in this thread.

The manufacturer tested with the specified oil (whatever spec that would be ... API, Ford WS). As long as you use an oil that meets those specs (conventional / syn, doesn't matter), you will be safe for the recommended interval.

I would have no problems running up to 7500 in my Focus on a conventional that meets ford's spec for 5w-20 oil.
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#3211067 - 12/09/13 09:24 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
qdeezie Offline


Registered: 08/10/10
Posts: 1237
Loc: Charlotte, NC
For what it's worth, I just got rid of a vehicle with 359,000+ miles that I owned since it had 8,000 miles on it. For the first 300,000 I ran Mobil 1 and Exxon Superflo synthetic (when they used to make it). Around 300k miles, I switched over to Pennzoil Platinum. My OCIs were 6k to 7k the entire time. The car still ran just as good as new when I got rid of it. Honestly, if it wasn't a base model vehicle with no power options other than A/C, I would have held on to it.

Choose the synthetic oil that you consider to be your favorite or try a few (that meet your engine specs) and stick with the one your vehicle "likes" the most. What I mean by "likes the most" is one you notice a better behavior from such as reduced engine noise and increased smoothness.

My opinion is that any decent synthetic will get you to 300k as long as you keep the oil changed, use a good quality oil filter, ensure that your PCV system works normally and address any cooling system or fuel system issues immediately.
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#3211072 - 12/09/13 09:28 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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One more thing to add. If you are stuck on a 5000 mile OCI, honestly speaking, go with a top notch conventional (that meets your engine specs) and save your money. If you are trying to drive it til it croaks, go with a synthetic and increase your OCIs.
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#3211081 - 12/09/13 09:51 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: qdeezie]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 9782
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: qdeezie
For what it's worth, I just got rid of a vehicle with 359,000+ miles that I owned since it had 8,000 miles on it. For the first 300,000 I ran Mobil 1 and Exxon Superflo synthetic (when they used to make it). Around 300k miles, I switched over to Pennzoil Platinum. My OCIs were 6k to 7k the entire time. The car still ran just as good as new when I got rid of it. Honestly, if it wasn't a base model vehicle with no power options other than A/C, I would have held on to it.

Choose the synthetic oil that you consider to be your favorite or try a few (that meet your engine specs) and stick with the one your vehicle "likes" the most. What I mean by "likes the most" is one you notice a better behavior from such as reduced engine noise and increased smoothness.

My opinion is that any decent synthetic will get you to 300k as long as you keep the oil changed, use a good quality oil filter, ensure that your PCV system works normally and address any cooling system or fuel system issues immediately.



Any oil will get a modern engine to 300000 miles. Any oil,changed at proper intervals.
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#3211085 - 12/09/13 09:57 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: Clevy]
qdeezie Offline


Registered: 08/10/10
Posts: 1237
Loc: Charlotte, NC
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: qdeezie
For what it's worth, I just got rid of a vehicle with 359,000+ miles that I owned since it had 8,000 miles on it. For the first 300,000 I ran Mobil 1 and Exxon Superflo synthetic (when they used to make it). Around 300k miles, I switched over to Pennzoil Platinum. My OCIs were 6k to 7k the entire time. The car still ran just as good as new when I got rid of it. Honestly, if it wasn't a base model vehicle with no power options other than A/C, I would have held on to it.

Choose the synthetic oil that you consider to be your favorite or try a few (that meet your engine specs) and stick with the one your vehicle "likes" the most. What I mean by "likes the most" is one you notice a better behavior from such as reduced engine noise and increased smoothness.

My opinion is that any decent synthetic will get you to 300k as long as you keep the oil changed, use a good quality oil filter, ensure that your PCV system works normally and address any cooling system or fuel system issues immediately.



Any oil will get a modern engine to 300000 miles. Any oil,changed at proper intervals.


I'll keep this in mind the next time I see City Star motor oil on sale. grin
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#3211093 - 12/09/13 10:05 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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Pennzoil Platinum, Quaker State Ultimate Durability, Mobil 1. All of those are great OTC synthetic oils available at Walmart for a great price. Fram TG, Fram Ultra, and Puro Classic are filters available at Walmart also, of those three I would use the TG.
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#3211804 - 12/09/13 10:46 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: qdeezie]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 18706
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: qdeezie
I'll keep this in mind the next time I see City Star motor oil on sale.

That doesn't count, being unlicensed and meeting zero approvals. wink It has as much in common with real motor oil as does baby oil.
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#3211853 - 12/09/13 11:44 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: qdeezie]
bvance554 Offline


Registered: 09/24/12
Posts: 1746
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: qdeezie
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: qdeezie
For what it's worth, I just got rid of a vehicle with 359,000+ miles that I owned since it had 8,000 miles on it. For the first 300,000 I ran Mobil 1 and Exxon Superflo synthetic (when they used to make it). Around 300k miles, I switched over to Pennzoil Platinum. My OCIs were 6k to 7k the entire time. The car still ran just as good as new when I got rid of it. Honestly, if it wasn't a base model vehicle with no power options other than A/C, I would have held on to it.

Choose the synthetic oil that you consider to be your favorite or try a few (that meet your engine specs) and stick with the one your vehicle "likes" the most. What I mean by "likes the most" is one you notice a better behavior from such as reduced engine noise and increased smoothness.

My opinion is that any decent synthetic will get you to 300k as long as you keep the oil changed, use a good quality oil filter, ensure that your PCV system works normally and address any cooling system or fuel system issues immediately.



Any oil will get a modern engine to 300000 miles. Any oil,changed at proper intervals.


I'll keep this in mind the next time I see City Star motor oil on sale. grin


He said good, meaning that it meets specs. Lets not be foolish and think that your mileage was due to the 'synthetic' oil. So many have had the same experience as you on regular old conventional oil grin

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#3211951 - 12/10/13 04:59 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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Driving habits have a bigger impact on engine longevity than the brand of oil you use.Don't drink the kool aid.
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#3216326 - 12/14/13 09:54 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
CourierDriver Offline


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Yep, dont drink the Kool aid, Jim Jones did that once....
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#3218677 - 12/16/13 03:53 PM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
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Registered: 11/30/13
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Loc: West Coast U.S.A.
Thank you everyone for your input.


Edited by TwoCan (12/16/13 03:54 PM)

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#3219121 - 12/17/13 12:14 AM Re: Help Selecting a Motor Oil [Re: TwoCan]
Kuato Offline


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Amazed that lots of folks didn't seem to read your original post.

I am partial to Amsoil.
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