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#3206818 - 12/05/13 12:12 AM Re: Good oil for lightly driven '09 Passat? [Re: edyvw]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1766
Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yeah I just saw I put A4.
Anyway, VW503.00, 506.00, 506.01, are long drain for PD engines.
Interestingly enough, same engines require VW 505.01! VW 506.00 and VW503.00 were used in ONLY best conditions possible. Any harder conditions required VW 505.01 (more sulfur in diesel fuel, dusty roads etc).
I know because I still own car in Europe with PD diesel engine. Those oils were used to improve gas mileage, but ONLY under certain conditions, which tells a lot. Still, I have not seen anyone using that oil in PD engines!
I would say you need more info on this matter!


Why would you want to use a low HTHS oil in a pd engine?

If you don't use a specific PD oil it will eat the cam.

I think you may need to look into why low HTHS oils were introduced, sulphur level in fuel wasn't a big issue when the Zetec engine came out in the mk1 Mondeo back in '92 and using the wrong oil caused valves to get sticky and caused misfires.

Not sure of the relevance of still owning a car in Europe though.

Europe is a big place with difference fuel specifications

I certainly wouldn't use the same oil and OCI if I lived and drove in say Spain or Portugal as I do in the UK
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#3206829 - 12/05/13 12:34 AM Re: Good oil for lightly driven '09 Passat? [Re: bigjl]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 2462
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yeah I just saw I put A4.
Anyway, VW503.00, 506.00, 506.01, are long drain for PD engines.
Interestingly enough, same engines require VW 505.01! VW 506.00 and VW503.00 were used in ONLY best conditions possible. Any harder conditions required VW 505.01 (more sulfur in diesel fuel, dusty roads etc).
I know because I still own car in Europe with PD diesel engine. Those oils were used to improve gas mileage, but ONLY under certain conditions, which tells a lot. Still, I have not seen anyone using that oil in PD engines!
I would say you need more info on this matter!


Why would you want to use a low HTHS oil in a pd engine?

If you don't use a specific PD oil it will eat the cam.

I think you may need to look into why low HTHS oils were introduced, sulphur level in fuel wasn't a big issue when the Zetec engine came out in the mk1 Mondeo back in '92 and using the wrong oil caused valves to get sticky and caused misfires.

Not sure of the relevance of still owning a car in Europe though.

Europe is a big place with difference fuel specifications

I certainly wouldn't use the same oil and OCI if I lived and drove in say Spain or Portugal as I do in the UK



No, you misunderstood me. VW503.00 was used in first VW PD engines (1.9 101ps, 115ps) as long drain. later VW 506.00 and .01 were used in some engines, but in very few applications, and VW went back to HTHS 3.5 and above on all engines.
I said I own this engine still just to say I do have experience with this application.
However, I yet to see someone to use in PD engine oil that has HTHS less then 3.5cst.
My opinion is that VW played a little bit with these energy saving oils, and just abandoned it.
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#3206848 - 12/05/13 01:16 AM Re: Good oil for lightly driven '09 Passat? [Re: bigjl]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 18023
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: bigjl
By A5 I assume you mean A5/B5 as I have never seen an oil just meet the petrol standard

You may read that quirk from some of us in North America. Some synthetic oils here claim the A5 and ignore the B5, for whatever reason, in print on their sheets or the bottles. They're generally ILSAC rated oils anyhow, and see the insides of few if any diesels. wink Oddly enough, one of the Korean manufacturers has been listing A5 in their manuals, without the B5. I don't know if such wording is seen anywhere in Europe.
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#3207015 - 12/05/13 08:30 AM Re: Good oil for lightly driven '09 Passat? [Re: Garak]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
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Loc: London, England
I have seen mention of just one standard in the owners manual of my TX4 Taxi in that case it mentioned B4, B5 I seem to remember

It might be simply because diesels are still relatively uncommon in the US?

I have read about people using diesel spec oil in a petrol engine as they are considered more robust

I always thought the oil companies saw this and made oils that matched both specs as it was cheaper
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#3207149 - 12/05/13 10:39 AM Re: Good oil for lightly driven '09 Passat? [Re: bigjl]
UG_Passat Offline


Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 1279
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yeah I just saw I put A4.
Anyway, VW503.00, 506.00, 506.01, are long drain for PD engines.
Interestingly enough, same engines require VW 505.01! VW 506.00 and VW503.00 were used in ONLY best conditions possible. Any harder conditions required VW 505.01 (more sulfur in diesel fuel, dusty roads etc).
I know because I still own car in Europe with PD diesel engine. Those oils were used to improve gas mileage, but ONLY under certain conditions, which tells a lot. Still, I have not seen anyone using that oil in PD engines!
I would say you need more info on this matter!


