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#3210846 - 12/08/13 09:31 PM Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)?
blackman777 Offline


Registered: 01/08/13
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I had good results with Toyota and Mobil 0w-20 in my Insight. I was thinking I'd run them in the Civic hybrid too.

Trivia: The Insight uses only 2.4 quarts.

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#3210883 - 12/08/13 10:20 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: blackman777]
CHARLIEBRONSON21 Offline


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Not a fan of M1 myself but the 0W20 AFE has some good specs. I'd go that route.
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#3210895 - 12/08/13 10:40 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: CHARLIEBRONSON21]
gregk24 Offline


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Originally Posted By: CHARLIEBRONSON21
Not a fan of M1 myself but the 0W20 AFE has some good specs. I'd go that route.


What specs might you be talking about? The add pack is pretty weak.
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#3210899 - 12/08/13 10:50 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: gregk24]
Rand Offline


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Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: CHARLIEBRONSON21
Not a fan of M1 myself but the 0W20 AFE has some good specs. I'd go that route.


What specs might you be talking about? The add pack is pretty weak.


because all additives show in a VOA/UOA right?
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#3210902 - 12/08/13 10:56 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: Rand]
2015_PSD Offline


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Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: CHARLIEBRONSON21
Not a fan of M1 myself but the 0W20 AFE has some good specs. I'd go that route.

What specs might you be talking about? The add pack is pretty weak.

because all additives show in a VOA/UOA right?

Too right and actual usage never trumps a lab test, right? Way too many users of M1 products seeing good results and longevity for them to be "weak".
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#3210908 - 12/08/13 11:24 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: blackman777]
901Memphis Offline


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TGMO 0w20 was designed for the start stop cycles of the prius so it should work well in your hybrid too.
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#3211075 - 12/09/13 09:38 AM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: 2015_PSD]
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
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Loc: FL, USA
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: CHARLIEBRONSON21
Not a fan of M1 myself but the 0W20 AFE has some good specs. I'd go that route.

What specs might you be talking about? The add pack is pretty weak.

because all additives show in a VOA/UOA right?

Too right and actual usage never trumps a lab test, right? Way too many users of M1 products seeing good results and longevity for them to be "weak".


Did I say that? NO....but he said it had good specs, Im wondering what good specs it has. I have considered using it next OCI instead of TGMO but the add pack was the only thing holding me back.
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#3211321 - 12/09/13 01:53 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: gregk24]
2015_PSD Offline


Registered: 09/26/10
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Originally Posted By: gregk24
Did I say that? NO....

Did you say what? The additive pack in M1 AFE 0W-20 is weak? Why yes, you did say that.
Originally Posted By: gregk24
What specs might you be talking about? The add pack is pretty weak.

Is that not what you meant or?
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#3211339 - 12/09/13 02:23 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: blackman777]
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I'm not one for the blind VI hype pushed on this site, but I do think hybrids are a good application for those oils. I'd use the Toyota oil.


Edited by vinu_neuro (12/09/13 02:24 PM)
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#3211342 - 12/09/13 02:25 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: vinu_neuro]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
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Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
I'm not one for the blind VI hype pushed on this site, but I do think hybrids are a good application for those oils. I'd use the Toyota oil.


Agreed. That's what the high VI oils were first formulated for,the start stop run cycles.
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#3211806 - 12/09/13 10:49 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: 2015_PSD]
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
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Loc: FL, USA
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Did I say that? NO....

Did you say what? The additive pack in M1 AFE 0W-20 is weak? Why yes, you did say that.
Originally Posted By: gregk24
What specs might you be talking about? The add pack is pretty weak.

Is that not what you meant or?


No, dont twist words. As far as VOA/UOA go, M1 0w20 does have a weak add pack. There may be other additives that we dont know about though. But as long as I can keep getting TGMO for $6 per quart after tax I will probably keep running that, knowing that its the thinnest oil available on start up for the price, where I live anyway.
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#3211965 - 12/10/13 06:19 AM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: gregk24]
2015_PSD Offline


Registered: 09/26/10
Posts: 5436
Loc: SE Texas
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Did I say that? NO....

