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#3128457 - 09/18/13 10:08 AM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
jfking106 Offline


Registered: 02/15/13
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Loc: GA
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Originally Posted By: T4R
No, it won't hurt your vehicle to try Maxlife and its a great oil, but I don't see how it would help with your oil burning issue. I have used it in several vehicles that leaked oil and it worked great, but its designed to help with leaks (seal conditioners) If it were my car, I think I would try a 10w40 (like WM supertech) or maybe even a 5w40 as it would be better for cold winter starts.


Doesnt it "condition" those seals by "destroying" them?

I think that may be why so many dont use High Mileage oils...

Or, just a Group II like Castrol GTX? .. Does that help?


Who told you they destroy seals? I think that myth comes from the fact that high mileage oils are higher in detergents, and it cleaned out some gunk around old, cracked seals that was plugging the cracks. It's not the oils fault, it's a 15 year old seal or gasket that needs to be replaced. High Mileage oils are designed to make old, cracked hard baked seals soft again. In my experience, high mileage oils only work for external leaks (oil pan gaskets, cam and crank seals, etc.) They won't do anything for burning, unless you bump up the viscosity.

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#3128692 - 09/18/13 02:30 PM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: Lubener]
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Sorry, but ML has helped many by cleaning ring packs and thus helping with oil burn. It is one of its premier features.

A terrific product.
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#3128923 - 09/18/13 06:42 PM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: SteveSRT8]
jfking106 Offline


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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Sorry, but ML has helped many by cleaning ring packs and thus helping with oil burn. It is one of its premier features.

A terrific product.


Good oil, no doubt, but like I said, Ive never seen an oil that will free stuck rings.

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#3128965 - 09/18/13 07:28 PM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
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Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Doesnt it "condition" those seals by "destroying" them?

Some HM oils, notably MaxLife and Mobil Super 2000 (up here) are SN/GF-5 oils in the appropriate grade. Considering such certification requires seal compatibility, I can't see them destroying seals. Both products I mentioned are perfectly acceptable for use in a brand new vehicle that requires SN/GF-5 oils.
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#3129226 - 09/19/13 05:39 AM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: jfking106]
SteveSRT8 Offline


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Originally Posted By: jfking106
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Sorry, but ML has helped many by cleaning ring packs and thus helping with oil burn. It is one of its premier features.

A terrific product.


Good oil, no doubt, but like I said, Ive never seen an oil that will free stuck rings.


I have.

I will add my sincere condolences. But I am sure you understand that just because you have not witnessed it personally it could still happen!
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#3129266 - 09/19/13 06:52 AM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: SteveSRT8]
FZ1 Offline


Registered: 02/07/08
Posts: 4192
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: jfking106
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Sorry, but ML has helped many by cleaning ring packs and thus helping with oil burn. It is one of its premier features.

A terrific product.


Good oil, no doubt, but like I said, Ive never seen an oil that will free stuck rings.


I have.

I will add my sincere condolences. But I am sure you understand that just because you have not witnessed it personally it could still happen!
+1. It "happened" when I installed MSHM 5w-30 in my Accord. No more burning.

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#3129450 - 09/19/13 10:25 AM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: SteveSRT8]
jfking106 Offline


Registered: 02/15/13
Posts: 178
Loc: GA
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: jfking106
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Sorry, but ML has helped many by cleaning ring packs and thus helping with oil burn. It is one of its premier features.

A terrific product.


Good oil, no doubt, but like I said, Ive never seen an oil that will free stuck rings.


I have.

I will add my sincere condolences. But I am sure you understand that just because you have not witnessed it personally it could still happen!


Glad it worked for you. Unfortunately, it hasn't for me. It did stop external seal and gasket leaks, though.

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#3129456 - 09/19/13 10:30 AM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: FZ1]
jfking106 Offline


Registered: 02/15/13
Posts: 178
Loc: GA
Originally Posted By: FZ1
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: jfking106
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Sorry, but ML has helped many by cleaning ring packs and thus helping with oil burn. It is one of its premier features.