Why would you want to use a low HTHS oil in a pd engine?

If you don't use a specific PD oil it will eat the cam.



If you do use a PD specific oil, it will still eat the cam.

many of the PD owners here use a Heavy Duty Diesel Oil instead.

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#3207160 - 12/05/13 10:50 AM Re: Good oil for lightly driven '09 Passat? [Re: UG_Passat]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 2462
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yeah I just saw I put A4.
Anyway, VW503.00, 506.00, 506.01, are long drain for PD engines.
Interestingly enough, same engines require VW 505.01! VW 506.00 and VW503.00 were used in ONLY best conditions possible. Any harder conditions required VW 505.01 (more sulfur in diesel fuel, dusty roads etc).
I know because I still own car in Europe with PD diesel engine. Those oils were used to improve gas mileage, but ONLY under certain conditions, which tells a lot. Still, I have not seen anyone using that oil in PD engines!
I would say you need more info on this matter!


Why would you want to use a low HTHS oil in a pd engine?

If you don't use a specific PD oil it will eat the cam.



If you do use a PD specific oil, it will still eat the cam.

many of the PD owners here use a Heavy Duty Diesel Oil instead.


I had several PD cars, always used Shell Helix, OMV or Castrol 505.01 5W40. Two of those engines hit 230,000 miles before they were sold. Current one is hitting 90,000, no issues also.
My cousin had Passat 1.9 130ps (which I think is best PD engine ever made) and sold it with 260,000 miles. Never single issue on engine.
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#3207400 - 12/05/13 02:25 PM Re: Good oil for lightly driven '09 Passat? [Re: edyvw]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1766
Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I already said that Volvo uses A5/B5 (same as in Eastern Europe), some Ford's, very few Opel's (which interestingly in Europe in 2.0T uses 5W40 A3, while in the U.S. uses A5, probably because of application).
Those VW specs that UG_Passat is mentioning are used in very, very good conditions. However, I did not see them using in PD engines even in Germany, because of well know reason.
What you said that few companies are sticking to W40, my point was not in SAE grades, but in HTHS and cst.
Most of European companies require ACEA A3/B3 with HTHS of minimum 3.5cst. Those could be heavy W30 oils or pretty much any W40.


You seemed to have missed my point.

All Fords use A5/B5 except the Ford Ka and Focus RS

That isn't some. Same for Volvo. Though since the involvement of Ford and platfrom sharing it may be all Volvos apart from maybe the original D5 engine. The new 2.0 is now 5 cylinder confusingly.
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#3207479 - 12/05/13 03:24 PM Re: Good oil for lightly driven '09 Passat? [Re: bigjl]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 18023
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: bigjl
It might be simply because diesels are still relatively uncommon in the US?

Yes, at least ones calling for a B spec or something derived from that. Aside from VW/Audi and Mercedes diesels, most call for CJ-4 or previous. That's usually combined with a spec like SM, too, for mixed fleet use. But, you just don't see the general trend of interchangeable use between gassers and diesels like you'd see with European specifications.

For example, GC and M1 0w-40 are first choices that meet the exact specifications of several European gassers and diesels. With North America, the difficulty arrives in that if it's a diesel, it'll call for a heavy CJ-4 HDEO (10w-30 or heavier with HTHS of 3.5 or more) versus the gasoline vehicle calling for an ILSAC rated oil, which is basically a spark only lubricant. Finding a newer gas vehicle here calling for a CJ-4/SM 5w-40 would be just about impossible.
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#3207577 - 12/05/13 04:46 PM Re: Good oil for lightly driven '09 Passat? [Re: bigjl]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 2462
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I already said that Volvo uses A5/B5 (same as in Eastern Europe), some Ford's, very few Opel's (which interestingly in Europe in 2.0T uses 5W40 A3, while in the U.S. uses A5, probably because of application).
Those VW specs that UG_Passat is mentioning are used in very, very good conditions. However, I did not see them using in PD engines even in Germany, because of well know reason.
What you said that few companies are sticking to W40, my point was not in SAE grades, but in HTHS and cst.
Most of European companies require ACEA A3/B3 with HTHS of minimum 3.5cst. Those could be heavy W30 oils or pretty much any W40.


You seemed to have missed my point.

All Fords use A5/B5 except the Ford Ka and Focus RS

That isn't some. Same for Volvo. Though since the involvement of Ford and platfrom sharing it may be all Volvos apart from maybe the original D5 engine. The new 2.0 is now 5 cylinder confusingly.


No I believe you. Since Volvo started to cooperate with Ford, I gave up on them, and stop following what they doing. 960's and 850's are last Volvo's I consider as true Volvo.
I also never been big fan of Ford, although I do have in household in Europe Jaguar S-Type 3.0 V6.
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