Did you say what? The additive pack in M1 AFE 0W-20 is weak? Why yes, you did say that.
Originally Posted By: gregk24
What specs might you be talking about? The add pack is pretty weak.

Is that not what you meant or?

No, dont twist words. As far as VOA/UOA go, M1 0w20 does have a weak add pack. There may be other additives that we dont know about though. But as long as I can keep getting TGMO for $6 per quart after tax I will probably keep running that, knowing that its the thinnest oil available on start up for the price, where I live anyway.

I do not believe that I twisted anything since it is a direct quote, but I am not going to quibble over small stuff. I think this is a good example of why VOAs are not the be-all end-all to determine if an additive pack is robust or weak since it is apparent that AFE can be ran for more than 10K with several doing it here. I ran it for more than 15K and it produced the best UOA to date in my FX4 and if it was a one-off UOA I would agree that it could be argued, but since it was #19 there is historical data that can be trended.

Out of curiosity, why would you need to be so concerned over "the thinnest oil available on start up for the price" while living in Florida? Much like Texas, Florida will never see the temperatures needed to warrant the use of the thinnest oil at start-up. Any 5W-xx or 0W-xx oil would be more than thin enough. Is this an experiment of sorts or (no sarcasm--just interested)?
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#3212127 - 12/10/13 09:36 AM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: 2015_PSD]
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 4318
Loc: FL, USA
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Did I say that? NO....

Did you say what? The additive pack in M1 AFE 0W-20 is weak? Why yes, you did say that.
Originally Posted By: gregk24
What specs might you be talking about? The add pack is pretty weak.

Is that not what you meant or?

No, dont twist words. As far as VOA/UOA go, M1 0w20 does have a weak add pack. There may be other additives that we dont know about though. But as long as I can keep getting TGMO for $6 per quart after tax I will probably keep running that, knowing that its the thinnest oil available on start up for the price, where I live anyway.

I do not believe that I twisted anything since it is a direct quote, but I am not going to quibble over small stuff. I think this is a good example of why VOAs are not the be-all end-all to determine if an additive pack is robust or weak since it is apparent that AFE can be ran for more than 10K with several doing it here. I ran it for more than 15K and it produced the best UOA to date in my FX4 and if it was a one-off UOA I would agree that it could be argued, but since it was #19 there is historical data that can be trended.

Out of curiosity, why would you need to be so concerned over "the thinnest oil available on start up for the price" while living in Florida? Much like Texas, Florida will never see the temperatures needed to warrant the use of the thinnest oil at start-up. Any 5W-xx or 0W-xx oil would be more than thin enough. Is this an experiment of sorts or (no sarcasm--just interested)?


I use it because the driving I do involves multiple starts per day, and all of these are less than 5 mile trips. Most though are literally less than 1 mile.
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#3212130 - 12/10/13 09:39 AM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: blackman777]
Redpatches Offline


Registered: 02/28/11
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I've run both M1 and TGMO 0W-20 in my Prius with no problems. I would also consider trying Pennzoil Platinum as well. grin
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#3212319 - 12/10/13 12:57 PM Re: Oil for Civic lean-burn engine (hybrid)? [Re: blackman777]
gpshumway Offline


Registered: 06/18/08
Posts: 417
Loc: Minneapolis, MN
Well, Honda doesn't seem to think that hi-VI is that important given they switched from the 200 VI Idemitsu 0w20 to the P66 with ~175 VI.

If you're willing to hunt it down Kendall GT-1 should be good and amounts to using the factory oil. Otherwise M1 AFE is the most available and has great specs. Pennzoil Platinum is just slightly less available and will also do very well. I think you're over-thinking this, I believe the engine in a Civic hybrid is an L-series similar to the Fit's engine only with semi-Atkinson valve timing, they're not very picky.

Oh, and Greg- M1 AFE meeting ACEA A1/B1, Ford WSS-M2C945-A and dexos1 trumps anything you might think you can tell about the additive package from a $30 lab analysis. If there's anything weak about M1 AFE it's the shear stability.
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