A terrific product.


Good oil, no doubt, but like I said, Ive never seen an oil that will free stuck rings.


I have.

I will add my sincere condolences. But I am sure you understand that just because you have not witnessed it personally it could still happen!
+1. It "happened" when I installed MSHM 5w-30 in my Accord. No more burning.


Glad it worked. You are aware, though, that most high mileage oils are of higher viscosity than their normal counterparts, right?

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#3129480 - 09/19/13 10:54 AM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: Lubener]
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Not anymore, it's pretty much 50/50. You have to know which ones are "thick" because a lot of HM oils have gone for "thin is in". Maxlife, Castrol and Mobil Super for example.

Defy, M1 HM and Pennzoil are still thick for grade though.
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#3129483 - 09/19/13 10:57 AM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: Lubener]
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I'm a big fan of Maxlife. It doesn't get a lot of play for cleaning around here, but it has as stout a detergent/dispersent add pack as Ultra does at around 2,600 ppm.

That's considerably more than PYB and even many HDEO's. Valvoline just doesn't push that very hard in their marketing like Pennzoil for example tends to do.
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#3129663 - 09/19/13 01:27 PM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: Lubener]
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Loc: Wenatchee, W.A.
I will "Probably" put Valvoline Maxlife 10w-30 in my parents 2001 Jeep Cherokees 125,000 mile 4.0(When it gets to 125,000 which should be in the next week or so). That 4.0 just Loves MaxLife 10w-30. But,...Im Also tempted to install a New rear main seal in that 4.0(JeepOutpost has Crown rear main seals for $8.56 !) and then put a HIGH Quality European Synthetic like Motul 300V 0w-40 or maby LiquiMolys LeichtLauf 0w-40. That would be the Best way to go, I think. Today.


Edited by 84zmyfavorite (09/19/13 01:28 PM)

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#3129687 - 09/19/13 01:55 PM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: 84zmyfavorite]
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Originally Posted By: 84zmyfavorite
That would be the Best way to go, I think. Today.


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#3129702 - 09/19/13 02:19 PM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 2572
Loc: Upper Midwest
No.

Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Doesnt it "condition" those seals by "destroying" them?

I think that may be why so many dont use High Mileage oils...

Or, just a Group II like Castrol GTX? .. Does that help?
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#3187594 - 11/14/13 12:45 PM Re: Should I use Maxlife? [Re: Char Baby]
diver1972 Offline


Registered: 08/11/12
Posts: 143
Loc: US, Georgia
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
...In addition, with vehicles driven more often than a summer car, I'd expect to see results of HM oils much sooner than my particular 4 years. Several OCI(or a years worth) would be normal IMHO!
Thanks for mentioning this. smile

The Camry in the sig block is on its first fill of MaxLife (at least the first in the last 6 years that I've owned it). It's been in there for 10k miles and 9 months. In that time, I've added 5 quarts total as top-up. During the first 3 months, some of that 5 quart loss was due to oil leaking from 2 places (i.e. top end and bottom end). The top end leak was then patched and PCV was prematurely replaced as a proactive measure (i.e. prior valve appeared fully operational). During the next 4 months, some of that 5 quart loss was due to oil leaking from 1 place (i.e. bottom end: crankshaft seal). The bottom end leak was then patched. There have been no externally visible leaks for the last 2 months; however, I'm still observing loss at the rate of approximately 1 quart per 2k miles (extrapolated based on a 1k-mile sample).

While I didn't keep meticulous records of the pre-repair rate of loss for comparison to the post-repair rate of loss, I've concluded that patching those leaks doesn't appear to have helped much at all. confused I assume the current loss to be entirely internal consumption in the absence of any visible external leak.

Informed opinions please: Does anyone think I'd see a faster reduction in loss if I drain and fill it again with the same MaxLife now vs. just continuing to top-up and running the current fill another 4k miles before doing an actual OC with the same MaxLife? smile
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